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Charting a Course for Mindfulness and Ecosystem Harmony
Imagine your favorite shirt could help tackle the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, or the light bulb above you could shine for a century. This episode isn't just about the 'what' of recycling and sustainable living—it's about the 'how' and the profound 'why.' We're weaving together the threads of mental health awareness and the intricate tapestry of environmental sustainability, from the metamorphosis of the fashion industry into a vegan-friendly powerhouse to the commendable yet complex efforts of local recycling policies.
As we unravel the challenges of recycling industrial HEPA filters and debate the merits of bamboo and hemp, our conversation takes a hard look at the environmental impact of our everyday choices. We consider the broader implications of material reuse on industries like mining and logging, and how these can influence biodiversity. But we don't stop at identifying problems; we're also here to discuss solutions, like the potential for a minimalist lifestyle to catalyze change in consumer habits and corporate production strategies, as well as how embracing long-lasting products could lighten our environmental footprint.
To cap it off, we're thrilled to announce our expansion into the visual realm with our first YouTube video launch. It's a step forward in our mission to spread the values of love, peace, veganism, and sustainable living to a wider audience. What we promise is not just an episode, but a journey through the challenges and victories in the pursuit of a healthier planet and a more mindful existence—join us as we chart a course towards a more sustainable tomorrow.
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Speaker 2:Hey everybody, Kenny Cotman Lewis.
Speaker 1:Crawford, and I'm Tom Ramage, the Jersey Guy.
Speaker 2:Yo, what is going on? My peoples? What's going on? How's everybody doing today Good? So I want to give a shout out. It is National Mental Health Awareness Month, so everybody go, make sure everybody's good, make sure you take care of yourself, make sure you check. It's important, got to stay healthy.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Got to stay healthy yeah healthy isn't just about physical health, it's also about your mind.
Speaker 3:Yes, Mental health awareness month, for sure.
Speaker 2:All right, so tonight's show is about Recycling.
Speaker 3:Boring, right, depends on how you look at it. Reuse, recycle no, I thought it would be a good one because we've been doing it for a long time. Right? What recycling? Or the show, just recycling.
Speaker 1:Yeah, doing it for what a long time, right? What recycling or just recycling, yeah, yeah, no, I mean uh, I'm recycling in the 70s I remember when it started, was the 60s started?
Speaker 3:yeah, 70s, no. 70s, 70s, no, no, maybe late 70s, 80s, yeah, really yeah I remember not, it was different, like when recycling was like a new.
Speaker 1:I actually remember as a kid like we were, like we're now recycling things we're like save the when we had to separate the bottles and stuff.
Speaker 3:I remember that being a new thing. You had to separate everything, and that was the 80s. You had to be clean. I was born in 81, so I remember. Now it doesn't even matter, you can just throw it all together and then it just goes through, something I'm sure it separates it and kicks it out to where it needs to go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah it does, because I think it sifts Like some of the stuff goes through. You shred it and it sifts the heavier stuff. That's why a lot of the companies now have switched to the clear. I couldn't think of clear, I don't know how to bring it the clear bottles, because it's harder to recycle the colored ones. Yeah, like the greens and some of the soda bottles and such, they stopped using those and again it's to recycle it into everything. Do you know? I saw a reel where they were taking the plastic bottles and making thread out of the plastic bottles to make clothes.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, they can do so much.
Speaker 4:I was like what it's crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, well, I actually have a company I buy from. I'll give them a little. I guess I'll give them a free shout out. It's Noise. They're a company, they're like a very vegan-friendly company and they use the recycled bottles collected from the ocean and they turn it into insulation for jackets and it's like negative 40 below. It's like 40, negative 40 below. You know, it's a good jacket. That's the one I usually wear, I mean.
Speaker 3:I'm not wearing it oh get out of here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a noise jacket, real good. So they use that. Because that's the thing Not everything is recyclable to be used for the same thing. Thing again. Right, like you know, like sometimes like bottles, they have to you know, turn into that or they can turn them into like pens and stuff like that, but you can't, I don't think they can return like water bottles back into no, they can't right, they can't do that.
Speaker 2:No, I don't think they can.
Speaker 1:They can some plastic is recyclable for like I hear like um that softer plastic like that you'll have, like detergent bottles that can be recycled back into detergent bottles, but most can't right.
Speaker 2:So then, that's why now we really really got to pay attention. Dude, the weather's been changing so crazy. You know climate change is insane. So you know, I know it sounds crazy and sounds a little bit off, but we have to start somewhere. You know, at least with the recycling, that you know we can use all these things. Nothing burning the, the oceans uh, what you said, the name of the, um oh, the great pacific garbage patch.
Speaker 2:Great, oh yeah, amazing isn't it beautiful, like yeah yeah it's heartbreaking every time you see that yeah, you know all the animals that are getting caught up in it. You know they get. You know come ashore that's from us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but you know it was and that that would be there in nature, but it would be like wood like, because it's just the way things float in the ocean and they kind of and that's kind of where they meet but it's like all garbage, right, but if, if, if there wasn't. If there was a world lack of humans, it would just be like logs, Right.
Speaker 3:Right the way it was when the dinosaur here before the humans came. Exactly, yeah, those guys had a long, long rain too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I forgot what the reasoning was for, uh people, for them not being able to go in there to get it. You know should be able to go in there and you start with that stuff and recycle it out of that they do.
Speaker 1:I mean, there is, there is companies that are taking it, but I feel, I feel like it's probably going it's being added faster than it's being taken well, yeah that's that, I think, the problem and they say the part is that I remember them doing an experiment where they took like a water bottle and they just like threw it out to their curb and it like eventually ended in the ocean and the fucking garbage patch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Just from like going into the streams and to like you know, because when stuff goes in the gutter, right, that's just a system to go back into Storm. Because when stuff goes in the gutter, right, that's just a system to go back into Storm drains, aren't? I don't think the water gets recycled on them, it's just storm drains. They go into rivers, it's just to divert the water so like they go back in the rivers and the rivers collect into a bigger river, into a bigger river and into the ocean, yeah, so just all litter just ends up in the fucking ocean. It's crazy.
Speaker 4:It is.
Speaker 1:it's unbelievable if it doesn't like if it's something that can float, which is usually plastic.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's heartbreaking, yeah, it is man well I mean even think about, I mean salt.
Speaker 2:In the winter time they salt and they brine the, the roadways. So now, when the snow melts and all that other stuff, all that stuff is going down into the sewer and it's going out into the into the streams into and the salt content has got to be higher than what it? Should be or what it was, and then, even with that, now you think about it. So you have the little pieces of plastic that now oh, the microplastics Just stay away from bottles if you can.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about bigger than that, because now you're the fish that's eating it. They're saying in the food now.
Speaker 3:I was going to go there with the vegan thing.
Speaker 1:I was like I'll stay away from eating seafood yeah right, they've actually found microfiber in the flesh of it, because, because it's microscopic right it mixes in with the cells and shit. It's fucked up. It's the bloodstream.
Speaker 3:Amazing, unbelievable how how sad it is and, at the same time, how in some way incredible how a fish can adapt and be able to still live, even though it was that was part of it.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean. They eat a lot faster, not that that was any better.
Speaker 2:It was probably way better off not having that at all Right and then you said so, now we eat it. So now we eat it. We're eating the fish, you know and all those things they're saying.
Speaker 3:They're firing it in people's heart valves. Yeah, it's fucked up. I know I'm like what I see a water bottle. I'm not drinking that man, but they say it's from. Also like eating fish. Yeah, the plastic If you eat the fish.
Speaker 1:I, yeah, I'm saying I don't but like, and you know, because it's just the whole. It's fucked up, right, but it's in everything. You know what? I'm saying it's even if I wasn't vegan, knowing what I know we grew up with this from the very beginning. I wouldn't I wouldn't eat anything for any like seafood, even if even if I wasn't vegan I would stay away from seafood.
Speaker 2:I hate seafood and I'm thankful for that, but that's the whole thing, though, bro you, it's not just in the seafood, because it's in the water, right, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's in everything.
Speaker 3:The thing is is that it could be cleaned up, and that's the thing that kills me.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:It's like they could easily have someone or somebody go out there.
Speaker 1:There are people that do it though that go out and clean it, and the problem is there's no money to be made.
Speaker 3:People, are driven by greed Right, but there are good people out there too. No, there are, but that's why there's not as many. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:That's why there's not as many, the odds are a little against us If there's more greedy people, then Right but they're not looking in the right thing to make the money off of it.
Speaker 2:Because if you turn around, like we just said a little while ago, you can turn around and make clothes out of the make thread and make clothes out of the plastic.
Speaker 4:Shoes, make, shoes, make, whatever you know a bunch of stuff out of the plastics, that's right they're not looking at it like that, you know, they rather just let there be, because it probably takes a lot of money to make those things then you have to recite this.
Speaker 3:Probably a whole process that has to go through, I'm sure, when they make that stuff. Not that it's not not knowing that. You knew that already when you went in in the first place.
Speaker 3:If you knew that, then you, that's it. You can't, you have to just uh, um, commit to it and do what you need to do in order to change over. You know what I mean. Some, a lot of companies, have, though, uh, vegan wise, haven't they? The as far as vegan goes, as far as certain things, like they're using different products other than instead of animals. So are there any that have changed over or anything like that? Companies? Yes, because of the vegan movement and all that.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I mean a lot of the designers have stopped using fur Right and they've switched to some of the companies, switched to some of the faux fur or just got rid of in general Right right, yeah no, that's awesome.
Speaker 4:I think.
Speaker 3:I mean, it took them long enough, but at least they finally got there because of you guys. You know that stuff.
Speaker 2:But that's been a long time.
Speaker 3:That's not something that just in the last 10 years? No, but still you know.
Speaker 1:And the thing too, if we're talking about environmental stuff.
Speaker 3:I know I don't want to get too off topic. Right right, I'm not recycling.
Speaker 1:But that's environmental. But a lot of things too is. People will say, oh, you know, the synthetic materials are worse than leather and it's like actually the tanning and all those chemicals is worse than the polyurethane materialsthane.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know you know, yeah, I hear you, it's everything. Materials, you know, it's everything that we do. I mean, oil is in everything. Yeah, you know what I mean. And again, when, if we all just took that extra two minutes to go and recycle it yeah, you know what I mean throw it in that bin I'm not gonna make it like I do it.
Speaker 3:I'm not. Does it really get to where it's supposed to go in the first place?
Speaker 2:Well, but then that's the other part of it too. So then if we had things locally to actually recycle, not just going to take it to the bottle depot and you know what I'm saying and take it in there and then they send it somewhere else to get done, so I'm that could recycle all these bottles and such Dude, I think people would be more apt to do it, to take it there to that spot. You know, Of course I mean, yeah, it's nice to get that five cents back for it, or whatever, but you know still.
Speaker 1:I wonder why not all states do that. They don't do that in Jersey, oh yeah, they don't, they don't.
Speaker 2:No, our recycling is just on the curb.
Speaker 1:They don't, they don't, they don't do is that they don't take recycling on the curb though for New York? Then do they? You have to bring it to.
Speaker 2:Well, I know that they used to yeah.
Speaker 3:They just pick it up from us.
Speaker 2:But you're a PA.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're a PA.
Speaker 1:Right yeah, so I don't remember it being like that in New York but bring the, you know the bottle and shreds it, and then you know they give you the receipt.
Speaker 2:No, I don't think they have the receipt in the supermarket. In the supermarket, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, we have that they definitely they don't have that.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. They don't have that in Jersey.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's not very much. Yeah, when I said the you know the thing that happens.
Speaker 2:So then, by your house. So do you put? You put out the separate bin.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And you said well, that's what you do here In New York, we could take it, and we don't have a separate bin, we have a separate dumpster or different the time to go over there and drop it off to wherever that was supposed to be. And then I live in an apartment complex, so everybody just throws the excess garbage into the recycling dumpster instead of them using it for that. So again, I don't know, I don't even know anymore if it would be.
Speaker 3:I'm thankful for the you know. I think I'm thankful. I look at it this way. I think recycling does work, because I think we're lucky where we are right now If we didn't get those recycling things laws of things that people changed requiring you know the environment and all that and there's still probably a lot to do, then think about it. What happens if they didn't do that?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, how much worse it would have been if people didn't push back and they just let them do whatever they want. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, well, that's how it was back in the day.
Speaker 2:You know, because, like you said, we would recycle back in the city. So, us being from from the city, I didn't eventually right, but we had to separate it.
Speaker 3:Like thomas saying, yeah, we had to separate it.
Speaker 2:Put the cans in the papers and this glass plastic. The apartments in brooklyn weren't big enough for us to have all the room for the garbage cans.
Speaker 3:I know, I know I mean so it was. I used to put that garbage out man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it was just. It just sucked and then it was just a hassle to recycle. When I think in bigger cities, because the apartments are so small, you know there's no place in the building.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, for you to drop your stuff off, and people are just too lazy to bring it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you already had a garbage bin.
Speaker 2:Right Now we're talking about the recycling, yeah, and then in the bigger buildings you had the garbage chute. So you know, you just walk out like they would.
Speaker 4:I mean the building's old as fuck.
Speaker 1:That's the problem. The building's infrastructure was never set up Right not for recycling.
Speaker 2:Right, so that then if you have one for paper, then they'd be like oh okay, cool, throw the paper in there, whatever. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:They could just do at some point. Well, eventually.
Speaker 2:You would hope, I would hope.
Speaker 3:that's where they would get with that, versus the other way it could go.
Speaker 2:Right, but I'm saying that you can't recycle, I mean, you can't set that up in an old building. No, no, no, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying, yeah, absolutely, I would build a new facility right. You know, just level it and start from scratch. Yeah right and just make it the way it should be. Don't try to fix something else. Just start right from the beginning.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it'll be cool. I mean, like I said, just to see all the different things that they could do. Bums, bums for ages. They take the paper, the newspapers, and that was their installation during the wintertime.
Speaker 4:I can't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4:But again they recycled the paper.
Speaker 1:See, see, there you go, just saying. Just saying. You know. What my problem is with recycling, though, is that they put they when. When they invented recycling, they put the companies, put it on the consumer, and it's not the you know what I mean like. So it's like oh, we're going to use plastic, you guys got to recycle it, instead of the company saying you know, we're going to try to make it out of biodegradable material, that's not bad for the environment, that you don't need to recycle it, it's just biodegradable. You know what I mean? It can be composted.
Speaker 1:You know, something like that. You know what I mean. But, yeah, no again. I mean that is. I think that is better than recycling. If they could make things out of compostable material, I agree with you, but it would still be recycling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The only problem is it would be natural is is it would have an expiration date though, because if it's a bioplastic, like it would have, it would go bad eventually it would break down right so that would be the only problem, like like those.
Speaker 3:But they say the ones that they've been making have been lasting much longer than usual. They would say, hey, listen, you got to use this by whatever.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I yeah, but I think it would be. Holding a liquid is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:So it would have to be like that's the only problem.
Speaker 1:I don't know if they can make it a liquid containing for a wrap.
Speaker 2:I know they make those paper you ever see the paper. They got the stores now.
Speaker 1:No, no, I'm talking about the box, the box of water. You ever see it? No boxes of water. Oh yeah, yeah, there's a company that makes you know.
Speaker 4:Remember how they used to make cartons of milk. You know like yeah, I remember, like you who, or whatever, or you who?
Speaker 1:well, there's a chocolate milk water in that sells water supposed to be more of a mental friendly, but I don't think it could be recyclable because it's got the wax in it here.
Speaker 3:I don't know, I think it still can, because I think it's more paper than it is wax.
Speaker 4:Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, because think of it, it's not that thick. It's a layer of wax for sure, but you can't really. I mean you know it's there but you got more paper than you do with that. I think it would break it down Unless it. I think wax is a natural thing I was just going to say can't wax be broken down?
Speaker 1:even though, yeah, yeah, yeah you know, I just think it would have to be mixed with probably other things in the compost. I would get more technical because, it would just have to be like a big lump of wax when I worked at the yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I worked at an ashram. I won't say the name of it, but I did work at one. They recycled everything oh seriously they did they have their own compost, um, uh, yard, yeah, and there was a lot of it. And then there was someone there who just kept stirring it and moving it and it was a lot of it all the time yeah, right, super hot, that's a good compost.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a good yeah and we used it for every plant bed yeah yeah, whatever we were planting, uh, um, this guy, uh that I work with, really nice guy, he was into it, definitely into his his, you know, yogi self what he was trying to figure out his life.
Speaker 3:Hopefully he did. That was a pretty cool time to do that and work at the ashram, because it was nice to see how they thought about things and did things. Not the. Because it was nice to see how they thought about things and did things. Not not the religious one I'm just talking about, just like the. You know another way. You know the food goes here like this goes here you know and they do it.
Speaker 2:You know it's very simple. Yeah, no complication well, what's wrong with that?
Speaker 1:no, no, nothing's wrong with that, nothing yeah yeah, I'm with you but you see, some of the companies do stuff. Now Some companies will have, I think, what did I say? Maybe Chipotle or something like that, I don't know what. The bowl.
Speaker 2:They got the bowl.
Speaker 1:No, they got three garbages oh.
Speaker 4:Chipotle has it. Where was that the other day?
Speaker 2:That has it, Adams the grocery store has it over here.
Speaker 4:They'll have like three garbage bins.
Speaker 1:One's like recycling compostable, and they won't put the word garbage though. Right the guilt is right Land.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, it says it'll say you know plastic?
Speaker 1:It'll say like recycling, like plastic and glass.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And it'll say like compost and then just as landfill right yeah, yeah, they do that.
Speaker 2:And the subways, the subways, they have that too. They have the three okay, so it's a metro north and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:They have the the different more in cities and stuff like that, yeah yeah, but uh.
Speaker 2:So I was trying to figure out thinking in my own head, because I'm a genius in my you know my own, yeah yeah, so what the process was for recycling, like how much chemical they put into the plastic when they're breaking it down. And, according to what I just looked up on, there's this genius called Google. Whoa man, yeah, google. It doesn't sound like there's anything added to the plastic to break it down, it's just like melting it.
Speaker 4:So then the thing is now you're burning, so now you got to filter the air.
Speaker 2:Yep, you know what I mean, because I'm sure so they have to use some type of filter, right?
Speaker 3:So then they got to use filter on top of filter and that's where the money comes in.
Speaker 2:You know why?
Speaker 3:It's worth doing that. What do you do with the filters?
Speaker 2:because then you have to break the filters down and clean the filters. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Like it's, so can you do it in a way where, if you broke them down to the end, you can reuse them again and a new the filters.
Speaker 4:Uh, to to make new filters oh, I'm sure, because I mean I mean, that's what I'm saying like.
Speaker 3:So, like for me, figure out a way to do that right and say, all right, we're not going to waste it, we're going to take it and it's going to be part of what we make the new one out of Right.
Speaker 2:So the plastics I use on my machine.
Speaker 3:And I don't know if they can do that.
Speaker 2:Well, the plastics, the filters I use on my machine, they are plastic, you know what I mean. And the HEPA filters and stuff like that, you know they're just super thin pieces of plastic. So I'm gonna assume guess, because I didn't look it up yet that you know, I'm sure they could recycle it, you know, clean it up and whatnot. Well, it's usually in cardboard too, yeah, and then just, you know, power wash it or whatever, get most of it out, right, right, right the process. Same thing with glass, is it?
Speaker 2:a heavy duty one yeah yeah, yeah, yeah the filters I have yeah, yeah, they are.
Speaker 3:It's the one that you need to clean and put back yeah, I can do it.
Speaker 2:I'm really not supposed to, because if we hit it with the air, with the, if we hit it with the, are they made of paper too, or is it plastic?
Speaker 1:there are some, so what I?
Speaker 2:because I we use it for talcum powder yeah, so that then the talcum powder, because it's so fine it goes through everything else, right. So I literally have two, four, six. I have about 10 filters after all is said and done. So from when we're using the talcum powder to it cleaning the air in the warehouse, there's about 10 filters. Holy shit. It doesn't matter because we still get the talcum powder in the air and it's not where anybody's going to be sick or whatever, if you didn't have it.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, no, no, it's ugly. When I didn't turn the machine on, when I didn't turn the filters on, I was like trying to hit the button and whatnot, but it's just again. Everything we use is plastic. We have to find a way that's going to be better for all of us just to recycle?
Speaker 3:It doesn't mean going back and cutting trees down again.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no. I'm just saying just as far as recycling, we already have enough of another material that we need to figure out how we're going to use it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I'm saying we got to figure out, how can we use this?
Speaker 1:thing, this stuff to our benefit. That's the thing, too, bamboo is a good reusable.
Speaker 3:They say bamboo is amazing Right For most anything.
Speaker 1:It grows so fast Anywhere I know I love bamboo it can grow anywhere.
Speaker 2:So now here's the question, though Like a weed, like a weed. So now bamboo, you guys are sick. I'm hanging out with you guys, so you're looking at bamboo, bamboo and we're talking. It's a fucking term. You guys are sick, right? I'm fucking hanging out with you guys, no? So you're looking at bamboo Bamboo and we're looking at hemp Both of these plants Hemp is fantastic. Both of these plants can be used for clothes, paper For paper.
Speaker 1:And making rope out of hemp forever. Yeah, everything.
Speaker 2:It's almost as well, not almost strong as steel, when it's woven the right way and such. So then, how do you recycle that? What would be the shelf life on that?
Speaker 3:It would last a very long time. What kind of material? So I'm saying with clothes.
Speaker 2:With the hemp and stuff. Yeah with the hemp, yeah, it breaks down. I'm sure it will.
Speaker 1:But like anything else think of what you did.
Speaker 3:You just made something out of something that was sitting in an ocean somewhere.
Speaker 1:So here's the thing.
Speaker 3:And you took it out of that and you said, hey, I was able to wear this shirt because of whatever they described it.
Speaker 1:The thing is too when you have the clothes, it doesn't break down because you wash it, it's dry. But if it were to be shredded and put in a compost heap, it's wet, it's warm it starts breaking down. So, like you know what I mean, it won't take extra for it to break, because it's made out of like an organic material yes, exactly. But the only reason it doesn't do that when you have it is because it's dry.
Speaker 3:It's just amazing how they can.
Speaker 1:that's what I'm saying, Because when they compost things, they do shred them, because the problem is, if things are too big, then they won't break down. They need to be shredded, and then, once everything's in the compost, everything starts getting wet and that actually helps break it down better.
Speaker 3:Let me read something to you Environmental protections, the need for mining, quarrying or logging, which any of the other environmental disruptive activities. By this reusing materials, we decrease the destruction of habitats and preserve biodiversity. Right, right, I have excuse me.
Speaker 2:I apologize I'm really sorry for it, because you can't see blind is a freaking.
Speaker 3:Make it bigger, it bigger.
Speaker 2:Make it bigger. Make it bigger. I will, no, but that's again. No matter what we do, how we do, there's some way that somebody's going to find that it's not enough.
Speaker 3:If that makes any sense, it's just a matter of just keep plugging away.
Speaker 1:It's okay, though, if it's not enough.
Speaker 3:Because you know what I say. If you stop, then you got nobody else to blame yourself.
Speaker 1:The person who thinks it's not enough. What do you mean? We're not doing good enough. Here we go.
Speaker 2:We have electric cars. Their biggest argument with electric cars, and not to get away from the combustion engine, is because what it takes to make the batteries what it takes, to make the batteries what it takes to charge the battery, what it takes to still using all these other things that you said were bad in the combustion engine.
Speaker 1:They're doing it on the power grid.
Speaker 2:And so then now how?
Speaker 1:do you make up for it? Well, we got to keep improving, right, but just to make the batteries, you know.
Speaker 2:We're not even talking about how to charge them, because to charge them is easy. You turn around, you put up a windmill, you put up a solar panel, that's how you charge it.
Speaker 3:But the process to make the batteries but the process to make the battery they get, they mine it from different countries, right, but eventually I think there's they're going to mine out of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the problem, Right so then it's a matter of it's not a renewable.
Speaker 3:we need a renewable, but you made from it yeah, that's the problem Find out from the crap that you used to make it to deplete the freaking planet and say you know what I'm going to take it. I'm going to reuse it now for the benefit of the planet, right To make it better.
Speaker 1:I never read why, but lithium isn't reusable.
Speaker 3:Right and the fires from them are ridiculous.
Speaker 1:Right, I think it might have something to do with that, maybe I don't know. So, like I just said, you can't hold a charge, so then now what's better?
Speaker 2:Is it better to just turn around and stay doing? Listen to how I'm saying this, not so much just about all the plastic stuff but just about a bunch of the other things. So is it better to just turn around and stay using three quarters of the shit that we're using?
Speaker 4:It's just going to get better man and go to recycle what.
Speaker 2:Because there's so many things that we're mining, that we're using, that can't be recycled.
Speaker 3:I think they already know, I think they already are aware of the fact that they're going to run out of it and they're already on the lookout to figure out how it's gonna happen see, that's the problem, we that we're gonna run out of oil eventually.
Speaker 1:So like, okay, we'll use lithium batteries. Oh, we're gonna run a fucking lithium batteries at some point.
Speaker 3:What the fuck are we gonna?
Speaker 2:do leg power? Yeah, let's figure out a way to be smart and do the right.
Speaker 3:I mean, I don't know what that is, but it's got to be. If you could do all this other stuff, why can't't you do that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's what Tom said before, because now it's money.
Speaker 1:That's why we need aliens. Wow, really, because they're propulsion technology. Wow.
Speaker 2:That's the next show, bro, what's his name? That's the next episode, the fucking guy.
Speaker 1:You know what's his name the famous guy who said he worked Area 51.
Speaker 4:I can't think of.
Speaker 1:It looks like from his Revenge of the Nurse, but anyway, he said there was two things, and they put them next to each other and the two rods or something. Remember we?
Speaker 4:made it sexual and no joke, they put them next to each other and it powered up but when they were separated it wasn't powered.
Speaker 1:Like what the fuck is that? Can we replicate that?
Speaker 2:but it's like magnets, it's forever energy it never runs out.
Speaker 4:They got these.
Speaker 2:UFOs they say that they dug up from thousands of years ago and they still power up. Oh yeah, no, no, it's more than magnets, but it works the same, right, I'm saying but listen, they're figuring out a lot of ways now, but I'm saying we need some kind and stay in place and move side to side.
Speaker 3:They're working with some crazy shit now. So the power grid is, I think, let's just make sure we go in the right direction and not in the wrong one.
Speaker 1:I think we're jumping into cars quicker than we should and we should be focusing more on the power grid and then the cars, because, like you said, I agree Because the power grid is where Needs to be updated. Yeah, it's totally uh, yeah, but I'm saying like, oh, most is most is combustible energy, most is just a coal. Why do we still have wires on the top of the road? Oh, I know, you know what why are we doing? It's funny, I have I why can't they go underground?
Speaker 3:my?
Speaker 1:town has their own electric company, butler electric right, and they have a little facebook page. It's funny and they're like I remember every time there's like some kind of underground wire problem and they show what a disaster it is. They're like this is why we don't do it on the ground, yeah, yeah because, because when there's flooding and one goes bad, they gotta dig the whole fucking road up.
Speaker 2:But it's the same thing with water you still gotta dig up a whole pipe, I think if you exactly.
Speaker 3:It's the same, goddamn thing.
Speaker 1:If you build a proper infrastructure for underground wiring, it works out. But where you have what people think of sewers like areas you can walk underground and repair the lines Right.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what's in New York City. That's what it looks like underground. Yeah, that's what the manhole covers do. But in suburban neighborhoods it's too big, not so much, yeah, it's too hard.
Speaker 1:You know what's cool what they did, though if you ever I don't know if you're ever going to be in south orange, or, but like that town is they? I don't know if that's the town that thomas addison lived in, so I don't know if that they designed it, the power grid, differently in that town, because it was a earlier power grid. But the? Um, the utility poles go behind the houses, in between the houses uh-huh, you and I talked about this once before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I totally forgot about that instead of it being on the road, it goes. You know. It goes in between the homes, in the backyards. Okay, so it's not an obstruction, it's not an obstruction, it's not ice, but it's an ice. Or when you go in your backyard.
Speaker 2:It's a pole who gives a shit. Well, but then even still, because Tesla's thing was that there was no wires. But there's like, yeah, Tesla his whole thing was that there was no wires. Those two battled all the time.
Speaker 1:I watched a video and they say while the tesla coil did work, they said, like, for the infrastructure we have now, it would never work well, but again it never took off because they shut them down.
Speaker 2:I'm sure that now you know, 100 years later, that it probably would have been something worthwhile we definitely need to go to the next, the next level, but it has to be safe.
Speaker 3:It can't be something, uh, that could just, oh, yeah, definitely like yeah, we don't want to have a power plant, you know, have a nuclear plant in our, but it has to be safe. It can't be something that could just-.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, definitely Like. Yeah, we don't want to have a power plant, you know have a nuclear plant in our basements and shit, and you know having to keep the nuclear coils in the basement to power the house.
Speaker 3:You know we'll heat it up and whatnot, or just an energy you can tap into Right.
Speaker 2:But what is it? In Greenland, they live off of thermal energy.
Speaker 3:You can build houses like that here in the united states, but again, and but not thermal, but um, but they, they get the, the air conditioning and heat from under the ground there you go. So that then, and it's cool air coming from that bro but people don't want to pay for that.
Speaker 2:You know, listen there is I get it. There's a lot of different things you can do the, the one of the first light bulbs, has been burning in a firehouse in New York City for, like the last hundred years.
Speaker 1:I think we talked about this. We mentioned it before. Yeah, because it was made.
Speaker 2:Right, so then there's a way to make these things where we don't have to keep, so we wouldn't have as much recycling.
Speaker 1:That's fucking capitalism Right. So they're disposable instead of permanent.
Speaker 3:Right, capitalism, right, so that they can make them, so they're disposable instead of permanent right.
Speaker 1:But if they don't think about the planet and then all that shit, you gotta throw it out. And then against that where they should make things purposely disposable right, for that's my thing. It should be you should say all light bulbs have to be made permanent. You know, if they go out that's because it's effective or something like that.
Speaker 3:right, send it back to where you got it from, or bring it back to where you got it from and get a new one, and it should be permanent, but it's going to be now a thing, but we won't be around for that, you and I, and they're not going to do that, bro, we'll be way super old.
Speaker 2:They're not going to do anything like that.
Speaker 1:And you know LED is getting there because now the whole fucking light fixture. But is that creating waste too? The whole light fixture is the bulb. Like you can't replace the bulb.
Speaker 3:The whole idea is to do less. Right Is to get more out of less so what do you? Mean Get more out of less.
Speaker 2:And that's what we're saying should be with the recycling.
Speaker 1:That's why there are people who are.
Speaker 1:It's almost treated like veganism in a way where it's like a way of life. But there's people who take on well, actually Suzanne talked about this 100% Minimalism, right right, and they say if people practice more minimalism, that will naturally get away from that, because companies just kind of go where the company, where the consumer, you know, wants and you know it's kind of like that. But more people have to take on minimalism and not buy, you know, extra and excess, which is, you know, people, we all have our hobbies and stuff.
Speaker 2:People who are?
Speaker 1:minimalist like I don't mean to be quick like, like, I like there was a like these. Uh, they used to be they kind of of retired as, like that vegan couple. They were like a YouTube channel but they retired their social media. But anyway, they, they like like always talking about minimalism and they have like four shirts. That's all they have.
Speaker 3:Like four shirts and like four pairs of pants. Can you have that many sneakers, kenny? Because they're like oh, we're minimalists, you know what I mean, like they took it, have. They took it so I mean I used to.
Speaker 1:They had a podcast too. I listened to their podcast for a while too, and they like they, like they said they knew, like they took their minimalism to like a serious level when they, when they uh we should do one on that they want the wedding rings anymore. And they, they, they got rid of their wedding rings oh yeah, we're married to one of my house.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, we don't need some kind of thing on our finger to say that we are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she'd be like you're getting a tattoo, motherfucker, like on your forehead Right.
Speaker 1:I don't be allowed to get the ring tattooed on them, yeah, and that wouldn't work, so I was going to say you said it faggot, you took away my shit.
Speaker 2:But the sneakers I'm a little bit of a. They have. What did shit? I just lost the word. They recycle materials to make sneakers, so you can get a pair of Uptown.
Speaker 3:Why not F-Force ones? Whatever that's awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm just saying Like, you know, so that then I wouldn't have to live with just fucking four pairs of sneakers.
Speaker 3:That's great, though, that they can do that, though, but that's you know, and the better thing is probably that hopefully, they're able to recycle those again and necessary to make new ones.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, and I said most of my sneakers are the um they do that I don't have too many um, I don't even think I have any, actually I'm thinking about it any leather sneakers. I don't even have a pair of air force ones um uptowns I have all of mine are material except for this man. Yeah, I hadn't had the converse the converse a canvas, these Converse a canvas, these are suede Tailors. These are suede ones, though these are suede, but anyways, yeah, so even for sneakers you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:I like Pro Kids man. I was a big Pro Kids man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got a pair of those too, but the canvas. I got Converse too, though I like them, but they're the leather, so we're thinking that they probably can recycle stuff and make those sneakers listen, bro. I I don't know if they do, or not, but that would be cool, I'm you know, cotton is a renewable material.
Speaker 3:It's a plant.
Speaker 1:Yep, you know exactly it's we've been using it for I don't even know how long? You know years and years and years, it's good material. We most our clothes are made out of it I mean jeans are like the, the testament of how durable cotton is you? Know because think about jeans. Jeans are always considered like work pants.
Speaker 2:Right, so now we talk about recycling. Denim, maybe, but now you talk about the recycling. How many of us really either take the clothes to the thrift stores or to any place or whatever clothing company, so that then they could recycle our clothes? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, maybe that's something we're gonna need to that's another something I know a lot of most people do thrift stores. You know, yeah, I know, yeah, like my youngest does that shit. Yeah, look what I got. I'm like, oh, that's the shit we have in 1970. Like, what are you doing? She's like, oh, it's so cute, like but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, no, I'm just saying you know the things that we can do, should do for towards the recycling. It has to involve everything, it has to literally be everything. It can't just be just the plastic.
Speaker 3:Well, it's got to be the majority, I'm saying the majority of the planet's got to be involved in doing it.
Speaker 2:Right Everybody's. We all want to have to do it Right. It right everybody's. But in we all want to have to do it right or just just want to do at least three quarters some of it, because it's just there's just too much shit all over the place. You know everywhere you go. I remember in the 70s in the five boroughs all over new york city there was garbage everywhere. They cleaned it all up. Looks so nice and pretty. So obviously they. There's the means, there's a way for people to be able to.
Speaker 3:They did it. There was clean times growing up there too, though. I mean, I know what you're saying, but there were also times where they were doing the streets and doing the way they.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, no, no, no, they were. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3:Manhattan especially, was bad.
Speaker 2:That's what on the sidewalk, wherever you went yup, and there's human race has the means to do it. Now it's different.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, it's super different you would hope so anyway we have our some of the people in our infrastructure companies, agencies. They can do it. They can actually make this shit happen. They can recycle things, you know, but nobody's pushing for them to do it all of the time. You know, people are only going for the big things, so they'll stop. Oh no, we got to close down the nuclear power plant, you know. Oh no, you know, we got to pick up these plastics over here, but nobody's going for the big things. That is going to matter.
Speaker 4:Right, you know.
Speaker 2:I applaud. You know, say like Elon Musk, he's sending stuff out into space, he does all these things. But what about to help recycle things, help get that ball rolling? You know what's the name Amazon Bezos. Bezos does a lot of things to, you know, towards, you know to help out the communities and things like that Not everything, I'm not you know co-signing his crazy either. Communities and things like that Not everything, I'm not like you know cosigning his crazy either, but I'm just you know that's something that we need. They need to start pushing towards, because we are bro, this fucking world is going downhill. You know, I'm not saying not anything else.
Speaker 3:They're just running at us. It's just gotta be better.
Speaker 2:There's nothing they be better people. Yeah, well, they got to be better. You know, we we have, we don't have the same things that we used to.
Speaker 1:You know, the thing is, we can't build out, we just need more renewable resources. Right, and I'm sure the problem is that's the crazy thing it's getting everybody to convert over to.
Speaker 4:It's got to be done slowly.
Speaker 3:I'm sure it's got to be eased into and then, like you know it's, and then once everybody gets the rhythm and it'll just take off and do its thing. I'm sure it would need to be like that, otherwise if you try to shove it down someone's throat, it's not going to really work the way you want it to.
Speaker 2:So now would you consider this being shoved down people's throats Just right away, off the bat?
Speaker 3:it's going to be this and you've got to adapt like the next. You have to this time and then, when it's going to happen, boom. Kind of thing Do you have till this time? And then, when it's going to happen, boom kind of thing, but we've been doing it for years.
Speaker 2:You already said that We've been doing it since the 70s recycling and it still hasn't taken off to where it should be for now.
Speaker 3:Well, I would say I'm sure we were recycling more glass and paper back than we were in the plastic. I think 80s, 90s was more plastic, honestly.
Speaker 2:But again, still, the whole idea of recycling earth day, the oldest stuff has been for the longest and nobody. It's only like for that one day or for that week, that's like, oh, earth day, recycle everything. Nobody's doing it consistently because you know, whatever agencies in all of our towns I don't know, you know, it's just not, they're not. Then I don't even believe that they're actually taking and recycling it. You know, for most of the shit.
Speaker 3:Well, that's, that's my problem too.
Speaker 1:It's like, yeah, well, there is a real problem is not everything is recyclable, right exactly so even all the plastics we throw out a lot of that plastic we throw out isn't recyclable and it goes nowhere right. The stuff you put in recycling, as we mean the stuff you throw out in recycling. That's what I mean. When you say it's rotten, you mean nothing. You're thinking oh yeah.
Speaker 3:So I always get aggravated when I recycle my stuff, but the plastics only because I know tin cans, any cans, or anything like that paper. You know what I mean. That kind of stuff, I know glass, that kind of stuff is going to be recyclable Easier than the plastic and that's the problem. They need to figure that out.
Speaker 1:They need to figure that out. They need to figure that out. Plastic is a main problem. You know what? The problem? I heard? Glass. The biggest problem with glass is it cuts you. No, well, of course, just saying anyway, uh, no, um, is that it takes a lot of energy to heat it up so to reuse it. It's glass is renewable, but it requires a lot of energy to heat up, to reuse, because most now, if they do, if they could do more of like reusing reusing the bottles for like, where they go to a bottle cleaning center, that's the. That's the best way to recycle bottles is to have glass bottles for like where they go to a bottle cleaning center. That's the. That's the best way to recycle bottles is to have glass bottles that, like, you know, and if they break, then they get sent out to be, you know right, you know recycled into more glass again.
Speaker 3:Well, you can also get those plastic most plastic bottles that are. You know what is it? Epa free?
Speaker 4:and all that. Yeah, what is it? Epa-free, and all that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, we have them here. I have them in my house, and that's for the drink water out of.
Speaker 1:Oh no, but I was thinking. Companies go back to glass, say one of the soda companies like Coke or whatever right. Right, they go and they say, all right, we're going to start this new program at the grocery stores and you bring back your Coke bottles, but intact, they got to be intact and they go in and then they get sent back to coke or into a bottle cleaning center and then they they reuse them again, right, and then they just right, yeah, like the milkman coming, yeah, yeah I remember that same thing.
Speaker 1:The only difference is I remember that the only thing that you would recycle is the, you know, the caps, the caps, right.
Speaker 2:So now you can recycle plastic eight to 10 times. That's it.
Speaker 3:After that, then it's just there. But there's certain plastic you can't even do anything with, like you can't even mix, you know, like you can't even mix. Well, that's why there's a number on plastics.
Speaker 1:There's a number of recycling symbols, say one, two, three four, right, which already the shit we have, doesn't get recycled.
Speaker 3:I wonder if that's like when you that's what I'm talking about when you re-recoil.
Speaker 1:How many times did you say Was it eight?
Speaker 4:How many times Eight? So?
Speaker 1:maybe one is the last time.
Speaker 2:And then it starts at eight, and then seven, six, seven, well, but then it is. The grade of plastic, I think yeah, you're right so then now, how many times when you recycle it, that eight or ten times? What do you do with it?
Speaker 3:after well, we talked about the clothes and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:If we did more of that, well, right, if we did more of that, then it'd probably be more than that, and then tin like aluminum and stuff like that unlimited right, and I don't think plastics are necessarily evil, it's just the single use.
Speaker 1:There was no thought in the process of hey, we can invent this great material we have plastic on the base of this lamp, even though it's a metal lamp, but you know what I'm saying. Or like this sign here, the on-air sign. It's made of acrylic plastic, that's a permanent plastic, but it's like oh, a fork or a knife, right, one use a straw, it's gonna get one use right and that kind of stuff thousands of years to fucking break down.
Speaker 3:Those things should be biodegradable for 10 seconds it's crazy. The utensils should be biodegradable because they are more, more frequently.
Speaker 1:Well, now there've been, there's been a lot of them. Uh, I, we buy them. I get the biodegradable ones are great yeah, you know that and they're you know, except you can't compost them at home. That's another.
Speaker 4:Uh, you know, I tried you have to be a commercial compost.
Speaker 1:I think we talked about this before too. It needs to be in a commercial compost because they're hot and they're like, like, like we talked about the ashram, how they had that that you could probably put those spoons and forks in their compost because it's hot. But at home you need to be like Right, I got you. It needs to be big, and a lot of stuff's got to be added in all the time.
Speaker 3:Well, hopefully they get better at them where it doesn't need to be where it breaks down a little bit easier and lasts a lot longer.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, you know what For anybody who's watching Commercial compost. They're good yeah no, so I'm saying so. You know anybody listening watching? Uh, you go to the epagov and they'll tell you everything you need to know about the recycling. Any other questions like that? That's why I was getting other much some of my other info just now you know and, um, you know, just everybody try to do the right thing.
Speaker 2:You know, I know I say that all the time. I not I'd be lying to you if I said you know, like, oh my God, I do this, and now you know I'm that tree hugger or whatever you want to call it, not a vegan by no means Don't be like those people in Florida that were caught on camera leaving away and he was dumping their garbage off the side of the boat. Oh yeah, no, no, no, I'm not like that either. You know, I kind of like that.
Speaker 3:No, I'm not saying you're like that, Not you being like that. I'm saying people in general should you know, don't be like that.
Speaker 2:Just try to be a good person. You know what I'm saying. Be a good human. You know what I mean? Yeah of Okay. Well, I want to thank you guys for listening. Appreciate every single one of you guys that you know listening. Catch, keep up with us. We're going to start trying to do this video thing too for. Youtube. We'll see how this works.
Speaker 1:This is our first time. You know what? Because?
Speaker 2:this is groovy, so hopefully this first video.
Speaker 1:Hopefully it makes it up on YouTube.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it should. Well, that's why.
Speaker 1:If it's, you know we gotta. It was the first time To see other videos.
Speaker 3:See how it goes. Yeah, might not.
Speaker 2:So thank y'all for listening. Everybody be safe out there. Love peace and hair grease. Live long and prosper and go vegan.
Speaker 4:Hello.
