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The Buzz on Bee Preservation and the Sweet Harmony of Sports Fandom
Ever wondered about the secret lives of bees and why some choose not to indulge in the sweetness of their labor? Join us on a journey through the buzzing ecosystem where we respect the industriousness of bees by forgoing honey, and delve into their indispensable role in pollination. You'll gain a deeper understanding of why these tiny creatures are crucial to our survival and how our plant-based choices reflect a commitment to the environment.
In a twist that takes us from the flora to the field, we unravel the complexities of nature's most fascinating architects - the ants. Weave through the organized chaos of their colonies and juxtapose it with the harmonious existence of various bee species. No need for a sting operation here; we'll clarify the gentle nature of honeybees and their not-so-similar cousins, the wasps. Plus, we're joined by a beekeeper whose tenderness with hives is nothing short of inspiring, teaching us valuable lessons in respecting all life forms.
Capping off the episode, we shift from the macrocosm of the natural world to the microcosm of fan culture. From standing with the New York Rangers to playful jibes at the Jets, we share our unabashed loyalty and lively debates for our home teams. Our sign-off is a cultural melting pot, offering well-wishes, laughter, and even a Vulcan salute for the sci-fi enthusiasts among us. So whether you're a conservationist, vegan, or sports aficionado, there's a seat at our table in this celebration of diversity.
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Speaker 2:Hey everybody, kenny Cotman Lewis.
Speaker 1:Crawford, and I'm Tom Ramage, the Jersey Guy. Hello, what's up? What's up? What's up, what's going on, man? How you doing, how you doing, how you doing.
Speaker 3:You good, my boy, yeah, I'm good. Everybody chilling, yeah. So how are you guys doing otherwise? You guys?
Speaker 4:good yeah, bro, I'm glad.
Speaker 2:I got that out of the way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, let's get on with the podcast. So, anyway, I thought this would be a good one, because bees are important. I think we're just starting to really pay attention to that. I think that's part of not only is that something that everybody's starting to get on the bandwagon a little bit about, but the vegans have been way ahead of the curve before anybody else pretty much so, yeah, so our episode is about bees, bees, bees.
Speaker 1:This episode will be the bees' knees, I know. Womp womp, womp.
Speaker 2:No, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, you know, because of the honey and all that, yeah well as vegans, we don't eat honey and I know that's one of the things that people go like. That's extreme, but, like you know, it falls under the same principle. We just don't believe in taking things from animals that they made for themselves, and I get it.
Speaker 3:I did, yeah, I mean, that's the principle. Me and him had this discussion. They make the food for themselves, exactly.
Speaker 2:Really Understood. I thought that honey was one of those things, almost like, like I said, like on a plant level.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, it's well not to gross you out, but like it's, technically it is pollen, but it digests in their stomach and then they vomit it out and it becomes honey Right, right.
Speaker 2:Okay, how is that?
Speaker 1:But it digests in their stomach and then they vomit it out and it becomes honey, right, right, okay, how is that? But it is so I don't have to witness it, I'm good. I mean, if you want to get technical, I mean the ingredients are made from plants but it's still a byproduct, right, right.
Speaker 2:But I mean like yeah, but I thought that that was a like I said, it's like the same way, it's like saying, you know, plants, cow's plant-based you.
Speaker 1:It's made out of grass because they eat the grass and they make. No, I'm making it up.
Speaker 3:Well, it's grass-fed. So that's what they say. I know, I know.
Speaker 2:But, not to get off on the topic no no, I thought that honey was the same idea as a plant-based, if you will be something that we would use for us. So then, what do bees do with the honey, like so?
Speaker 1:they make the honey and they eat it. It's food storage, right. So that then?
Speaker 2:I don't know, that's crazy. Like I thought that that was something that for.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that's the one way as far as vegans are concerned, that's you know, but I'm sure they're on board with everything else as far as not using pesticides, killing them, making sure that you have like certain things in your grass and you know people are paying more attention to that with dandelions and certain things so you're not just cutting it, mowing down, like you know that is helpful for these bees, you know do that exactly that's part of that process, right and also you know and that's the thing for um, they say for gardens.
Speaker 1:A lot of people don't make that mistake is they say in your garden you should plant some flowers, so it attracts the bees because they need to pollinate the flowers that you have for your vegetable plants. But like they're smaller flowers, they might not attract the bees as quickly as, like you know, some other big flowers and stuff like that. So the flowers draw that bit and they go over there go.
Speaker 1:There's other flowers here. I didn't see them but boom, boom you know, that's the whole process because there's some flowers will attract bees better than the flowers of an eggplant plant.
Speaker 1:You know that because, because that's what you know, that's how all you know some people don't know, but you know that's how vegetables are made you know, anybody listen is that all plants produce a flower, but certain flowers of certain plants, like, say, an eggplant or a tomato, when they pollinate it, because the bee needs to go in there and pollinate the plant and then that pollination process causes a fruit to grow. So without the bees we'll never have fruit. By the way, We'll never have fruit or certain vegetables. We only have greens and kale, but even broccoli. You'll never have broccoli because broccoli is from the flower. The flowers need to be pollinated in a broccoli.
Speaker 3:That's what they do, that's their thing. They go from one thing to another.
Speaker 4:No that's not right.
Speaker 1:No from one thing to another. No, broccoli, actually I'm getting confused with a different plant, the broccoli the top of the. That's all flower buds. Let a broccoli plant go. The whole top of the head turns yellow. Wow, I believe it. Like little flowers grow from it the top of the broccoli is just buds, multiple, multiple buds.
Speaker 2:I don't like broccoli.
Speaker 3:I'm not a broccoli guy, yeah, well the point is the fact that it shows you how much they're involved in our ecosystem.
Speaker 2:That's the main thing.
Speaker 3:That's you know. It's you know for those who love broccoli they're happy.
Speaker 4:it's there For those who do not.
Speaker 3:There's other stuff that they're helping out with. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I think people forget too is when people think of bees, they just think of honeybees. But like there's carpenter bees, there's bumblebees.
Speaker 3:Yes, bumblebees, there's masonry bees and you can mistake a carpenter bee for a bumblebee because they kind of look similar. They look very similar. They're fat bees, you know.
Speaker 1:But they all pollinate, right so it's not just honeybees? No, Honeybees are actually indigenous to Europe and they were brought here, you know. So people can have honey, you know. So you know that's a lot of people don't know that. But like the natural pollinators in North America are like carpenter bees, bumblebees, masonry bees. I'm sure there's other bees Right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm sure there's so many species I mean there's probably a lot of them, yeah, but it's good that we're paying attention to it and not and now understanding. Oh okay, yeah, right, we shouldn't be killing these things and poisoning them. Like at my job. They have honeybees in the building, right, and we were talking about it. Oh, we're going to just get this one. They're going to come. You can't, first of all, I don't even think you're allowed to do that, but you shouldn't kill honeybees, right? Get someone to come out. And they didn't.
Speaker 3:They did the right thing of course to get someone to come out and get them out. That actually happened one time before in another building of theirs and they were able to get honeybees out the right way and then just transport them out and then hopefully I don't know how what they do I'm sure later on they set it up somewhere where it you know, yeah, that's how they did it they set up the um, uh the beekeeper comes and then sets it up where they can get the uh the queen to come out right and then it
Speaker 2:goes down into the, into the and they just follow along they make them and then the rest of the bees come in, and then they take them and they move them somewhere else where? You know, they won't be in a problem for the building. They could mess up the structure or, depending on how big the beehive gets inside, it could mess with things in the building.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I've seen them cut floorboards open in people's houses and it's full of bees.
Speaker 1:I got a funny story full of bees and I don't know if I've told this story before because I've told it to so many people, so I apologize if I so. We were in Boy Scout camp. I was like 12 years old up in Blairstown, New Jersey, Nobe Bosco. So they do this. They call it the cable cut hike, they go on. You know, they go up the power. There's like power cable oh yeah throw.
Speaker 1:So you know, you climb up the mountain and then go around and then and towards the end they go. All right, guys, that towards the end of the they say everybody, there's a hollowed out tree, that's there, there's a tree that the entire tree inside the tree is like a wasp's nest so snap go back. When you go back there, we walk, walk past it, but quietly, don't make any noises, don't disturb them. So terrified of bees me at 12 years old as a bee land on my shoulder and I go.
Speaker 1:I think we're getting like attacked by bees, my bees, and everybody starts running. Everybody got stung, except me. That is the comic. Should have got your ass to quit the quickness, bro.
Speaker 3:Everybody got stung, except me, bro. You see how fucked up is that it is. The cacama should have got your ass to quit. The quickness, bro, they should have.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's messed up man yeah no shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Listen, I've been stung by a wasp. When I was a kid, I was in Pennsylvania. We used to go to this one place and I was walking through camp and this wasp got me on my neck and bit me like three times. Man, because they don't, it's not just once, and man, this thing hurt bad, and that's the thing people get confused about wasps too.
Speaker 1:Unlike bees or pollinators, wasps don't pollinate. They're carnivorous. They eat other insects. Yep, and like bees, if they sting you, they're they lose it, they lose the stinger it breaks off at. Sometimes the back of their, like torso, breaks out right, that's how fucked, you know, but wasps they don't have that problem yeah, and it hurts bad.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that's, and they will sting you multiple times, but fortunately you know um fucking shank your ass.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that only happened, well yeah they only have it once.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but I think it's good.
Speaker 3:I think, as a matter of fact, they have things, uh, something about not mowing the lawn for the month of the may, or something like that, or there was something I heard on the radio in regards to because you have the dandelions you'd have all that stuff to kind of let it grow, because it's the beginning of spring and you're kind of helping out you know because, because you don't want to start cutting the lawns right away, I mean of course because, for the leave an area that's not cut, but
Speaker 3:open an area that only you need and then leave the rest. Do its thing, because they say it's actually real helpful for the the eco sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because not everybody has flowers in their house and stuff like that. Right, those are the natural flowers of the area.
Speaker 2:But now is that something? Because there was a fear of bees going extinct a couple of years ago that now they're saying to help?
Speaker 1:them. There was a lot of talk of that, right, so they said now that it grows Because they were using pesticides and all kinds of crazy things.
Speaker 3:And they do all kinds of crazy things, and not necessarily directed at the bees, but because they were using them, I think it was killing the bees Got it. I don't think they were intentionally looking to kill.
Speaker 1:Well, there was a problem with the honey bee industry. They're supposed to take. When they take the honey from the hive, they're always supposed to take a certain amount and then they leave the rest. So the bees are supposed to take a certain amount right, and then they leave the rest.
Speaker 3:So the bees are supposed to have it right they always, but these bees always make excess right right they make uh reserves and also to insulate their hive right, so they take the.
Speaker 1:The whole principle was like take the excess and then leave them the reserves so they can have enough to, you know, for the winter.
Speaker 2:But where was I going with?
Speaker 1:this yes. Fucking happened again. This is ADHD.
Speaker 3:We were talking about the fact that they were making the honey. Oh yeah, but they started doing it, but they're doing it different.
Speaker 1:Fucking assholes. You know this is assholes. You know this is corporations. You know I try to squeeze every fucking penny we can instead of I don't know doing the right thing. Yeah, they, um, that's fucking they. They started pouring back in. They took all the fucking honey and putting replacing it with corn syrup. Corn syrup is not nutritious right, right, right.
Speaker 1:I think they can give it to us, like us asshole americans just put corn syrup. Corn syrup is not nutritious. Right, right, right. I think they can give it to us, like us asshole americans, just put corn syrup.
Speaker 4:Yeah, don't love another fucking sugar, you know yeah that's like you know saying, you know, right, right, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1:I mean, and then, and then they start having hive you know, collapses, they call them which is where, like the whole fucking hive dies right, right, right, right.
Speaker 2:Telling you man insane in ahead Lou, what do you?
Speaker 3:got well, it says, critical role in maintaining biodiversity. They are key pollinators for a wide range of plants and species, including that form the backbone of natural ecosystems. The loss of bees can lead to the decline of these plants, which turn, which in turn affects the animals that rely on them for food and the habitat. So they're important, not only really not so much for us, I mean, they are, but for the animals as well you know that they probably cohabitate with mostly than us.
Speaker 3:You know Right, right, and those guys know, I mean, as far as the albums, their instincts, they know what it is that they need and obviously it's good for the Beast to be doing their job and helping them out.
Speaker 2:Yeah well.
Speaker 4:I mean.
Speaker 3:Yeah, ecosystem. I mean you gotta do listen. The basic idea is that if you lose it and you start, you know, just taking advantage of it and doing like what Tom said with the syrup and everything, I mean it's just like all right.
Speaker 3:I get it, you're only going to be here for a certain amount of time, but why is it so hard to do? It's always seemed harder to do the right thing when you know what the right thing is. But, like you mentioned, the dollar, right, of course, they have to squeeze every dollar they can get out of it, so it's a shame. So something has to suffer in order for them to do that, and that's. I think they're starting to figure that out now, because people are starting to pay attention, because you're seeing it a lot more now than you did before. I mean, you always knew about it, but now it seems to be like you know, it's being pushed a little bit more, which is great.
Speaker 3:I think that's a good thing be pushing for and helping out, because without you know, we, you want to live on it exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I mean, that's the thing too. I mean take care of it and it's for all I mean. So, all right, we know that, uh, bees pollinating our, our, agriculture is beneficial to us when we eat, and I know he's not cool with that.
Speaker 3:But when we uh eat the.
Speaker 2:It's supposed to be better for us, it's healthier, it was healthy for us. It helps fight allergies. You know, when you eat the local honey.
Speaker 3:People who have allergies. They say it helps you eat the local honey Right.
Speaker 2:And that could be beneficial. You know people I don't know. You probably know better than me because I didn't know. You probably know better than me because I didn't see this when I was looking it up. If you eat the honey, people who are allergic to bee stings would that help them?
Speaker 3:I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't think so I'm just saying, but it probably you can look it up. Well, no, I couldn't find it, I've tried it.
Speaker 3:So that's the kind of conversation Tom and I have had back and forth. But let's say they're taking care of the bees and they're doing it the right way, but they're not taking all the honey, like you were talking about earlier and doing it the way they're supposed to, or should.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And then people can benefit from it, because you're not torturing or hurting the bees or whatever, just for your benefit. And then you don't even realize, because the ignorance is that okay, well, if I don't do this right? So yeah, I get what you're saying. I don't think it'll do for these things, but look it up. Uh, you never know if it's going to help with allergies and stuff like that. Um, yeah, I say that's good yeah, well, anything that's natural is better than actually man-made drug.
Speaker 2:Anyway oh, yeah, definitely. But then that's where the, the veganism stuff comes in, because it's for me and how I'm thinking right now, at this moment, I should say we use, we eat. You know well, those of us who eat meat and stuff like that, um, when you eat plants, you know, vegan stuff, does it benefit you health wise other than just, um, uh, like what was it Like the, the stuff that they put into the, into the, uh, animals? You know we're not using the animals, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, how does it help you?
Speaker 4:I'm sorry, I'm saying no, no, no.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm saying like that's the stuff that we put in with the uh animals right so then now with the bee stuff, so plant-based things, so with the bees eating the honey, other insects that make different things, would that still be? To me that would be beneficial because it's healthier.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I mean, I understand that, but so we just, it's just that, that's what they, you know, it's just we don't want to exploit animals. Exploit them Right, I get it and the whole point.
Speaker 1:I understand the point of it, but yeah, yeah and.
Speaker 3:I understand the point as far as where you're looking at it from, because you're saying there's never any middle. When you say we're going to just do this, it always winds up going farther than it's supposed to. So I guess that's the whole. Well, then forget it, then it shouldn't be done at all. It's kind of more of the mindset of the vegan which is like listen, if you can't do it where you're still helping out to be and you're not hurting it and it's just for your benefit, then then don't do it at all yeah, yeah, it's just, you know, right, right, leave it alone and just let it be right and that's, and I understand that makes sense.
Speaker 3:You know, just leave animals alone right, pretty much, pretty much, and I agree with that.
Speaker 1:I mean but you know, I'm sure if there's already existing, you know research on it, you know, maybe someone could synthesize whatever it is that they find. You know what I mean. Whatever you know benefit they find and make a synthetic version of it. If they were to say, like there was some kind of something that only came from a certain insect that was like saved lives or something like that, like or you know, or, or something or they find, like oh, it's like the fountain of you as you can get 20 years off your life, right right, I get maybe like you know, they find us that you know synthesize it because I'm sure they're looking at all that stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah yeah, I mean yeah regarding different different insects you know the original research came from just animals. So it gets a little.
Speaker 3:It gets dicey because you know, at some point they're going to do more and experiment in different areas that you're not even aware of, and that's a little. But it goes back to what we were saying in the last podcast was that there's going to be the positives and the negatives and hopefully they lean more towards the positive and they stay in that direction. But but doing the right thing and, you know, not automatically killing a bee because you see it or you're allergic. You know, get a candle, get the. You know the, the ones that help with the. You know what's the oil that they have. I can't believe this. My wife buys these candles all the time. I can't remember the name.
Speaker 3:Citronella.
Speaker 2:No thank you.
Speaker 3:That helps, you know. So you're trying to have a little deterrent, so it doesn't. You know the bees don't like the smell or whatever they sell them at home.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, right.
Speaker 3:You natural that won't hurt. It'll just deter them to come into your area and you know god forbid. You know, listen, people are allergic. They don't want to get stung right, but don't just automatically go and kill them, if you know yeah, yeah, right, all right.
Speaker 2:So now my next question. So now, if we don't have bees, that means they don't pollinate, right, right. So I mean, they're not, you know, spreading to grow whatever you know, plants and stuff like that. Now, if people were to do the actual uh, pollinating, would that be? You know, I'm saying like in the greenhouse. So we have people that you know, we have greenhouses and stuff like that, and it's not about that, it's more it's more about the environmental part of it, where it helps the ecosystem operate.
Speaker 4:The way it needs to.
Speaker 3:And if that, if that's gone, you know I don't think man is going to be able to equal that somehow to replacement, you know? I mean like, okay, well, we're going to have to do the job for the bees. You know what kind of test that would be in order for them to happen. To do that, you would have to like that. That I don't think that would be. The best thing is just to there is no worrying about if man kills him or anything I don't. You know it's more about. Let's just do the right thing and recognize okay, we're finally understanding that this is important. We need to protect them, like everything else in the ecosystem, not only bees, all the animals, things like that and of course, we all have our own views on certain things. But, um, I think we will agree on majority most of that stuff, you know, when it comes at least I know I do, as far as you know, animals and stuff concern- and um, so just, I would just say protect them and do the right thing.
Speaker 3:Not and not because I can't see how, man could I apologize for running on, but, um, I can't see how they would be able to do that. To replace, to be the pollinate, would you just drop it from planes or something like that. That just makes no sense. You know what?
Speaker 1:I mean, they have to go into the plant where the pollen comes out of the flower, and all they do is they. You know how they collect the pollen right? They rub against it. And then they shake the pollen off them when they get to the.
Speaker 3:Do you ever see a bee? When it's in the flower, it's full of pollen, it's like it's a coat and by the time they get that scraping of the pollen does something.
Speaker 1:And then also there's cross-pollination. So when they go into another flower and they scrape it, they get the and you know, the pollen breaks off and it causes the male and the female plant to cross-pollinate. It's crazy.
Speaker 4:It's the stuff we learned in high school. Yeah, yeah Right it is.
Speaker 3:And they're just doing it without any thought in the world. They're just doing what they naturally do, right From one thing to the other. Since we're talking, about bees.
Speaker 1:That is something I want to talk about, and how amazing nature is and how amazing that bees. You know, we're, we're, you know we go to school and we have to learn things. They just make a fucking hive with mathematical precision. How the fuck do they? It's like built into their dna right, they just, they just know how to build a fucking hive right, it's insane.
Speaker 3:Yeah right, it's like every bird, and if it's like perfectly the same.
Speaker 1:All the holes are perfectly the same size. Everything's like perfect, like how the a nest and it's like perfectly the same. All the holes are perfectly the same size. Everything's like perfect, Like how the fuck do they know?
Speaker 3:how to do that. It's instinct, man.
Speaker 1:They don't go to fucking engineering school how to fucking make a hive. They just make it.
Speaker 4:You say bzz, bzz, bzz, bzz bzz, bzz, bzz, bzz, bzz, bzz, bzz, bzz, bzz no, they don't rely on that. They rely on they just go by automatic, right, it's all instinct.
Speaker 3:It's crazy yeah it's crazy when you find a bird's nest and you look at that thing when it's done, like when it's abandoned after they already had the chicks and everything you look at it and you're like oh, look at this thing, the way they made it, the way they weaved it, and everything each bird had to first time for their right.
Speaker 3:When they first did it, they didn't know how to do it, but they did it somehow they. They just went with whatever and they did it like every other animal that does things. You know, that's great about that nature, that's what I love about it, because it's just automatically programmed, without any thought, just to do what they're supposed to do. They just it's natural to them same thing chipmunks.
Speaker 1:You ever see what chipmunks do underground? It's crazy. Yeah, they, they, they build these tunnels and these. And you know, like I feed chipmunks out, so I I have a bird's nest and a chipmunk feeder and squirrel feeder and they, he, he'll open up all the uh peanuts and, like you know, stuff his face and then he goes in and then he comes right back and he's done again. Where's he putting them? And I looked online to see what it looked like. You know, just like a, like a diagram. And they, they have these tunnels with these food storages and they have another, and then they'll have another tunnel to another room with a and where they where they put bedding. You know they'll put like same thing, like they'll build a nest and they'll put like all like stuff for them to lay on, and then there'll be another room with more.
Speaker 2:You know as much food storage, so they got mansions.
Speaker 1:All winter long they can survive on. They have all that food and shit for them.
Speaker 3:You ever see when they poured the cement into the anthill?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 3:And they dug it out, yeah, and they talked about how.
Speaker 1:If it's like an old anthill.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, no, no, no no no, no, it was abandoned.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:They put it in and it showed how they had their own trash area where they were able to recycle stuff. I mean, it was amazing how everything was so perfectly. I don't know, dude, that's crazy shit, but that's what's so intriguing about it. You know what I mean, dude? That's that's crazy shit, you know, but that's it, but it's so. That's what's so intriguing about it, you know? I mean, it's like that's, I think, the one thing that, as as far as men, uh, man is concerned, I can't wait till they figure out a way like you know, just go with your gut. You know how we told about gut. That really refers more to your instinct, right?
Speaker 3:just don't think about it, just like if don't feel right, just don't fucking do it right, yeah, or if it feel right, do it.
Speaker 1:See. You know, that's see right away. I'm thinking like I'm thinking. Imagine if we studied and found out how that works, how like nature has it like things programmed into their DNA, we figure out how to do that and then we can program. But you know what? Someone would use that for evil They'd humans.
Speaker 2:Let's program all the american citizens to be more docile so we can control them. Yeah, no lie, but you know. And so now we know that the bees pollinate. We know they make the honey. Yeah, now we know the different kinds of bees there that we were talking earlier. Oh, did we say that we know?
Speaker 3:we said before.
Speaker 2:So the different kind of bees you you said the carpenter bees and all those other kind of bees. Do they pretty much do the same thing? Pollinating? Yeah, except that they don't.
Speaker 3:Also, it's all bees that pollinate, it's not just the honeybees, no they all do it Because they're all going to whatever flowers or whatever they're doing. You know they're going to all that stuff. You always see bees around that.
Speaker 4:That's what they eat.
Speaker 3:Right into all that stuff. You always see bees around that, and that's what you know, and that's right. It's just gonna take it from one place to the next and, without even knowing it, they're doing exactly what they were meant to.
Speaker 2:They know it. You didn't see the b movie.
Speaker 3:No yeah, I did see that movie.
Speaker 1:You know it's. I saw it too. You know what, uh. You know what, uh, a lot of people don't know about honeybees too is if you ever see like a cluster of like a, like looks like a. You know hundreds of honeybees and they're just like in a random spot they say to leave them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, don't mess with them wait for them.
Speaker 1:They're resting, because what happens is, um, people don't realize this because because the honey industry and I'll explain that in a minute but they're nomadic, honeybees are nomadic they don't typically stay in one place.
Speaker 1:They'll stay in one place maybe for a season and they'll scout for an area where there's more abundance of flowers and they'll build a new hive there. So they say, leave them alone, because they're in a cluster and they're all surrounding the queen, because the queen just finds a new place for the hive. The queen decides where a new hive is and then get to work, build the hive. You guys know how to do it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, Wow. I watched this crazy thing on this woman on. It was on Instagram and she's a honeybee. She goes and she gets them out and she moves them, whatever. So she was helping this one honeybee what is it? Hive, yeah, and the queen died, but they were still tending to her, so they helped them move into another hive and by doing that.
Speaker 1:she still moved the queen. They were taking care of it, and then they'll designate it so what she did was.
Speaker 3:She had the boxes where the bees were in. She put newspaper in between the two because you can't integrate them right away. They will kill each other. Okay, they'll fight. You have to let them do it gradually. So she put newspaper in between both hives and the bees ate through it. Eventually, and a little by little, they just started mixing with one another and before you know it they were part of the hive and they had a new queen Interesting.
Speaker 2:So it was really cool.
Speaker 3:I was like and this woman? She doesn't wear anything and she goes and gets them out, she takes them bare hands, she picks them up.
Speaker 2:She puts them in a. Thing.
Speaker 3:Amazing how she does it.
Speaker 1:She's really cool to watch. You know why people confuse honeybees and wasps a lot Because they're a similar size, except wasps are like super yellow and honeybees have more of an orange like a golden kind of. They're more like a golden, more orange, and they're fuzzy yes yes, um, but you know, honeybees are typically not aggressive. They're not, no, they're only if they feel like they're attacked. So if you're, if, they're, if, if, and again, this lady probably handles them all the time, so they just know her, so they don't even sting her.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and she's probably super calm because she knows to be calm, because they can, they can, you know, they can sense it, you know that about it release like pheromones yeah, if you're scared or scared and they fucking sense it and they don't like it right, because they know you seem like an animal attack.
Speaker 1:You, yeah, so yeah, but uh, yeah um, oh, back to what I was gonna say about the honeybees, remember, I said you know the reason why they. They don't leave that in all right, they stayed they stay one place because they cut the wings off the. It's fucked up. They cut the wings off the queen so she can't fly. She can't fly and find another hive so they have to stay stationary. So that's like that's fucked up. That's like cutting your legs off. Oh, oh, you can't fucking.
Speaker 3:Who does that to them, the actual bees? Whoever you buy the bees? Yeah, oh, I got you.
Speaker 1:Whoever the producer, whoever the breeders are. Oh, I see what you're saying. I didn't realize that you buy the honey bees from them.
Speaker 3:But what you mentioned you were talking about earlier was that sometimes bees will travel. She'll nature, but in the honey industry they cut those wings, so they can't right.
Speaker 4:Right, of course. So you know, and that's what we were talking about a little while ago.
Speaker 3:You know. So you got that part of it which you know that there's no. You got to find that happy medium. There's got to be a middle ground. That has to be where everybody works, makes out and no one's getting hurt from it you know, I mean no one's gaining or losing.
Speaker 1:Well, they make a. It's really good. I bought it before they have. It's a bee-free honey. They call it Bee-free honey. It's made from apples Of course they do. Are you kidding me? It's fucking weird and it's just like honey. There's a slight apple aftertaste, but aftertaste, but it's good. That tastes good.
Speaker 3:I like apples, so I can't always has these things, he has whatever, it is different, you know.
Speaker 1:Oh, they have you know that is right, yeah, and if there isn't? There's a recipe to make it right yeah because that's what people used to do back in the day. They'd be like oh, you know what I really miss. You know, I miss eating that. And then they come up with what's. If we took this, and then people, and then you know other vegans they share recipes and I made something that's like this you gotta try it out.
Speaker 1:We use this right and that's how. Right now, there's companies that are just making the plant-based meats, but before that, people used to just diy it. You know, make their own shit.
Speaker 2:A lot of like satan, which is popular you know, stuff like that not me, no, I can't, I don't know man, I just I like, honey, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:I have to confess, I use it in my green tea every morning. But what I'm going to do is not buy what I buy in the supermarket anymore, but really get it from a local farm or a place that has it. I know not the same thing. I get it but it's because of the natural and the benefits you get from it and being that it's not as sugar, because the honey you buy in the supermarket off the shelf, it's mostly sugar.
Speaker 3:There isn't shit to that. It's not real honey. It's honey, but it's got other crap in it as well.
Speaker 2:So if you want to get really good honey, you get honey from a local place, so I didn't do honey until my wife introduced me to it. I was like eh, whatever, I mean, I knew honey, everybody knows honey, but I didn't think to put it in my tea and stuff like that. And I was like what?
Speaker 4:No, it's good, it's healthier for you, like you said it's way better.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, way better than sugar. If really good honey right, yeah, and but then only into talking to you guys is well more you with the um, syrup, sometimes in place of honey. Yeah, syrup, oh yeah, okay I use that in place of honey sometimes. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, I guess I'm only, until recently, have ever even thought about anything close to being that kind of healthy. You know what what I'm saying? I never looked for it.
Speaker 3:Never thought about it or whatever. So, like I never thought about, you know, doing the vegan, yeah, I know right, and I never thought about the vegetarian view.
Speaker 2:Look, thought, thinking or whatever. You know what I'm saying. I never thought about being that kind of healthy and not eating that much sugar and all that. I sound like you, man.
Speaker 3:I have a big sweet tooth. Fortunately, I don't do it as much as I.
Speaker 2:I wasn't nearly as bad as you, but I was bad.
Speaker 3:I had my own things that I liked.
Speaker 4:If I had a binge, I went on them.
Speaker 3:I could eat a whole bag of Lifesavers in like a fucking hour.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:I'm not kidding, bro, I know, you know it After we did that sugar detox, Tanya and I. It kind of helped me reset myself where I was aware of it now and I was like, okay, more of paying attention, Like if I got an urge for something and I wanted to go get it, I'd be like, ah, I don't need it, I'll just keep going Like more, in the sense that when my first sense it was, oh yeah, I'm going to stop, I'll stop on a quick check on the way back and I'll grab that.
Speaker 3:You know, right, sometimes I do, but it's not nearly as often, right as when I was doing it. Uh, before you know what I mean, well, no, so okay.
Speaker 2:So well, I'm sorry because what you just said kind of like threw me back into the what tom was saying before. So if we use it as a natural sweetener, right? The honey yeah, right, and we give back, so we buy from the local farms and such or the beat you know beekeepers and whatnot that they're giving back or taking only some of what's coming out of the beehive. Would that be okay as far as a vegan, or is it just a matter of like? No, we went just through this part.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm saying because, like I said, it's still like the assumption, where it's like no, they just take so much out of it and they're just choking the shit out of the hive.
Speaker 3:I would only assume that at some point where they're actually comfortable enough, knowing that, okay, they're actually doing the right thing, and they're not doing it. That's not going to be for a while, because and that's why I understand the reasoning of the way how a vegan thinks in the sense that, listen, there is no middle ground. You guys are always overstepping boundaries, you go too far and then we're back where we started again.
Speaker 1:There was like a vegan activist who said something. I forget who it was, but they said like you know, all use, you know, is all animal use is exploitation and all exploitation is abuse and all abuse is wrong, right?
Speaker 3:so that's where there's aren't animals or people and so on right exactly, I totally understand, I get it that's gonna be another podcast because I got well, we've had that podcast.
Speaker 2:No, no, I'm saying like you know just other stuff, yeah, we can go back to it.
Speaker 1:I'll do a vegan podcast, we can do another one again, but no, I'm not saying but you know what I mean. Yeah, we, we can do another one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely Listen. I like it because it's all interchanged. They're all part of one another. I could bring a different guest on each time, Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 1:That would be great. I know you could you know.
Speaker 3:so I think it's just important you know to do the right thing, and hopefully one day we'll get to that point with everything.
Speaker 3:Right right right you know. I'm glad that I'm paying attention to it, because now when I mow the lawn or I weed, whack or whatever. I'm like I don't mind those freaking dandy lines in the corner or whatever, I'm going to leave them, man, If that's me helping out and doing now. My wife has all the flowers in the front. That are all and I know they're in there because I can see them bouncing around you know bumblebees, honeybees, everybody's.
Speaker 3:You know it's crazy, so I know we're doing it that way too when I'm doing the backyard you know, if it's not going to hurt anything the dogs are not going to go near it.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:You know the worst is going to happen. Gito will catch another bumblebee or two and just let him go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, yeah. So Well, I tell you what you know. Again, sitting with you guys and you know, listening in some of the stuff that we talk about, I learned a lot. You know, because I played devil's advocate is why I mess with you guys or whatever, but you know, I think that for us, human race, you know we have to respect the bees and other animals, creatures, insects and stuff, because it is a part of our ecosystem. You know what I mean and I think everybody should know the need for the bees because of where we would be if they weren't here. You know what I mean and, like you, because I'm only saying this now because of something that you had said before we did the show um, you know, just the bees pollinating the world, you know, and just for us to live. You know what I mean and I never thought about it like that. I really didn't, and I said just listening to both you guys, I didn't think about half the shit that we talk about as that is going to benefit us in the end.
Speaker 3:Most people don't. We're ignorant to it or we're just not knowledgeable enough to know or look into it. But you know, hey.
Speaker 1:And I know I briefly mentioned at the beginning of the episode, but I don't want to gloss over it too much Too late If we don't have bees we don't have, it's not going to be good. Whoever's listening, I would look up. There's a meme and it was like a picture you can probably Google like meme of what a supermarket would look like without bees.
Speaker 4:Like it showed the post department like 90% of it was like empty.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Because like you need the bees to make anything that I mean to make fruit, like you need it for fruit. And what people consider fruit it's funny people like like tomatoes are fruit. You know anything that I think produces a flower and the flower, through cross pollination, would be turns into a fruit but, like it's like barely like all you left is like vegetables like celery, lettuce greens, you know like like, like technically, like like an eggplant.
Speaker 1:I can bring eggplant. It's a fruit like beanies and pollinated, you know what I mean. But um yeah, no, it's, it's important everything around us is important.
Speaker 3:You know, all of nature is important and um the animal kingdom in general, of all species. We're nowhere where it used to be as far as we're at us now. I mean, the percentage is so low. It's ridiculous. It's amazing that not everything is extinct by this time already. You know, what I mean. It's ridiculous with pollution and killing them off. When you see those crazy things on. When I see this guy standing in front of a dead giraffe because he shot it, I'm like really man, what the like wasn't it beautiful when it was living and walking around yeah that's to me.
Speaker 3:That's beautiful, right, yeah, I get it and right, I know, and that's like doesn't make sense. Beautiful animal let me shoot it and put it mounted on my wall yeah, yeah, yeah you know, yeah, I'm not a hunter, so I don't understand.
Speaker 4:I'm not a logic.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. Well, that's big that's safari game. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:That's not here in the united states it's usually the deer and bear and whatever else, and depending on where in the country you're hunting, you know, I think, like in florida you can hunt. I think you can hunt boar right in florida in florida. I know uh my son andrew used to go and uh hunt boar at least I thought they could, or still can, when you're out there, because, yeah, they brought here yeah and you know I.
Speaker 2:You know it's. It's one of those things. You know. I said that would be another, for another podcast, but you know there are things that we to just to keep the ecosystem balanced you know what I mean. So like when they. You know there are things that we to just to keep the ecosystem balanced you know what I mean. So like when they. You know we talk about what everything looked like many, many, many, many, many, many moons ago. You know it was about just to survive. So, like, you know different tribes around the world, you know they would go and follow where the buffalo roam or where the deer went. You know I'm saying, or they would eat. You know they were vegan kind of thing, without even knowing they were vegan, you know, but there would be places and that they would go and raise and grow these things so this way they could survive.
Speaker 2:And then here we are, fast forward to 2024, and we pretty much do the same thing. I don't want to say this so much, I'm sorry, I take it back, not so much that we're doing the same thing. I don't want to say this so much, I'm sorry, I take it back now, so that we're doing the same thing, we just raise everything differently. You know what I'm saying. We deal with things differently. So, like now for vegans, you know you go to certain places and you buy the, the vegan foods. You know for us that we're still carnivores, that you know we'll go and we'll try to do, was it um, uh, well, grass-fed or or whatever. Know what I'm saying? Well, don't forget.
Speaker 3:You know, american Indians lived, they cherished and respected everything that they had on the land, Right, right, they did hunt, but when they hunted they didn't hunt to kill, to extinct, they did it for whatever, and at that time that's the way things were going, whether it was, you know you agree with it or not, but that was Indians all over the place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but my point.
Speaker 3:What I'm trying to say is is that it's not, it wasn't vegan. They still ate meat. What they did was is they respected the animal and they knew how to hunt. You eat, but everything depending on what the heating and the different. To say, the difference would be like when white man came and he started hunting buffalo versus the way the indian hunted. Well, they just get him and leave him that dead. They didn't do anything else with the animal.
Speaker 1:Really, yeah, but where they end the american indian they used every part of the animal and whatever it is those pictures, they're standing on like a million fucking buffalo bones, like it was crazy well, I thought that it was just because that's what was left over.
Speaker 2:If you will, you know, I thought for the meat. I didn't know that, I didn't know that what you're saying, I really really buffalo bill killed.
Speaker 3:He didn't kill to eat the animal.
Speaker 2:They just killed it to skin it and then they left the animal there to rot no shit, yeah, pretty much didn't.
Speaker 3:I know that by the way, again, american Indian. That's why I always say we could have learned a lot from them if we were smart enough to do the right thing, since this was their land to begin with. Well, yeah and they could have taught us things as far as growing and taking care of nature and everything and respecting you know um the way they were. You know, maybe we're starting to get that now too, we're starting to recognize that as well.
Speaker 2:You know, I think that it all all uh, a little bit of time.
Speaker 2:I say we're there yet, but I'm just saying you can see that people are definitely making the the turn I think all over the place and for whatever reason you know, human race changed. I think all indigenous people for where, whatever continent they were on, actually gave back, if you will, to the land, wherever it was that we had that little click that we just fucked up and went apeshit to where we are now, that we felt like things weren't going to benefit us to help with the ecosystem because, like you know, we'll say we go back to vikings and everything before that and I said there was, uh, indians, quote-unquote indians all over the world, you know, in the caribbean indigenous people everywhere that they were, you know.
Speaker 3:Take just enough they adapted to the ecosystem right exactly how to live on it right, thrive without having to damage anything right, and I think that that's you know.
Speaker 2:Going back to you, to, you know, the bees, and that still happens in different parts of the world. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. So then, going back to the bees, that now, for whatever reason, you know, whatever it is that we're doing well, not whatever, it is everything that we're doing. You know what I mean. It's just taken away from the bees pollinating, from just other animals. You know, you said earlier with the um, uh, the chipmunks and stuff and the squirrels and whatever else, just all the shit that we're doing is just taken away from, you know, from us, from this planet thriving, right to continue to thrive. You know what I mean. And all of us, we have to sit back and say shit, you know, maybe we need to just, you know, help the bees, like some people I think you know.
Speaker 3:I mean, yeah, I think each generation is getting smarter and smarter with that stuff.
Speaker 2:So yeah, because we got dumb for a hot second well, yeah, I think I was.
Speaker 3:I think I was always like that. In a sense, I was always aware of it I think the older I got, the smarter I got about it in the sense where you know, I started to understand it better. Right, you paid attention and started. Right, you know not really all about me, you know looking at that around everything right around me instead of just worrying about yeah what was good for me?
Speaker 3:right, you know what I'm saying, so it was just uh I think, uh, hopefully we'll get there you know, mean we're trying to stop pollution, but it just seems like until we get away from fossil fuels, that's going to be the end. You know what I mean. I think that's the big problem.
Speaker 2:Until we can figure that out, yeah, well, we got a little bit off of just only the bee topic, but it's part of the whole thing.
Speaker 3:You mentioned the pollution before, so I'm saying that's one of the biggest things that contribute to what the problems are on the planet, but not only with bees, but with everything, every living organism on the planet.
Speaker 2:You, know what I mean? Oh yeah, no, no, what I meant was that, you know, we, the three of us sitting here, and we just, you know, said again it's diverse, for sure.
Speaker 3:It's diverse for all of it Exactly. You know so much that you can go to right.
Speaker 2:Yep. So you know everybody, don't kill the bees, call the beekeeper, don't call, you know, the the the pest control to kill them. All you know, and take care of the bees. Another cool, groovy episode. So I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3:Yes, let's go Rangers, let's go.
Speaker 2:Rangers.
Speaker 4:Let's go.
Speaker 2:Rangers, let's go Knicks. Let's go Jets, let's go Giants. Let's go everybody. What are you talking about? No, not Jets, no Jets.
Speaker 3:He's a Jets fan. No, yeah, yeah, I'm a Jets fan. No, jets, don't bring up the Jets. Anyway, love, peace and hair grease. Live long and prosper and go vegan Holla Did he do it already.
