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From Cigarettes to Vaping: Addiction, Health Risks, and the Path to Sobriety
Quitting smoking was one of the hardest battles I've ever faced. After a terrifying health scare, I transitioned to vaping and gradually reduced my nicotine intake to zero. In this episode, we explore the journey from cigarettes to vaping, share personal experiences, and discuss how vaping can actually aid in smoking cessation. I recount how the variety of flavors and cost savings made vaping an appealing alternative, while Loui shares his success with nicotine patches, emphasizing their effectiveness in his quitting journey.
But the conversation doesn't stop there. We dig into the critical topic of substance regulation and the potential dangers of non-regulated vaping products. Through personal anecdotes, we highlight how symbolic items like carrying a nicotine patch can help maintain sobriety and avoid falling back into old habits. The discussion extends to the necessity for proper dispensary regulation and the health risks posed by harmful vape flavors, stressing the importance of staying vigilant and informed.
Finally, we tackle the complex issue of vaping addiction and its health risks compared to traditional smoking. We reflect on the misconceptions about tobacco and vaping, the allure of customization, and the deceptive attraction of various vape flavors. From reminiscing about old cigarette brands to sharing a vivid tale of enjoying cigars on a beach in Mexico, this episode offers a comprehensive and engaging look at how these habits shape our lives while promoting a strong stance against vaping and advocating for peace, prosperity, and veganism.
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Speaker 2:What's? Up gentlemen, what's going on with you guys? Same old, most different day. Yeah yeah, long day bro. It was a long day today, but I'm chilling today. I'm good too. It's all great.
Speaker 1:Hello.
Speaker 2:Yeah, see, I'm rubbing off on you. Yeah, oh, oh, fuck this guy.
Speaker 1:I wasn't trying to go there, see, I was trying to be.
Speaker 2:Well, you don't want to Make it uncomfortable. I was like what do you mean? Yeah, uh, huh, yeah, so everybody's good, yeah, alright, cool beans.
Speaker 3:Today's topic is Well, I figure we do it. On Vaping, there we go. Vaping, yeah, positives and the negatives Of vaping, the pros and cons.
Speaker 1:The pros and the cons.
Speaker 3:Yep, so have you ever vaped?
Speaker 2:So I will say yes, okay, I vaped and I vaped a lot. So what happened was I was smoking cigarettes and I woke up one day and I literally bro, I coughed up this crazy loogie. It was like a brown color. It was insane, and I got scared. I got scared as fuck, like that's just the nice way of putting it. Yeah, it made me so nervous. I was like, oh my God, what is that? What is that? And I said I wasn't going to smoke anymore. I had like six cigarettes in my pack of cigarettes, yep, and that was it. I was done. I didn't smoke anything for about three days and then I went to vaping because I didn't want to have to go back.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So back when vaping first started, right.
Speaker 3:Nobody really knew what the deal was with that.
Speaker 2:And it was like this is going to help you quit, this is going to help you quit, and what I did was what I don't hear a lot of people doing now. But again, because everything you see and hear is just it's the double nicotine, it's the this and the that.
Speaker 3:Right, right the vaping, but you don't need the nicotine at all, right?
Speaker 2:So what I started to do was I went and I got a lower dosage, or I guess I'm going to call it dosage of nicotine in the vape, because then they say that it's just that hand to mouth, it's just that habit, right, it's the oral fixation.
Speaker 2:So then now I was like, all right, cool. Then I went in and I started buying. I bought the mod and the whole thing, right, and I bought flavors, but zero nicotine, right, and then I just broke. It, just broke me out of the habit of needing to have that nicotine, and I didn't have any. I don't, I'm gonna say, I didn't have any negative, uh feeling side effects or whatever from vaping. I'm gonna say, though, too, I only vaped for maybe two years, if that, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So that then that's fine, right, and that was like a more like an on and off, because it was um, you know my wasn't like. You needed it yeah, like I, just it was because of different flavors. And then when I you know, then the different smoke shops were opening up and they were, you know, introducing the different mods, and the mod is the, the power box, like the battery for it. You know, yeah, the whole big thing, so then you could program it.
Speaker 3:I had to pull it on it too, bro.
Speaker 2:Then you could turn around, you could program how much smoke you want to get out of it. Wow, because that was what the art was. You know, that's what it came in Like. If you're ever in the car and you're driving and you see this big puff of smoke, it's not that the car is fucking on fire, right?
Speaker 2:no, I know, it's just people vaping I'm not saying you, I didn't mean it to, you know. And then I just like, and the missus was like oh, you need to stop vaping. I'm like you know what? True enough, because now I I quit. The idea was to quit smoking, so I wasn't inhaling anything, you know. And then the money saved, you know, I think that when I quit smoking, cigarettes were about, I want to tell you, seven dollars, eight dollars, a something like that. And now they're like what? $15?, something like that, $12, $15, depending, I guess, on what cigarette you get, and you know all that stuff. But anyways, the point was that I vaped. I didn't have, I don't think I had any crazy. I don't remember having any crazy side effects.
Speaker 3:It helped you out, it worked the way you wanted it to. Right and, like I said, but people you know they're doing.
Speaker 2:They're still doing it with the nicotine. So now, what did you find on that?
Speaker 3:Well, first I want to like I quit cigarettes, but at that time vape wasn't available.
Speaker 2:Oh, you didn't have to smoke that long.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I smoked that long It'll be. I'm going on almost 30 years, I think without a cigarette.
Speaker 2:Cigarette, okay, okay. Um, I thought it was less time than that, okay, no it's.
Speaker 3:It's a long. It's a long time now, but, um, I had to use the patch, oh, which I didn't mind I, and it worked for me, did it. Oh, it was the. When I did it that way, I quit, I got it. I use it for probably four months and I did it in the way they gradually break it down, like each you do so many months, or whatever it was at that time and then you just kind of wean yourself off of it kind of thing so and that worked for me and I knew, once I made it to one year I was home, free.
Speaker 3:I said if I can make it to a year then, but I still was very. I used to carry a patch in my pocket in my wallet. I had it in there for years. I think I finally threw it away. I had it for like over 20 years in my wallet, just as a backup, just in case if, for some reason, I wanted this like just something that I just kept in my wallet from back in the day and just never threw it out.
Speaker 1:I used to work with a guy who when he quit smoking he had a, because he was like the lead carpenter at the workplace I worked at. So he had an office and he had like a pack of cigarettes that was like 20 years old that was still open. He's like I never got rid of the cigarettes. He's like I quit, but he was keeping it as like symbolic.
Speaker 3:He probably smells them he goes yeah yeah, yeah, put some down no, I'm sure right funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, and but but that's where that's what I was, very quick.
Speaker 3:Whatever works for you, man yeah, like well it's a tv show, but barretta always had them cigarette in his ear, kojak had the lollipop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3:Right. So everybody had their thing. That helped them stay, you know, from that particular thing I didn't drink for three years, not really. Yeah, I would drink like club soda and cranberry is what I would drink, because I didn't want to have alcohol because I was afraid that that would make me go back. And once I got past a few years I was comfortable enough to have liquor without, or drink without having to get a crave, because usually when I always quit I would wind up going back because I went out, I was at the bar and then I wound up on a cigarette and then next, you know, I have a pack in my fucking car see, so I'm the crackhead in this, because when I used, when I would drink, I wouldn't smoke.
Speaker 2:If I smoked while I was drinking alcohol, I'd get nauseous Right. See, that's funny.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I wish that happened to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so then I didn't even bother. But like I said, I never, you know me, I would. It was just that's what. Of course, many moons later, we find out that there's other things that can happen to you.
Speaker 3:Right, a whole bunch of stuff. Certain flavors can hurt you right, the who, I think, certain flavors you got to watch out for too.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I don't know if it's for regular vaping, but I know for cannabis. There was a lot of these like they weren't legal dispensaries. Oh that's right. They were selling, like you, you know, their own, made up or like or not, from this country or you know. I don't know where the shit's from, but it's not like legit, like right it wasn't made, it's right, it wasn't regulated at all non-regulated.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it was a um, it was what was the flavor? And a butter flavor anything. It had this butter flavor and it gave you. It did some fucked up shit to your lungs but they nicknamed whatever it was popcorn lemon because the butter flavor and it gave you. It did some fucked up shit to your lungs but they nicknamed whatever it was popcorn lemon because the butter flavor wow that's, that's hilarious and popcorn lung. Yeah, you could look it up.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you want to look it up later, yeah the wild part is, like I said, I remember all the flavors that I used to get from when I used to smoke. You know, hit the vape, yeah, and I had coca, I had Coca-Cola, I had Cherry Coke, I had vanilla, I said just regular cherry grape nerds.
Speaker 3:I had a nerds flavor. I don't even know half the shit because I've never vaped. The only time I may have vaped is if I you know I was smoking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, right, right.
Speaker 3:But that would be the only time.
Speaker 2:So then was it that all the just only certain flavors it?
Speaker 1:was that, whatever the flavor that was associated with butter, whatever chemical they used to give it the butter flavor, like messing up people's yeah, that's not cool and it's scary too, because for a little bit. I was going to a dispensary that like wasn't a new, it was like a regular dispensary and it wasn't there's been a few that, yeah, that they closed down here in new york because they weren't legit.
Speaker 3:Like, the ones that are legal are open, but the ones that aren't, they've been shutting them down yeah so they don't have the right licensing or whatever it was, or they didn't do whatever it was that they didn't have in order for them to be open you. They weren't legit for him. I mean for marijuana, okay okay, see, that's wild so because they regulate it that's right, and they don't want that shit being out there because they, you know it's just.
Speaker 2:It has to be what it is, that you know and you don't want people going and infringing and hurting other people, right yeah, definitely, because I know they busted a bunch of places in the in uh manh Well in the five boroughs in New York City that they were illegal spots.
Speaker 1:They busted that weed bus. Remember the weed bus that we used to see all the time.
Speaker 3:In Jersey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it was legit. He didn't have a license.
Speaker 3:They finally busted him. He went for a long time. That guy All through COVID.
Speaker 1:that guy went through he was open before they legalized it in Jersey. Really, yeah, how's that possible? Because they were doing the gift system. Really that was going around for a little bit.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:It was where places were able to. You were legally allowed to have marijuana in Jersey. This was before they actually legalized the dispensaries. You were legally allowed to have it, but you weren't allowed to sell it, so you had to sell the.
Speaker 2:so what they?
Speaker 1:would do is they would sell you a bottle of coke or whatever and you'd pay $100 for a bottle of coke and get a brick yeah, you'd get $100 for an ounce but it would be like half a gift, half ounce or whatever, but it would be like half a gift, half ounce gift, one ounce gift. Right, I got you. You know what?
Speaker 3:I Gotcha Nice, yeah. So let's get back to. There is vaping, though, of course, with THC, as well so. I'm sure it would apply to both, even though mainly, a lot of people vape just to vape right?
Speaker 3:They say, okay, here, vape just to vape, right um? They say, uh, okay, here's the pros. Less harmful than smoking. Vaping is generally considered to be less harmful than traditional cigarettes as it typically contains fewer toxins and chemicals. So it says here health risks. This is the cons, right um? Although vaping is less harmful than smoking, it still carries health. Long-term effects are not fully understood and some studies suggest potential damage to the lung and cardiovascular system.
Speaker 2:See so now I always thought that vaping was so. When I first started to vape they were saying it was advertised, if you will, that it was medical grade. Medical grade quote unquote medical grade products so like saline and stuff like that. That they were using the hospital to make it that it was safe for you to do it. So when they did whatever surgeries or like when you're breathing and taking the oxygen stuff, everything that they put in that it was supposed to be safe, that vaping wasn't going to hurt you and whatnot.
Speaker 3:But they didn't really know back then Exactly. They didn't have enough. Once it started, I guess, they didn't really have a lot of information and then they had to learn from right where it started. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Now they know more, of course, because why I also started to vape was the little bit of research that I did and I guess for what it was when I did. It was that this guy, a few people, they were smoking cigarettes, they were coughing and all crazy. They had x-rays and they were showing x-rays that they had gone and went to their doctor and it looked all dark and it was all funky. And the guy goes back like a year later and same doctor, whatever and like yeah, look, my lungs have cleared up, have cleared up and this is great, they're showing another x-ray of a clean. Yeah, I know, not everything on, you know, on online, is supposed to be real. But I was like that's it, I'm not gonna, my lungs are gonna clear up in a freaking year. I'm good, you know. So that's, that's what it is. You know, I've watched a few shows, sci-fi shows and they call people in the year 2099 that they have vape lung.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, now nobody's smoking any cigarettes anymore, they're just doing the vaping. It graduated from one thing to the next. Exactly yeah, Traded one vice for another. Yeah, yeah, Right so you know, it's all Traded, one vice for another.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, right. So then now. So vaping is essentially if I'm wrong, I thought I heard I thought we were talking about that before that it's. I mean, it's all the chemicals, or half the chemicals of what you would get from a cigarette, right To get the flavors and stuff, so we'll go through some of them.
Speaker 3:So no, tobacco or vaping does not produce the lingering smoke smell that traditional cigarettes do, making it more socially acceptable in certain environments. So then I go to number two here, and it says nicotine addiction. This is the cons, right? Okay? Many vaping products contain nicotine, which is highly addictive. This can make it difficult to quit and may lead to dependence, so you will definitely get addicted to it. For sure. I've seen people smoke. I know some people will vape.
Speaker 1:That's if I was smoking cigarettes the way we smoke cigarettes, they start chain vaping.
Speaker 3:They got it in their hair all the time, time and then taking big drags off of it.
Speaker 1:You know one of the most addictive yeah, substances, because like I. I know people who were like former, like heroin addicts, who couldn't stop smoking, like they couldn't like quit fucking smoking because cigarettes are that fucking addicting. You know what I mean? Yep.
Speaker 3:That was easier for them to quit heroin than it was to quit cigarettes. I've heard that before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but now, is it the nicotine, or is it all the other chemicals that they put?
Speaker 3:in. Well, I'm sure the other stuff doesn't help either. I mean, look at all the things that are in cigarettes. I mean, other than tobacco, you're getting whatever else they put in there. And they said they basically came out and said that it was to make it more addictive, right? Okay, so they were doing that already? Yeah, they were. They had to admit that.
Speaker 1:So yeah, but it's just like, it's crazy, like people like you know I, this is my father when he, you know he had he died from lung cancer okay smoking. I didn't know that his uh, the ways to bring him to his oncology visits, his to to get chemotherapy and, like in the parking garage he would try to finish a cigarette before yeah, that's how addicting how addicted he was.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, that's insane, but isn't it? It's. That's sad, you know? I mean I, I feel you know of like it just takes you over.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like it's just one thing, no matter what.
Speaker 2:You know it's bad for you. When he first got diagnosed with cancer, he tried quitting Right and then yeah, it's just, it's just Well. But then that's the addictive personality.
Speaker 3:Right, but still.
Speaker 2:But even with everything that's going on you still, it still has that much power over you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's insane. And I mean I guess I mean, if you're going to be able to vape to get off of the nicotine, all right, you know I'm saying to to break that habit, then so be it. Like you said, for you it was the patch, you know, for me it was actually to vape and whatnot, and but there are, I know, there are people that just they just can't even vape. I bought people vapes, bro, vape pens and the whole thing, just to get off, like with zero nicotine and a little nicotine, and they just can't stop smoking, like they, just they like it Right.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying I'm like yeah, I know so here. This says here help some quitting smoke, quit smoking. Vaping be helpful tool for people who are trying to quit smoking, but gradually reducing nicotine intake right, it's a gateway to smoking. Vaping may serve as a gateway to smoking for some, particularly among the youngest users.
Speaker 2:See yeah, now, and that's the thing though, too, among young users.
Speaker 3:So the young users so same for us with cigarettes well, I'm saying that so we were young when we started.
Speaker 2:But they shouldn't be selling. I don't think they should be selling nicotine vape over the counter.
Speaker 3:Well, it's probably only 21 in most states anyway, I would think.
Speaker 2:Well, all right, fair enough. Yeah, all right. All right, I take it back, but it's 21.
Speaker 1:See, that's how long it's been?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think it's 21. So it's the same for vaping Wherever it is for smoking. I'm pretty sure the rule is it's the same for vaping.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah. I know that I'm sure. I'm sure, but I didn't even know how old that was 18 to party.
Speaker 1:21 to drink and drink.
Speaker 3:Now it's 21 to party and drink, but you can be Right, okay.
Speaker 2:And 18 to vote. Ain't that some shit?
Speaker 3:But that's a good one though 18's a good age for that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just wild, though, like I said, just you think about people have. We know society knows that people have addictive personalities. We all do to some extent, I think.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh, definitely yeah, to some extent they're addictive. We just are better at other people. Some people are not as good as others, who can balance their life right in a way where they're able to just not, you know overindulge themselves with something and that's that's why vaping is the issue.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm sure that if it was, it's like anything else. You know, in moderation. You know it's like now. Coffee two years ago was like oh, it's good for you. It helps you out with this still you. Last week it was something different when I was watching TV. You know what I'm saying. It was like ah, coffee doesn't do this for you, it messes you up on that. You eat this kind of seafood.
Speaker 3:There's always going to be a cost. There's always a cost to everything.
Speaker 2:Because it's moderation. Right then, if I'm sorry it's not going to work, If vaping was going to, is going to, can help you quit smoking. Right, you know what I'm saying. But again, it's in moderation. It's not for you to turn around and be like you know. Like I said, the addictive part for me when it came to the vape was just how big the cloud I know.
Speaker 3:That's bad, though, because that's what you're take. Oh, that's a lot going on right, and I'm always amazed when I see it. I'm like, damn, that's bigger than any freaking bong.
Speaker 1:The only time I've ever blown out something that much is like going to like a one you ever go to like a hookah lounge no, I've never been to one you know what? The best, it's the original flavor. I always get double apple. It's called double apple because I think it's green and real apple mixed in, but it's just, it's tobacco and molasses, that's all it is in this thing. And then they put but it's.
Speaker 3:It's tobacco molasses. Tobacco is bad for you, period right, but in this case is it more natural in the sense where it doesn't have all the no, I don't chemicals or anything, and it's like it's grown, you know like you can get tobacco like that. People can buy that in the store, but it's tobacco and molasses.
Speaker 1:So it looks like it's like sugar coated, it looks like candy coated tobacco really. And then they put the tinfoil on top of it. That's where I'm more concerned about the tinfoil anyway, um, and like breathing it in. You know it's breathing in heavy aluminum. And then they put the uh coal on top of it and when you go to a real place they have the real coals, like they have real coal brick, not some places get the little self-lighting briquettes and in the beginning it tastes shitty and then it gets better. But, like when they put the one they come out with where they actually like have coals from a fire, oh, not match light, yeah, they got like the wood coals you know, and they put them on.
Speaker 1:It's just better quality, but yeah Right. That was a big thing for a little while in it, you just go, you take a big breath and you and because it's cooled from the water, you don't realize it, it's you know, and you, just, you, just blow this giant oh my god, no, I couldn't do that man, you know.
Speaker 3:But if people enjoy that, but I think that it not is it big still hookah?
Speaker 1:if you go to middle eastern places yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, even here, I think there's a half of the places yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know there's a half of the places here. You would see places wherever you go.
Speaker 1:I don't, you know. It's been years, though I haven't gone in like yeah, haven't gone out yeah, you know gone to.
Speaker 3:I don't even think you could be be too old for the hookah.
Speaker 1:I remember they had them but I remember that was when the smoking laws kind of were getting a little tough. So I don't know.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:But maybe outside that, yeah, you probably. But I don't know We'll have to look into that one day.
Speaker 2:See, maybe we'll go to a hookah lounge and tobacco. I thought that it was all the stuff that they put into the tobacco. That, for the cigarettes, is what made it bad. I didn't know that. No, tobacco is bad for you period.
Speaker 3:But if it has no additives it's better, Then it's way better than smoking the other shit that they put in it. Yeah, so when they grew tobacco, regularly grew it and they smoked it. It was a different. You know not that it was good for them.
Speaker 1:But they regularly grew it and they smoked it. It was a different, you know. Not that it was good for them, but they also weren't smoking it non-stop right they were just like.
Speaker 2:It was like they had a bed right and they would roll themselves most of the time when they first, you know, and then or a pipe.
Speaker 1:Or a pipe you know right. Yeah, that's you know they would. Yeah, I don't think you can still get those. I think they sell those kind of cigarettes in these cigarette stores, it's still smoking, smoking, smoking.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:I thought that like basically just taking a tobacco leaf, you know, right off of the plant itself and you smoke that that was legit, that you were good. Now dry it out, and then you know, I didn't know that the tobacco was bad for you. Oh, I'm saying the tobacco leaf itself. I think it was all the stuff that they added to. It is where it was at.
Speaker 3:Well, they made it worse. Yeah, they just added to it. Okay, okay okay, got it. Got it. Got it Because I remember my father smoked Camels, my mother smoked Chesterfields my uncle smoked.
Speaker 2:My God, I can't remember. There's a bunch of them Anyway these are cigarettes without filters.
Speaker 3:Man. Oh yeah, these are cigarettes that would make you Start spinning and you'd fall down and probably puke.
Speaker 1:That's what they would do to you. I used to work with a guy, my father smoked more down in the nubby he smoked camels. He smoked filterless camels.
Speaker 3:Yeah, chesterfields, chesterfields. He smoked the filterless camels. Yeah, chesterfields, what was he pulling? Chesterfields, chesterfields. My mother smoked Chesterfields. Those things are crazy, those cigarettes back then, like I said, without filters. And then Marlboro started and then the filters came in and all that other stuff.
Speaker 1:You know, when the filters first came out, people were paranoid about them. Some people were like anti-filter Were they really.
Speaker 3:I'm not surprised, I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1:People being anti. Whatever you know, it's always something.
Speaker 3:It's got to be somebody to be anti-something.
Speaker 2:Well, because the word was that the fiberglass in the filter, that's like I used to smoke Newports, that's what it was with glass in the filter and that's like I used to smoke Newports, that's what it was, that you know. So I thought I was done.
Speaker 3:I'm going to smoke.
Speaker 2:Newport lights, but it didn't matter because I was buying freaking Newport 100 lights Lights 100.
Speaker 3:I smoked Marlboro too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, dude, get out of here. That's like a hole in the chest. The 100s?
Speaker 1:were they just bigger filters? I don't remember the a hole in the chest the 100s were they just bigger filters? I don't remember.
Speaker 3:I mean, the filters are bigger on them. Funny Now we went right from vaping to smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what was the name of the movie, though, real quick. Fifth Element Right.
Speaker 1:Chris Rock no, no.
Speaker 2:It was Bruce Willis. And then he turned around and he was getting the cigarettes. When he hit the button to get the cigarettes and the filter was that long. The filter was like you know. It was an inch long, it was a 100. And it was like that three quarters of the cigarette was filtered. One of my favorite movies, by the way, freaking hilarious man, Freaking hilarious, but yeah, so like I said, but again and even still, with that movie everybody was smoking. It wasn't even like nobody was Right.
Speaker 3:But that's where it's gone to now. That's what it's gone to now. Oh, speaking of vaping.
Speaker 1:You know, the first type of vaping was dry herb vaping.
Speaker 2:Dry herb vaping. I remember hearing about that.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's officially the first, but that was the first I heard. Okay, I remember in the 90s or early 2000s you hear about vaping weed. But you'd put the weed weed in it and it would make vape somehow out of the weed itself.
Speaker 3:Okay, as we're now, it's, it's, it's like a oil. It's an oil now, right, right, yeah right yeah, see, but then that.
Speaker 1:But then that's how you distillate, they call it oil right, but that's the, it's the resin from the uh, from the weed, yeah, but then this the old school ones were like you'd actually put, like you'd buy, like you know, a bag of weed and put it in this chamber, and but it wasn't portable, it was like a thing oh right, you know it was the beginning yeah, it was the early stages you see, and then got you yeah, yeah, no, no, that makes sense now you can still buy them if you look online.
Speaker 1:They're called dry herb vape. Really Vapors, vaporizer.
Speaker 2:So now this just makes sense then, because I was like how to put nicotine into the vape juice. So it's pouring quite an amount of nicotine, so you would get the nicotine and shoot it into the bottle, shake it and then you pour it into the vape juice Because you can make your own. That was one of the things too, with vaping.
Speaker 1:I was able to make my own vape juice.
Speaker 2:We had the whole thing, me and one of my boys we could do all that stuff. He liked cigarettes and he just didn't want to smell like a cigarette, so he would just go and get the vape juice. I'm like ew man.
Speaker 1:The idea is to get away from the nicotine man. What are you doing, bro? I mean, that's the advantage to a vaping, is you don't?
Speaker 2:smell Right.
Speaker 1:That is another pro, that is true.
Speaker 2:Again. So I think that's, but then all right. So boom, people aren't so much trying to quit the habit as they are just trying not to smell like the habit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it's cleaner in a sense that way.
Speaker 3:That's why it's accepted in some places, but I think now wherever you go, they say no smoking, no vaping period.
Speaker 2:Yeah, is there any such thing as secondhand vape smoke?
Speaker 1:You know what? It is, I think.
Speaker 3:It says it. They're saying that it's not Go ahead. Finish your thought and I'll do it, my thing is it.
Speaker 1:I think if, like, there weren't those giant vape clouds, right, probably wouldn't say if they were like small, like vape, that like the space before it goes near anybody. But you know, you got, is you got the guy who's go look like a dragon right?
Speaker 3:right then you, you know right, you can't do that. People have to be respectful and conscious of their, their environment. You know what I mean? You got to be respectful. You can't just, you know, be blowing your shit all over the place.
Speaker 1:That's why I think they probably just make it right too.
Speaker 3:Uh, you guys were just talking about this customization, right? Users can choose from a wide variety of flavors, nicotine strengths and devices to customize the vaping experience. Right, right, and then we go here. Not risk-free. Some e-cigarette liquids contain harmful substances like um I don't know how to pronounce this, so forgive me diacetyl, heavy metals and other toxins yeah, see, that's.
Speaker 3:That's the wild part man, and you have to be, they tell you. I think the big thing is to be mindful where you're buying it from, who you're buying it from, because I guess there are companies that don't use this stuff to help. If people want to still smoke, they're getting more stuff that doesn't have all the crap in it, like the tobacco we were talking about earlier.
Speaker 2:Right, right, right, yeah, see, that's what I mean. But it still is bad fuel If you're doing it every once in a blue moon.
Speaker 3:I mean probably you're still bad for you I would have to say the same as smoking, but probably be bad for you.
Speaker 1:The thing is like vaping on its own like if it's just literally like glycerin, it's really not that bad, but it's oh shit.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying Because all it is is vegetable glycerin Right, that's what creates the vape, the vape. So if you just had unflavored vegetable glycerin, it probably I mean, it's still not good for your lungs to be putting, you know, something other than air in your lungs, but like it wouldn't be as bad. You know, it really wouldn't be that bad, but it tastes nasty, it tastes oily, it tastes that bad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nasty it tastes, oily it tastes it tastes almost.
Speaker 3:That's why people want the flavor. That's what you have to put the flavor in it to get it.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. I used to make it so we would buy the glycerin, yeah, and then add the flavor to it. And, bro, when I told you, it was almost like um, if, if you've ever had grease, if you ever have or anything. Aren't boring me or anything you got me doing it now, thanks bro so when you have, when you take oil, like, say you deep fried some food or whatever and the piece of meat or whatever, it just has that nasty oily.
Speaker 2:That's what the glycerin basically tastes like that's fair that's the only thing I can think to compare it to. But that's what I said. So we would buy it. Because we're thinking you know what it's almost like rolling your own cigarette. You know what I mean. You get it, it's gonna be, you know, there's less toxins and not all that other crazy shit in there, because you're buying the straight tobacco and for me too, like I always want to know where my shit's coming from, because right vegan thing.
Speaker 3:So like right, I mean. So you're very conscious, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know. You know some of the flavors. If they're like, you know they're from animals right, right, which hey makes sense, because you find the weirdest shit like there's like, not for flavoring but for scents, there's a lot of vanilla. Right, that is actually from like, uh, secretions from like beaver anus, it's sorry excuse me, yeah, yeah, yeah. Apparently, if you lifted a beaver's tail and smelt its ass, it would smell like vanilla. Uh, it's dope listen it is the weirdest thing I ever heard and I verified it online.
Speaker 1:You know and looked up like from real sources and like it's what's a real source like who the hell is smelling beaver ass right now grab that beaver boy, come here yeah, not scientists, but you know what I mean. Like I, I know we're just fucking with. You know what I mean. But like yeah, it's not just like someone made it up, like it it's legit, like they that's freaking great, yeah, see.
Speaker 2:Well, going back to what I asked before about, no, no, no, it's okay.
Speaker 1:I know it's okay, but I'm just saying like that's why I want to make sure I know where those shits are.
Speaker 2:No, that makes sense too, and most people should no-transcript flavors come from different things, and then the shortcut of whatever will come from something different. You know, to get that taste, that smell, that whatever. So yeah, and I get it. That makes sense, that that makes sense. But so now you can get secondhand nicotine smoke. I believe it, so I believe it, but then again that goes with everything else that you smoke in the vape right right but they like now every there's a designated area for that right.
Speaker 3:So everywhere you go you have that and it's always away from right for everything and everybody else Right. And you know when everybody's under the tent or in that area or whatever it is so. I think if you vape or smoke it doesn't matter. Of course you know, yeah, but I just That'd be funny.
Speaker 1:Aren't you happy you don't do it anymore? Yeah, I'm a vaper. I don't want to be. I'm different. I'm a different guy.
Speaker 2:He doesn't get it. Listen, whatever dumbass. Listen. I'll tell you this. When I think about even wanting to vape again, I don't, you know like, ah, I wonder, maybe I could you know. It's just vaping, you know. Now I'm like, eh, I'm good, I don't want to do that shit anymore. You know what I mean. I'm good, eh, I'm good, I don't want to do that shit anymore. You know what I mean. I'm good, you know, and I just wish that. The point of me saying that was that I wish that people could break that habit. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Yeah, sure there are, but you know like it's a cycle, right. So now, when you started smoking, how old were you?
Speaker 2:18.
Speaker 3:I was younger, yeah, I was like 17, 18. Yeah, I was, yeah, and then some of that I smoked for a while and then I finally quit. I'm glad I quit, but now it's the same thing, right? So it's young people who get onto something, right? Um, maybe it's because one of their parents smoked, or maybe it's because they maybe they don't come to my house at all, people smoke and they just hanging out, whoever, and they just like it. You know just. However, you pick it up and then one thing leads to another and next thing you know, you're in the fucking going down the rabbit hole. You're like I can't get away from this shit.
Speaker 2:It's a fad. That's the problem.
Speaker 3:You know, you get hooked. The fad becomes hooked, Right you get hooked.
Speaker 2:It's like, oh man, you know, you know gas stations and wherever else that they're talking about that kids are buying these things. They shouldn't be selling to the kids you know I mean.
Speaker 3:Well, they already right, they can't sell them.
Speaker 2:It's regularly, like we said earlier yeah, but I mean, but that's what they're saying, the, the. They think that's what I think. Why I got so crazy not a hand, and people were talking so much about it was because kids were able to go into right in the beginning.
Speaker 3:In the beginning it was yeah, yeah, so they've definitely working on that and making sure at least I hope they are yeah I know I heard, but yeah um, but yeah, it has to be like tobacco.
Speaker 3:You have to. It has to be because it's the same thing. It's just a different way of doing it, a different device, another way to get it. You're still getting the nicotine right, right, so you're not fooling anybody, it's just another way that people are attracted to, so then that's what they get. First it was the cigarette, right, yeah, cool, you know the whole freaking thing. Sorry, I ever did it right, yeah, yeah, but yeah, hopefully people will come to their senses, you know. But the vaping it's just funny how, when, like we were saying earlier, the, the cloud, the thing with the, just the amount of smoke or whatever is coming out, is astonishing to me, because I don't think ever, even smoking cigarettes, you could ever have that much smoke come out?
Speaker 3:No, you couldn't but it's a different smoke, it's a different kind of smoke. I understand, that's what I'm saying so, not to say that ours was any better or any less you know, not worse than theirs. Maybe you know it's bad period, but when you see it you're like god damn, how did he get all of that?
Speaker 2:in there. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:It's like whew, yeah, and it's like, oh huge. You know what I mean? It's scary.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's what the ooh was. You know what I'm saying, that's what the you know. Like I said, that's why I went big, because I I had a little crazy little thing.
Speaker 3:But does it do anything for you?
Speaker 1:It was just that habit my brother-in-law. He used to work at a vape place, but he had this one where you had to drip it on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it was a powerful one too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man it wasn't one that had a cartridge. You had a dropper and you had to drip it on and then vape it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, and then vape it, yeah, okay, so the mod, like I said, is the battery, and then the battery came and you can adjust the battery to how much electricity how much burn it was going to be Okay, and then you would have this little tube.
Speaker 2:So, depending on which one you had, it was a little tank. In the tank you would pour in the juice and then, and, or, if you put them together, there was cotton in it, yeah, yeah. And then you would pour whatever flavors and whatnot and, depending on what your mixture was, you'd pour it in there, hit that and you would have that monster thing. And then what made it even more attractive is because you remember, with cigarettes you would smoke a cigarette and you could make the smoke rings and stuff. Now you're making these super monster smoke rings with the vape. And it was a, it was white, so you could see the white. Yeah, because you could see the vape. Yeah, you could see a lot better than you can with a cigarette smoke.
Speaker 3:Cigarette smoke burned a little bit more it was different, it was a weird, yeah yeah, yeah, so that then you know that's what the whole oh this is generation.
Speaker 2:Man, it's different, you know this is where it is right now and I'm gonna tell you what you, what man it was fun vaping. It was fun, you know, with the flavors and stuff and mixing and finding, and to me, that's what so many people that I know that even still vape, that's what the attraction is. You know what I mean. It's not even just so much the nicotine that's in it. You know, like I said, I can have a cherry Coke. I can have a cherry coke.
Speaker 3:I can have pop tart flavor, I can have, you know, candies and hers, but that's the thing. They do that on purpose to attract you. So you grab it. Yeah, oh, what they got the you go and you get it and the next, you know, and they're like yeah, yeah, and in the dough, and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:If people just I mean, I guess it doesn't matter whether there's nicotine in it or not you, you know what I mean Nicotine, alcohol, whatever it is that floats your boat.
Speaker 3:You know Everybody has their vice right. But I think if you're smart about what you're doing or not doing in excess, then maybe you know what I mean. Like just there's no way to say you can't enjoy life Whatever. If that's what you do. That's what you do. Fine, can't enjoy life whatever, if that's what you do, that's what you do. Fine, yeah, you know what I mean but I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Is there any, really any balance to it at all? Not when you think about when it comes to that smoke. No right not to not to smoke any smoking, really not to smoke yeah, when you're smoking tobacco.
Speaker 2:I don't think there is any real you know, upside to to smoking tobacco. You know, I haven't heard heard anybody been next to anybody to smell afterwards or whatever. That it's like oh, it's no big deal, it's just all good, it's whatever. I was having a drink and it's all good. Nah, man, there's just nothing attractive about it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:As soon as I smell it, I'm like, oh my God.
Speaker 2:In the car.
Speaker 1:How come it doesn't smell? Why can't it smell good? I don't know. You know what I mean. It's a good question. Why does it stink so bad?
Speaker 3:Maybe it's good that it doesn't though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, because you know what actually smells.
Speaker 2:You ever when someone's smoking it, when it's burning, right, because later on it stinks? Oh, it still does. Yeah, the tobacco in the pipe itself, whatever you don't clean it out, oh wow, okay, interesting yeah, yeah, yeah, I only know that too, because again, that was you know some of the other shit I tried out just to. I said just to try to get away from smoking a cigarette again.
Speaker 3:Thinking right well, they said that's what they were saying in here that some people have used it and if it works, hey, listen, I'm not against anything to quit something.
Speaker 3:In other words and as long as you get off the other one, If you use the one to kind of get you off of something like you're smoking, right. So you did the vaping, fine, and you did it for a little while, but you only did it for a couple of years and then you realize I don't need to do this anymore and then you were done. That's a good thing. It's would suck if you went from one fucking thing and then you got stuck on the other thing, and then you never stopped that thing.
Speaker 3:So the whole purpose of what you were doing was to you know if you can do that, great. Then I'm saying do whatever it works, whatever works for you to stop, yeah, and vice versa. So if it's the other way around for some reason I don't think it would be, but you never know then just you know do it in reverse, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, listen, I'll tell you what, man, I agree with you a gazillion percent. Like seriously, if there's a way to turn around and not have to do it or whatever you know, just don't do it, don't do it, don't do it. Bad habits are super hard to break, man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they say that people who were on heroin and drugs of that nature when they're finding that by using cannabis helps them get off of it easier.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 3:And they get through the process where they're not. They don't want to go back the detox, the detoxification.
Speaker 1:They use that to help them.
Speaker 3:So that's why I'm saying that's interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, years ago it was drug-free. And they say no, but they say it's really helpful.
Speaker 3:Maybe we'll do a thing on that. On our podcast We'll get a bunch of different topics and we'll do it. But yes, and it helps them and then they do better than someone who would actually well most I should say I don't want to say better because that's not true, you know everybody has their own way to do it differently.
Speaker 3:Let's just say they're doing it differently and it works very well, okay, and um, and it helps them get them off. However, it works, it does it? They're not getting the cravings they would normally get, or whatever. It helped, I guess it curves that it does, and I and I'm all for for that. That's the whole point I'm bringing it up. Is that anything that works for somebody to get off with it's drinking, smoking, any what you got, just figure it out and then just know that that thing that's helping you is only going to be short-lived.
Speaker 3:It's only there to help you to get on to the next step. Yeah, because you have a goal.
Speaker 2:That's basically it. Yeah, definitely. That's why yeah, I didn't even know that that's. That's pretty groovy and that's it makes sense because you, because what the, the cannabis helps with nausea and stuff like that probably a bunch of stuff, right?
Speaker 3:yeah, probably body aches and right I don't know, I've never, so I don't want to speak about it because I don't, you know, have everything in front of me to to speak to it. But I do know of it and I think that's fantastic, because if that helps somebody, then I'm like, oh, so they're using it for something good. So when it's good, the people hopefully people change their mind on it and they look at it differently you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, because I know that cancer patients use it when they absolutely that's what I'm saying it does they smoke weed to help them for the with the pain and right, and I think it's also so they can eat hungry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right for hunger for the pain for the nausea and whatnot yeah, so that, then that makes sense for those who are detoxing from heavy drugs, you know, from the heroin or whatever, because whatever they were doing, yeah bro yeah, it's no joy no, I know a few people who've gone through that and it was just seeing them.
Speaker 3:It was rough, you know, I mean, and you know they would go to the methadone places and they would do that. That kind of worked too for a little while, but then they got. I think they got hooked on the methadone, Wasn't?
Speaker 1:that a big problem later on, or something like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, still is, but they don't have that. With this, though, with the cannabis, you don't have that hooked.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:It's the same thing. And you don't have that hook, right, it's the same thing, and you know. Now the cannabis it makes it easier. Now, of course, it makes cannabis legal. I'm sure those people can get it because of the situation they're in, because it's medical, so you know. But if it helps, man, yeah, do it. I say don't give up, just keep going do it. I quit smoking 29 years, I think it is right now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I lost count. I figured it out the other day. I'm like, wow, that's awesome. Yeah, I would never go back. Dude, I wake up in a cold sweat If I have a dream of me smoking.
Speaker 2:I'm like oh my God, oh, it's just a dream.
Speaker 3:Thank, God, Because in your mind you're like I can't believe I smoked Really and you go through the. It freaked me the hell out, I'm like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, what I did have that I had a little bit of a thing for was like the little cigars, like the Black and Mouse is long, thin.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Because it's got the wooden tip and it's, you know, the wooden, what you call it and it's got the flavor. So you know, when I went to Puerto Rico back in February, they smell better than they taste.
Speaker 3:I was in Mexico.
Speaker 1:They smell better than they taste?
Speaker 2:Yeah, they do. Oh, yeah, definitely. But when I went to PR I went and I got they had flavored cigars, so it was rum flavor and they had cherry and whatnot. So me and the company, I would smoke on with you. We had yeah, I did that, For sure, but and I had them, you know, probably lasted me six freaking months.
Speaker 3:My brother and I went to Mexico, you know, just hanging out and chilling, and they have the people that come on the beach and they had cigarettes and stuff my brother's like they had the cigars and they had the. I forgot what smell it was, but they were fantastic, you know, I just like yeah, I'll deal with that, you know. I was confident at that point that it over.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are the ones that say they was. They were rolled on the thighs of virgin women right, yes, exactly that whole thing. Yes, just the best cigars you would ever want to have, yeah, but so, with that, don't vape, let it go, stay off of it, stay off of it, stay off of the stuff. Man don't do it, man, that's great. So with that, so, gentlemen, thank you for being here with me. Appreciate you guys.
Speaker 3:Love peace and hair grease Live long and prosper and go vegan Holla.
