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Harnessing the Power of Fasting: Transformative Techniques, Health Benefits, and Fitness Synergy
Unlock the secrets of fasting's transformative power on your body and mind. Discover how strategic fasting methods like the 16-8, 19-6, and OMAD can be effective tools for weight loss and boosting insulin sensitivity. Through the lens of biology, we'll guide you in understanding the crucial roles hormonal changes and autophagy play in enhancing overall health. Whether you're a fasting novice or a seasoned practitioner, you'll learn how to integrate fasting into your daily routine mindfully and reap its full benefits without falling prey to common pitfalls.
Explore the myriad health benefits fasting offers, from aiding in fat burning and enhancing mental clarity to potentially reducing cancer risks and slowing aging. We'll address challenges such as the keto flu and misconceptions about metabolism, providing insights into how fasting can maintain normal metabolic rates. For those interested in biohacking, fasting emerges as a powerful tool to harness in high-pressure environments, offering a contemporary take on an ancient practice that continues to evolve.
Finally, we delve into the synergistic effects of fasting and fitness, with a nod to Hugh Jackman's workout timing strategy for optimal results. You'll hear personal stories of fasting transformations, tips for avoiding post-fast overeating, and the importance of discipline and lifestyle changes. With insights into spiritual practices and careful dietary choices, this episode is a comprehensive guide to fasting, encouraging informed decision-making and emphasizing the value of community support on your fasting journey.
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Welcome to Copping Corporate. I'm the Jersey Guy. I'm Lewis here with Kenny and your favorite guy, jersey Guy Tom. Get ready for another round of Real Talk, crazy Stories and everything in between. How are you, gentlemen?
Speaker 2:All right, all right, all right, Good man, we're doing good, yes, yes, yeah, sorry. Yeah, man, All right, cool yeah. So we're doing good, yes, yes. Yeah, sorry, yeah, man, all right, cool. Yeah, we always have a good time.
Speaker 3:We always have a good time. I was going to say before we had to restart.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we had to restart. We thought we were recording.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Sorry, my bad. So we seem a little like we recorded like five or six minutes.
Speaker 3:It's hysterical. No, it was only like three. It was only like three. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw the clock.
Speaker 1:Cool, so it was like it wasn't 10.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, no, no, it was like two, three minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that hurts.
Speaker 2:So our show tonight episode is yes, it is going to be on fasting, yes, and I am well. There are many different types of fasting, so I figure I'll start with what's very popular now is intermittent fasting. People are doing it, you can work into your daily life, it's very easy to do so. The most common one of intermittent fasting is called 16-8. So 16-8 is where you have a 16-hour fasting window and an eight hour eating window. So typically what people do is they'll do, they'll have their cutoff time, say 7 PM. That's no, no more eating after that, right.
Speaker 2:Then you don't eat till lunchtime, which you want to eat an earlier lunch, usually like 11 AM, or you can do 12, but that would just close your eating window to like a 17, seven or whatever. You know what I mean. But either way so, and just you do that just every day, you know. And then that's just. You just make that part of your daily routine and the way you eat. And people lose weight that way because they're essentially skipping a meal. So they're just calorie reduction, right, but I thought Super healthy for you too, though, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, that's when you start getting into the more deeper fastings and we'll talk about that in a bit. We'll get into that. All right, cool.
Speaker 3:Well, I thought that fasting not so much fasting but like people that were fasting, that your body starts to crave those nutrients. So let's just say, like you skip lunch or you skip dinner, then now your next meal pretty much is going to be what your body's going to store, which, then, is what creates fat.
Speaker 2:No, I can. I can explain that there's actually a your when your body goes into. What's the word I'm looking for? Like you're, you're in a fasting state but this is for, like deeper fasting, your body goes into a fasted state. Um, what happens is is your body starts secrecing different hormones and there's a hormone your body creates that, uh, I think, I think it's, that's what it is um.
Speaker 2:So let's see so don't if I'm correct me if I'm wrong anybody watching a video of us or listening to it. But, um, so your body, oh no, it stops secreting a hormone or whatever, or something like that, when you, when you, um, yeah, hold on, let's just not guess, yeah, because uh so what happens is, though, is now your body starts. Oh, you burn up. Oh, that's right, you burn up all the sorry we smoked earlier.
Speaker 1:So hang on. So I got some stuff here If you want me to help you out. So blood sugar and insulin levels Fasting lowers blood sugar and insulin levels, enhancing insulin sensitivity. Then you have cellular repair Autopathy. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:Autophagy. There you go, autophagy.
Speaker 1:Autophagy is a big thing in fasting Cells clean and out damage components reducing inflammation and aging related damage, which is positive. Then you have hormonal changes, ketosis, a reduction of oxidative stress yeah, so I figured I'd get into all that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely no, go for it. We'll get more into like the biological things I figured like later on right figure, we go through first what type of the fasting windows there are. So some people will do like a six-hour eating window. Help me with the math here.
Speaker 3:I guess it was 17-8, and then it would be 19-6.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or whatever, but they'll do a six-hour eating window, or sometimes they'll shorten it to a four-hour eating window. And then you have what some people do, and's the they call the OMAD diet, which is one meal a day, and you just eat like one meal a day, but like For five days, yeah, or as long as some people do it for whatever amount of time they want. Some people do that as their like daily life like forever.
Speaker 2:They eat one meal a day. But I just have to. You know anybody just listening when you do that, you have to be really careful research it because and check it out.
Speaker 2:That's all. When you eat one meal a day, you have to eat a big meal in order to get all your nutrients. So that's the thing too. You have to remember that. But on the flip side, when you come, if you decide you're going to not do one meal a day anymore, you're doing it for it for a short amount of time. You become used to eating large meals, and then you want to eat bigger meals.
Speaker 2:for the next meal Later on right, and so you can have overeating issues. So any type of fasting, when you break your fast, you need to make sure you don't overeat, because it's very, very easy to fall into this habit of overeating, and that's actually happened to me before Right, and I had to like self-correct it. So, and that's it would make sense, though.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's a really thing you know thing you have to just be conscious Because you're anticipating it.
Speaker 2:I mean, especially if it's getting close to the end you're like all right, so now I and then there's something called water fasting and that's extended fasting. I've done them too, where I'll do like a five-day water fast, but you have to remember to have salt, magnesium and potassium, because those are nutrients that your body needs, otherwise you get sore, you get a little lightheaded and loopy. They actually have a fasting supplement that I take. So, anybody, listen to this, this is not any medical advice. You know.
Speaker 1:This is what you do and other people need to research their stuff and figure them out you have to be careful with this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3:Do your research before you do anything. Everybody's body's different. Everybody reacts to this stuff differently. We're just telling you about it and what I've experienced.
Speaker 2:But, like you know, if you're thinking about doing it, just do your research.
Speaker 1:You know if you got to consult, if you have a medical issue. How long have you been fasting for, though?
Speaker 2:For a while now, yeah, I started doing it like 2018. Oh, so that's a nice that's a positive like I stopped like sometimes I'll eat breakfast. I'll eat three meals a day. Sometimes I'm not like religious about it, you know what I mean. I just you know. Just you know, sometimes I'll do it, sometimes I won't I got it right, you got it um, but I've done the extended ones. I've done water fast. I've done five day water fasts that's gotta be rough.
Speaker 2:I've done is seven days, but again I take a fasting supplement and you have to take a lot Like you have to take a lot. I need the water to take the supplements you have to take, like four pills like three times a day, and it's got like salt, magnesium and potassium in it, and that's all you're having for these days only liquid and water and black coffee and plant-based.
Speaker 3:Okay, but that's all. So there's no actual food, no food, no food at all for seven days, only water. Now, how fast do you lose the weight, kind of thing? Because that's basically Very fast, very fast, but I'll explain what happens.
Speaker 2:So your body starts going into a fasted state.
Speaker 1:You go into ketosis, right? Yeah, I'm reading it right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, go into ketosis about 12 to 36 hours, 12 to 36 hours 36 hours. Once you're over the two or three day window, it's smooth sailing, because what happens is your body now goes into ketosis and starts burning fat, and that's what we store, fat right for a rainy day, but we never take rainy days because we live in a modern civilization where we have an abundance of food, but right now we do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So now we. So it's something our body is designed to do fasting that's why we store fat, but when you don't have a rainy day or not rainy day, I guess. Yeah, yeah, I know Periods of starvation or you know, just there's like no food, you know Right, because that's what happens when you're hunting and gathering. So what happens is your body starts burning fat because it unlocks that access when you go into ketosis.
Speaker 1:Well, we have some of this you can use. That's what the body says.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, right. And what happens is it's crazy when you go into because first you have like the keto flu. First couple of days are a little rough because you get cold. You get, you know it's the worst. But then, once you get past that, when you go into ketosis, what happens is you start getting warm because you're cold when you're fasting those first couple of days and you start getting warm again and your brain is in like super mode.
Speaker 2:I swear to you, when you are fasting and your body goes into ketosis, your brain is like really alert and very like you're like, it's like almost like superpowers. It's crazy, that's what they say there's people in like, out in like, uh, silicon valley, that biohack and they'll. When they're doing these big coding things, they'll fast so their brain can be in going. They'll fast so their brain can be and go into ketosis so their brain can be a little more Right.
Speaker 3:That's pretty cool, so it's better to start that on a Friday after work. But there's also something that I what's that it's better to start it on like the weekend, so that this way you know I mean for those who work a Monday through- Friday Unless working, it does help you get through, but then you're burning a lot of energy.
Speaker 1:well, no, because then?
Speaker 3:you mess. But I'm saying because then, well, yeah, you're running the energy, but then if you're going to have that first day or two that you're saying would be, you know your mind, kind of like slowing down a little bit until you hit the ketosis yeah that's why I'm saying you do it on the weekend yeah, yeah, if you started on the weekend, you're good I right with.
Speaker 2:I found it harder for me on the weekends. I found monday through friday to be the best, because you're working and you're busy, so you're mine, there's somewhere else, because what happens is you don't after you get past like the day one or two days that period when you're going to get those, you don't get hungry anymore you're like not even hungry anymore. It's really weird. But you do crave foods. It's weird like you're not physically hungry. But you're like man, I could.
Speaker 3:I just wish I could bite into something yeah, or whatever you like, you know what I mean. So, yeah, because, like I said, I was always under the impression that if you fasted as opposed to um portion control, yeah, yeah, that then you know your body, anything that you ate, your body would store, especially if you didn't exercise or you're not moving around at your job yeah.
Speaker 2:So there's actually like opposing, like it's weird. There's like there's like scientific evidence that says the opposite, that, like calorie restrictive diets are uh slow down your metabolism right, because like your body is uh saying that your body's telling you there's like a scarcity of food so it's trying to preserve right as where when you're fasting, your body goes, oh time to burn the fat, and then when you go off it, you're back into your normal metabolic rate.
Speaker 1:It might take a little while to kick back in here, right, you know, and there's things too about just yeah, it makes sense refeeding is another thing too.
Speaker 2:So there's something there's if you fast for more than like two weeks. So this is like really people, people doing really hardcore fasting. You have to take a supplement. I forget what it is. It's phosphate or something like that. Like I said, just look this up. Do you ever hear of this one Refeeding syndrome?
Speaker 1:Is this? It A reduction in oxidative stress, decreased production of free radicals which can damage cells. In other words, if you go to the next level ketosis that's the next level.
Speaker 2:Yeah well, this is, this is what I was going to get into. So there's people that therapeutic fast and there's, there's some evidence. There's uh, I don't know how much scientific evidence there is but people say that they do it for like to like prevent cancers and stuff like that. But radicals, free radicals- and things like that.
Speaker 2:Real right it's called autophagy, and and the and the. There was a doctor who actually got a um from japan that got like a nobel prize for discovering autophagy through fasting, because there it is anti-cancerous. Uh, there are um and it also kind of reverses aging a little bit too. So what happens is your body goes through autophagy and it starts cleaning up all the dead cells in your body, where the new cells, the healthy cells, start consuming these old cells or partial cells.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of garbage in your blood.
Speaker 2:It starts consuming that and it starts cleaning up your blood. It starts cleaning everything up. Nice, your skin gets a little tighter. They've actually done studies where your skin gets tighter and stuff like that. So it's pretty cool, pretty cool, so some people will do that super discipline, if you can do that you'd be like a real health nut, or yeah, I don't want to offend anybody.
Speaker 2:No, I mean, I think yeah, when I say that's amazing I mean that in a good way, you know, like, like you're really into like the health scene. And that's the seven day. Yeah, they say autophagy starts after three days. They say three days and beyond is autophagy. And then there's, you know, there's more evidence that, like these really prolonged fasts, but, again, you have to take a special supplement for refeeding, because if you-.
Speaker 1:You need certain nutrients regardless. So when you do it, you have to have them forget.
Speaker 2:I forget what happens, but like, if you haven't eaten food for like a certain amount of time, your body, something happens in your body so you got to take a certain supplement so you don't get refeeding syndrome right which.
Speaker 1:What is that explain?
Speaker 2:uh, actually, do you want to look it up? I don't have my phone with me. Sure, refeeding syndrome refeeding syndrome. Yeah, so it's an actual thing that can happen, but it's you have to like fast for like two weeks, right?
Speaker 3:so now what? I'm only because I'm gonna ask it like this when people do it okay, do they really do they stay with the weight loss? Are they doing it for, uh, weight loss? Are they doing it for, like, uh, some people for weight loss?
Speaker 2:I. I did it for weight loss um but there's some people who do it for like those health benefits and those reasons, like there's some people that like will fast, like do a prolonged fast, like every quarter, you know, like every like three months. They'll do like a like a one week fast. That makes sense. Makes sense. Some people do it once a month, okay. Okay, what do we got here?
Speaker 1:Refeeding syndrome is a potentially dangerous condition that can occur when someone has been fasting, malnourished or severely undernourished begins to eat again. The rapid reintroduction of food, particularly carbohydrates, can cause a sudden shift in fluid and electrolyte balances, leading to serious complications.
Speaker 2:So you have to take the special side.
Speaker 1:You probably have to, and you got to go slow. You can't just go to town. As for weight loss, look up, if you ask me, body's still in shock, right?
Speaker 2:I don't have my phone on me. Look up now. Scottish man fasted for over 300 pounds or something like that. The guy was like you truly are a fat bastard. Wow, I think he was. English. Maybe I'm getting confused. Maybe I'm thinking of that, I think he was.
Speaker 3:English, I couldn't help it no more movies.
Speaker 2:Anyway, this happened in the 50s. He didn't eat for like over a year a little over a year and he, he went from like 400 and something pounds to like 180 something pounds just drinking water. And the thing is again with the skin tightness thing. He didn't have any skin that you see shut up yeah, he had normal skin what's this guy's name? Man, I don't know you can't find it.
Speaker 3:No, well, so now when? But when you do that yeah, right, so you're doing this, you do the fasting, yeah, um, you know, fine, you know. You said you lose the weight or whatever. How hard is it for you when you go back to eating food, so, like I know what, like when I'm sick and I'm done, I'm, you know, puking or whatever that that then I don't eat the same way I did?
Speaker 2:last week. That's the cool thing too, is you? Actually, when you come out of a five-day fast, you actually develop better eating habits if your first meal is healthy, because you haven't had a week of your old eating habits so you can train your mind into eating a little healthier. So that's another hack too. It's a five day fast and then, and not only that, you got to do have to start eating slowly Like you can't eat.
Speaker 1:Right, you got to keep it slow because your body's still going.
Speaker 2:I follow what Dr Fung said. He's actually a. I didn't even get that far, sorry, but he's a nephrologist in Canada and he actually treats diabetic patients with fasting and actually has reversed some of their diabetes. Really that makes sense Through fasting. But I follow what he said and he said that when you were coming out of a fast he goes eat like a small snack, like a handful of olives or something like that, like a small low-calorie something that can right in the palm of your hand, like an hour or two before your meal.
Speaker 2:I think you said like an hour before your first meal and then, uh, it kind of like turns on your digestive system. Okay, then you can eat like a small meal after that I wouldn't eat up, don't eat big.
Speaker 3:You're gonna, you're gonna regret this exactly yeah, it's gonna hurt. You're gonna be, yeah, returning if you ever had indigestion.
Speaker 2:That's like times 10. Yeah, not fun, right, made that mistake before.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, okay now, when you drink, so can you? It's not a good idea to drink gatorade.
Speaker 2:It's just like straight water and the supplement sugar's no good, because that'll take you out of fasted state oh no it'd be bad is to keep your body in the fasted state, because if you come out of a fasted state then you don't have the autophagy. It's almost like a you should be out of ketosis. Yeah, you're like.
Speaker 1:It's like introducing yourself like a drug addict, introducing drugs back into their system the right ass thing, because they haven't done it for so long. Think of it that way in the sense where now your body is like whoa hold up and it's like not so much at one time, kind of thing. You know what I mean. Got you, got you.
Speaker 2:I also want to talk about a little bit about the weight loss. So, right, with fasting, um, when you're in a, when you're in ketosis, what'll happen is is you actually burn, on average, a half a pound of body fat a day, really just body fat, because and that's the thing too, like there's a myth about, like burn your body, like burning muscles and stuff your body doesn't do that Because and the way Dr Fung explained it, it made perfect sense he's like okay, the reason our he explained, you know the reason our bodies, you know, do this as a mechanism for, you know, times of food scarcity.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And he said if a caveman was like hunting and gathering and not eating, would he get tired and sleepy and his muscles be deteriorating and just be a big ball of fat Like, oh, you're gonna burn fat, your body's gonna preserve the muscles. Your body actually produces a growth hormone, a muscle growth hormone, to preserve you. So that's another hack two people do is when they come out of the fast, they start lifting weights.
Speaker 3:That's what I was gonna ask. Next, your body starts getting that growth hormone.
Speaker 1:Hugh Jackman did that when he was doing Wolverine. Oh, that's what his thing was.
Speaker 2:He kind of did it in such a way when he did the workout, so he would lift fast and then you lift after the first day, so you're eating protein and all that, but your muscles have that growth hormone, so they just fucking grow.
Speaker 3:So do your fasting for the three days Three or four days, three or four days and then start the workout after you start eating again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1:I don't think he was fasting, but I know when they did his workout they changed it up to where he would look tighter and everything when he was ripped from working out.
Speaker 3:Okay, but it definitely Working out while they're fasting. That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't do any heavy lifting, but some people do light lifting, some people do cardio.
Speaker 3:Well, I was trying to do calisthenics.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's on that.
Speaker 1:To do that for sure yeah. You do yoga Anything. Really it's not going to be too high impact.
Speaker 3:Right, because I don't want to be like Arnold Schwarzenegger, I don't want to be all crazy.
Speaker 1:You just want to feel good about yourself.
Speaker 3:I just want to have nifty little cuts and get back to 25 years old.
Speaker 2:You do lose a lot of water weight Right.
Speaker 3:When you step on the scale, you're like, oh my God, I lost 15 pounds, but then like eight of it will gain back in a couple days.
Speaker 2:Right, it's like right the water, your water weight, but like right understanding but again, remember that point. You know that half a pound a day on average if you're like excessively overweight, it's going to be more than half a pound.
Speaker 2:If you're like thin, right, it's going to be less, but so. So you know it's an average amount. But like, say you do a three-day fast, well, actually you got to take out the day for ketosis. So say you do a five-day fast, right, you're going to lose about four pounds of pure body fat, which four pounds of pure body fat is a lot.
Speaker 3:Right, it is, it is, it is just body fat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, is a lot right, yeah, it is just body fat. Yeah, so you can. You know when you start you're starting this, you don't really notice it. But when you start getting, when your weight starts getting down and down and down in your body fat percentage drops, right, you really start to notice each fast. Because I was doing that, I was doing some five-day fasts here and I was doing my six I remember you did a few times when we worked together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and did it a couple times.
Speaker 2:But like when you start, like right now, I've lost a lot of weight and that's not just from fasting. I've been doing a lot of other stuff too Good In fact, I've been doing in recent years. I've done less fasting. I did more in the past, but anyway. So now I'm down to like in. If I fast now for a five-day fast, four pounds of body fat is going to look a lot differently on me.
Speaker 2:You're going to be like, wow, you lost a lot of weight, tom, but like four pounds when I was like 250 pounds.
Speaker 3:You don't notice four pounds.
Speaker 1:You know you did, because you just can't see it.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I'm two pounds body fat.
Speaker 1:Two pounds. Okay, I'm sorry, whatever.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, I guess then that makes sense. No, I get it. I get it, tomato, tomato. Now, if you're doing the seven-day fast and you, after the three days, you start I'm trying to think about the muscle part so then if you wait for the three days, you start to lift weights. Yeah, when you take the supplements that you're saying, it'll still burn the body fat, give you the nourishment and you'll still feel good and be able to. It'll help to lose the fat because you're doing the workout and build the muscle.
Speaker 1:But you're already burning it. You're just burning it just from burning it. But then if you're working out at the same time, yes, but your body produces that growth hormone for the purpose of preserving your muscles. Right.
Speaker 2:But it's like a hack if your body's still producing that hormone right running through your system. So you lift when you come out of that fast, right, yeah, yeah, it's like steroids.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I'm not gonna read on that to see for natural steroids.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, right when you think about it. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna. I want to try jacked. Yeah, because I'm going on a cruise next year so your body produces it.
Speaker 3:I'm going on a cruise and I want to look nice and sexy for the cruise.
Speaker 2:But the thing I do have to stress again is the hardest part that people forget is coming out of the fast, is being mindful of your eating, because when you first come out of the fast you're not hungry at all, which is weird. When you first break your fast, after a few days, you're not hungry. It's weird eating. It feels weird. Your jaw is biting down. You haven't done it enough. It's really weird A few days, but then, once you start getting hungry again, you've got to be careful, because it's very, very easy to start overeating.
Speaker 1:Right, because that seems to be instinct when that happens.
Speaker 2:You want to start eating a lot, you want to like. You know, you realize. So that's the tricky part.
Speaker 1:We have it, boom. Let's get it now. Right, when I first started doing the 16-8,.
Speaker 2:Even when I first started doing the 16, when I would have my first meal, which would be lunch, I'd be like I got to eat, Like I was so hungry. But now I'm kind of used to it, Like you know what I mean Because I do it all the time.
Speaker 1:Well, it was the first time, so that would make sense. Of course, the way I would react to it would be like oh my God.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, Each meal for lunch, like I this. Maybe I'll have this, for sometimes I'll do that. I'll bring a couple snacks, uh, to work with me okay and if I don't eat them, I bring them back home, but I eat them all. I'd eat everything that was in my lunchbox if I packed it like.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean right, I got you so you know right. So for you, what was the best, uh slash healthiest, uh, fasting? For you, was it the three day? Is it just the intermittent?
Speaker 2:well, the five day fast I've done my seven day fast. That's rough. The seventh day I was like this is I was. I was like I was going, I was going to do two weeks.
Speaker 1:I was like going real nutty like I was like I'm gonna do two. I can see you doing that seven days.
Speaker 2:I was like look this I'm surprised you've even said that I would have made it to two you know, if you wanted something funny, because this is like really stereotypical vegan I had fantasies into biting into tofu raw tofu. I don't know why and I don't eat raw fucking tofu, but sometimes I will. If I'm cutting it up, I'll take a bite of. I don't know fucking why. I just raw tofu. I wanted to bite into raw. I was just I just kept thinking of it. It's so weird, right?
Speaker 3:it's very strange I see the little bubble over his head, right there, you know and his wife beat her yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't have one. That was it, I know that's, but anyway, yeah, yeah, I got a bunch. But fucking yeah, where's I going with that Fasting you do?
Speaker 2:great things. Your mind gets the best of you, and not only that. I wasn't taking enough of the soul. This is what I.
Speaker 1:I was early on in this, but what about people who don't need to lose weight when fasting comes and they already have a decent fat percentage as far as their physique is concerned?
Speaker 2:But they want to do it for health reasons.
Speaker 1:Right, so how does it benefit them? Does it still benefit them the same?
Speaker 2:as it would. Well, yeah, there's all the like, the ketosis and the autophagy and all that stuff.
Speaker 1:So you still have to go through that regardless.
Speaker 2:So, whatever it is, doesn't matter, that's the, that's the that's what, why people will do it that aren't that don't need to lose weight. They're doing it for the health reasons.
Speaker 1:They're doing it for the autophagy and right, right, no, that makes a lot of sense that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3:So now you say the doctor in canada, what was his name? Again, I'm sorry uh dr funk. So dr funk, for when he was doing with the people and you know, with the patients and whatnot, and it was helping them. You know, with the diabetes and such, were they getting ivs, or they were just given like they were in the hospital or whatever it was, and they just said, here's, you know, drink these waters today, take these pills. Or would they, like you said, hooked up to an iv? This way they were still getting nurt.
Speaker 2:Well, just the liquids no, no, they would have to do just regular just boom, fasting, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean they would come in, I think I think his clinic maybe they came in daily or weekly or whatever, just to you know, check on them and stuff make sure everything was good yeah, because they had to manage their diabetes so like they would come in probably daily right, because you couldn't neglect that you'd have to still pay attention to that regardless.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's crazy, though that it pretty much reversed the diabetes and once they hit the ketosis they would come off their. They would they'd have to stop taking insulin. They'd have to manage their insulin too, because once you go into ketosis you don't need insulin right, because nothing to break down anymore yeah, yeah right, nothing to break down anymore. Yeah, yeah, right, exactly Nothing to break down anymore, Otherwise your blood sugar is going to fucking die.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, yeah, you do not want that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no shit, no. So yeah, but yeah, then they just you have a baseline. I think they call it just like baseline insulin levels.
Speaker 3:Right, okay, when you're fasting, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm going yeah, I'm gonna have to read up for that from you, know. So this way it makes up on what it would be for me because I'm down to try that. It makes sense, dr fung, he's, he he's actually cured people with. Yeah, now when uh doing, and any of the fashion that you've done, what is the hardest thing for you? I know you said, like some people, they'll overeat. You know what I'm saying and eating the wrong food. You're vegan. So then what was the hardest thing for you? To like, kind of like get back into, um, as, like I said, with the food. Is it that you ate too much tofu? Was it that you know you were uh eating more?
Speaker 2:crackers, I was just overeating in general okay every meal I'd eat like too big. You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean that's what you just gotta be mindful of, that you have to be disciplined yeah, you have to just be disciplined even though I know I can eat now, I can't go to town and have you know they'll mess up and they go.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's fasting thing sucks, so you just gotta be mindful. You're already there already, right?
Speaker 1:so think about it. I mean, I'd probably easier than said, of course. So I'm not speaking from experience, but I would imagine you were already there. The mindset would be you're already there already, you don't have to do anything, right? Right, you've already fasted this long, so you're just eating a little at a time. I would imagine that would be the best way so that gets the body used to it happening again, right?
Speaker 3:yeah, otherwise, if you keep yeah, yeah, no, no, definitely.
Speaker 3:That's why everything's like oh wait, a minute, we got business people everybody wake up right, because I, like I know for me, I don't eat super healthy as such. I'm not eating all the carrots and the vegetables, the fruits and all that other bullshit. I don't eat a lot throughout the day. So for breakfast, if you will, I'm at work 6.30 in the morning. I'll have a cup of coffee and maybe some rich crackers or something. Maybe Usually it's just black coffee and then I'll have a small lunch and then, you know, dinner. I'll eat a kind of decent sized dinner. So try it, see what happens. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:So I figure out which one. I would do the smallest one first and then work your way up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because I said all I think about it now we said because it all depends though, too, like you said, because, because, for me, I like coffee, I drink coffee, I drink coffee and tea, but I like coffee. So then is it supposed to be well for what you've read? Is it one cup of coffee for a day, or can you have a few cups of tea? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. All right, now we're talking yeah, because I drink coffee before I go to bed. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So like that for me would be green tea would probably be better, bro, that I could switch up Trust me when it does for you.
Speaker 2:It's amazing.
Speaker 1:Sometimes you just want some flavor in your mouth too, you know, right, yeah.
Speaker 2:But the funny thing is, though, like man, like I don't know why, when you're fasting and you, my tongue would be like brown afterwards, like I would get like cough my tongue, the tannins would.
Speaker 3:I don't know why, yeah yeah, well, like I said, it's cool by me only kissing my wife.
Speaker 2:So you know it's cool though is like you get like a deep cleaning when you're from brushing your teeth. Like, think about it, you brush your teeth twice a day. You're right, you're not eating any food, so you're just like you're, you're um, you don't realize it, but like, because when you eat you don't notice it, but when you don't eat, your gums like shed. So you get that like film on.
Speaker 3:you still get like a film on your mouth from your gum shed. I got you. You don't notice it when you, because we eat.
Speaker 2:It gets carried away with the foods, or that's part of your plaque that you brush away.
Speaker 3:Now if your tongue gets dark from the coffee. Do your teeth get dark too? Of course you will. Well, no, I'm saying because you said that the tongue gets you know. Super like his tongue stays dark, so does do your teeth get darker if you're drinking through?
Speaker 2:your teeth. That's why you gotta maybe just swish some water afterwards ah, okay, okay, yeah, well, I do that now my, my dental hygienist. She's like you should switch, should switch. You know you get less distaining if you switch water afterwards.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of benefits, though, to fasting right. So you got metabolic health, cellular repair, heart health may improve cholesterol and blood pressure levels right, which is good, because a lot of people have that Brain health linked to improvement of focus, memory and potentially fewer risk of neurodegenerative neurodegenerative diseases oh, that's a big one.
Speaker 2:Well, yes, Spiritual and mental clarity. I've heard someone mention something on a video one time I saw about fasting and-.
Speaker 1:Neurodegenerative diseases. Wow.
Speaker 2:Alzheimer's disease is a protein in your brain.
Speaker 1:They find in a lot of stuff. This they find in a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2:Now they say, if you that fasting can help prevent that or something because, it eats some of the autophagy well it can.
Speaker 1:It adds to definitely the preventive part of it right. So, yeah, fasting definitely, but if you get extra proteins in your brain, right there's a lot of stuff you can do now that they're finding out, like certain foods you shouldn't eat, they sell you right out this food. Do not eat what this oil does. So there are certain, there are good oils and there are bad oils right so you got to know all of that, because we don't realize it's an inch, I think yeah, it's like crazy.
Speaker 3:So what you got to just make sure you're getting the right oil, that's yeah yeah, no, I'm gonna have to start reading up on it, because I mean because then you'll get the benefits for everything that you do, right.
Speaker 1:So you don't want to do one thing and then you're doing the other thing and it's like, okay, you're kind of contradicting yourself in a sense exactly because for me, like I said, robbing from yourself right at the same time.
Speaker 3:You know, because, like I said, with the arthritis and everything that I've got right, you know that it just sounds like fasting might be the way especially like I said, because I'm basically doing, you know I, I kind of sort of do it. You know I don't. I don't eat like a super huge dinner, you know, and I eat little throughout the day and I remember dr fong also saying, like he, that you know we're.
Speaker 2:You know it's becoming like the obese nation. Back in the day, people would eat three meals a day and that's all they would fucking eat they would eat snack here, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, in between and all that other stuff, well, you know, there's a snacking you're just telling you by store fat yeah right, fat store, fat right. So obviously there's other reasons to fast other than eating money. They see spiritual and mental clarity, often used in spiritual traditions to enhance focus and connection with the higher power, right Well?
Speaker 3:that's like monks, I think it's that fast, like that.
Speaker 2:Fasting has been practiced for thousands of years.
Speaker 1:Potentially longevity so many religions and stuff. Yeah, animal been practiced for thousands of years. Potentially longevity religions so many religions and stuff.
Speaker 3:You know, animal studies, just neuropathy, you said is what it is? Neuropathy, neuropathy or neuropathy, what are you talking about? He said that, yeah, I'm asking. Remember we said now when, after the third day autophagy, autophagy, I'm sorry, I don't know where the other one came from.
Speaker 3:Yeah, autophagy so that, then that's what Tom was saying before that that's when it is that your body is like. Now you're working on overdrive, your brain is working better, the cells are rebuilding and whatnot. So that's probably why it is that it's get that you know that what people are believing to be the spiritual enlightenment, you know.
Speaker 1:Third eye Body's going through something. Yeah, potential longevity, longevity is good. Animal studies suggest fasting may extend lifespan through. More human research is needed, but they're saying that it could, I guess, make your life longer. Yeah, more healthy.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what some people are doing. Some people do the OMAD diet for longevity and just forever. Just have one meal a day, but again, you have to eat one big meal a day.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Like you need to eat like a 2000 calorie. If you're trying to sustain your cause, you have to sustain your like, so, whatever, yeah, you know, you know that chart like, if you put in like your, your age and weight it tells you like how many calories you're supposed to have a day in order to lose weight, you got gotta have this less calories, so whatever that like maintain weight is like, you gotta have that for a meal right every day yeah it's like right thousand okay calorie meal that's insane.
Speaker 3:It's like you feast every, every day I don't know if I'd be able to eat that much, though like that I see I wouldn't be able to do it though, your stomach stretches out and stuff yeah, your body has to adjust to it.
Speaker 2:So omad is good to do here and there, but like, if you're gonna do it long term, you better be in it to win it you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:that's a tough one.
Speaker 2:It sounds like you, you better be in it long term and if you come out of it like I said, you gotta well they say really adjust. It's hard to be used to feasting every night and then right now I gotta have three small meals.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, yeah, they say tips for safety fasting Stay hydrated unless dry fasting. Ease in and out of gradually reduced food intake before starting to reintroduce yourself to food slowly after fasting. So you know the what we were just saying that before. So you know the what we were just saying that before. So that's one of the things Listen to your body. Stop if you feel unwell. Yeah, of course, consult the doctor, especially for a prolonged fasting or if you have underlining health conditions.
Speaker 2:That's the thing all these fasting experts. They always have the, you know, in the beginning of the video fatigue, because you do have to listen to your body If you feel like you're getting tired or fatigued.
Speaker 1:Fatigue, irritability, headaches and dizziness, especially for beginners. Now, here's a good question so don't have any end tables or anything.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, no lie, yeah, Stay away from the corners.
Speaker 2:I get a fasting supplement on Amazon and it works yes otherwise I have those issues yeah, got it right really got it, because you need the salt for a five-day fast. You need to. You can do it without, but oh, it's brutal yeah, why why, why, why kill yourself because you want to be pure and only drink water? No, some people be like oh, I don't drink coffee, I don't drink tea, and why? Like?
Speaker 2:I mean, unless you're like, yeah, there's no reason to be so pure about it yeah if yeah, if you want to challenge yourself, get it done after a while, but maybe I could do it without yeah, right whatever, but like just getting there is, like you know yeah, well, here's a question that you might know the answer to then.
Speaker 1:Well, it's definitely sorry, definitely a discipline to do something like that. You got to be all in it before you make that decision, but go ahead.
Speaker 3:What were you saying? So people when they get older say probably mid-60s or up, maybe they don't eat as much as it is. You know what I mean? They're just not as hungry anymore. They're not just as hungry anymore, or whatever. They're not eating the same. Is it already too late in that sense, like for them the body's already naturally? I guess fasting is what I'm saying. Yeah, would that. Is it then too late to be able to?
Speaker 1:what do you mean? Like, so, like for us. So all the I shouldn't make a difference.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's like now we're in the you know, now we're in, you know 40s and 50s. So then, people that are in their 70s underline right, yeah, you know where.
Speaker 2:You gotta be careful with medications and stuff like that right but other than that, like you could be almost any age, you know what I mean. I mean, obviously, if you're in your growth phase, when you're you know from a child to you know adult, like you shouldn't fast, like it's not good, like oh, okay and all that, oh okay, kids can't fast. My mother didn't think of that.
Speaker 1:I was growing up when the Jewish holiday came around. Yeah mom's sitting on the couch eating the chocolate donut you guys can't eat, I can eat. Yeah, that's fun, yeah, that's nice. Childhood tragedy. A memory just flew into my head, dude, that's tragic, sorry, anyway.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, you just gotta Flew into my head, dude, that's tragic. Sorry, sorry, sorry, anyway, yeah, no, I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you just got to be careful.
Speaker 2:I mean people do it for religious practices, it's fine. They only get a day. You know what I mean. Right Stuff for religious practices, plus a lot of the religious practices like Ramadan. It's from sundown to sunup, so people get up early.
Speaker 1:So you know people try to hack it. They get up before the sun, eat Jewish people fast as well they do a lot, they have a lot of holidays, where they well, a few, I should say.
Speaker 2:But I'm not. It might be. Is it sunup to sundown, kind of thing? It goes longer than that, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:I thought it was sunup sundown too, but I know A lot of. You know the oldest religions fast so I know Judaism is older than a lot of older religions. Yeah, I don't know when that doesn't fast at some point, because Muslims fast.
Speaker 1:You don't in the Roman Catholic religion.
Speaker 3:There's no fasting.
Speaker 2:They used to, they stopped, yeah, no, you just had fish right, they used to fast for Good Friday, right, and then they stopped, started that's what.
Speaker 1:I'm saying I remember that was only one day, so you can't even count.
Speaker 3:I thought it was like three days, man. I want to remember saying my grandmother had done it for a few days that she would just like eat. Just sometime at night.
Speaker 1:I know they would switch it when it came to a certain holiday right, I think it was. They would have just right, that was a big thing friday was only fish fish yes, right, oh, you had to get yeah so I didn't know the you know whatever that meant.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like I would just eat rice, because I was like yeah, I'm not going without fish, I mean without meat, like I mean just eating fish, like right, but no, I'm saying so.
Speaker 1:The other ones, the older religions, they definitely have it already in and structured that way. Yeah yeah, you know so.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Again, you know it's a lifestyle. You know you got to get used to it. If it's something that you know you want to do for yourself, you know, you know so much about it that this is a for Tom thing. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. So then I'm like shit.
Speaker 1:I want to be like tom. You know what I mean to have, because for me it's just, you know it's having that, that discipline. Well, that's what it is with anything when you think about it, right? Yeah, that's the whole thing. You just make your mind up. Once you're ready, you'll know like you know, when you quit smoking or you have those big moments in your life. I would I would look at it that way in a sense, where I've done something like that was a huge thing for me being able to quit smoking.
Speaker 1:I've come a long place where I'm not the same person when I was when I was 25 years ago.
Speaker 2:You know what. I mean, so you got to hopefully just take it from that way, that prospect. I did a five-day fast recently, like last month, or I did it did in September and I hadn't done one like over a year or two. It was a while and I still had that problem, even though I was cognizant of it, very mindful, I still had a little bit of problems over eating a little bit.
Speaker 1:Did you really yeah?
Speaker 2:So you just have to be mindful of that shit. It's very, it's not easy. That is the hardest part. I you just have to be mindful of that shit. It's very, it's not easy. That is the hardest part, I think it is. It's hard Fasting and none of the fasting. You'll never see a fasting blogger or a social media person. They never mentioned that and there's only a couple have and like, but the big popular. They never say, oh, you know. So they, they, they'll say it, but they don't really stress it. They just, you know, when you eat, just make sure you're mindful, you don't let it blow over. And it's like towards the end of the video, you don't notice it.
Speaker 2:They really blow over it. So it's really important to be mindful of that. I keep bringing it up because, like Well, yeah, it does.
Speaker 1:Yeah because you need to get whatever in your body is necessary. Otherwise you're just defeating the whole purpose. Right, you're not looking to make yourself sick. Yeah, yep, just make sure, For everybody.
Speaker 3:But like I said earlier, everybody's body is different, how everybody deals and takes and meds and vitamins and everything else with it, exercise and such. Everybody has to be mindful what it is for them. Read up on it. You know how Tom does. It isn't the same way that Lou and or I can join groups on Facebook Reddit.
Speaker 2:You know that's where I got a lot of my information from.
Speaker 1:Oh, here we go.
Speaker 2:Fasting for weight loss or a group I was in. There was a couple fasting groups you learn a lot about it. So that's the best way to do it yeah.
Speaker 1:Yep. Go ahead Lou Alternate day fasting. Have you heard of ADF?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Go ahead Lou. Alternate day fasting. Have you heard of ADF? Yeah, well, yeah, they could do that too.
Speaker 1:Like we do a one-day fast. Or eating minimal calories on fasting days. Dry fasting which is no food and no water, right, yeah, now that I don't know I'd be scared of that.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you're going to do it like Ramadan I know some people that do do it or some people consider dry fasting where, like you drink like one, like a lot of water, like once a day, or something like that, but like you have to be really careful with that because you can fuck your kidneys up right, yeah, hell yeah. No, you need to know how you're doing that's, I don't uh you, I know some people that do it and uh, I don't yeah, yeah, no, I I mean, I like the idea.
Speaker 1:They say dehydration is the number one risk and consideration. You need to know about a nutrient.
Speaker 3:Yeah. You know, yeah, well, when you drink water no suitable for everyone.
Speaker 1:You got to make sure you're doing it People with certain medical conditions, diabetes, eating disorders so you got to be careful what you're doing. Don't just take it out on your own. Just go talk to somebody and they can guide you through it somehow. I'll give you something that you can follow. Pregnant or breastfeeding women, of course, makes sense, but then of course, you know that Athletes and individuals with high energy needs. So we were just saying before, tom, you were just saying the muscle gives energy needs. So we were just saying before, tom, you were just saying the muscle gives you that. So the athletes are thinking in that sense too. They're getting extra power out of it. At least they think they are Right, which is cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well. So we said go do your research check before you do it, check with your doctors, you know, read up on it. Ask the right questions. Like tom says, you join, you know groups and whatnot. Get all your stuff. Ask, ask, ask, ask, ask, yes, again, ask because you get it. I want to make sure because, like tom is saying, you know you got to be careful with yeah, I know so but but we're not telling anybody what to do, we'll just let them know, right?
Speaker 3:yeah, just something to talk about anyway but so with that, appreciate you guys for listening. Love, peace and hair grease.
Speaker 1:Live long, and prosper and go vegan, holla.
