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Uncovering a Tragic Collision: CEO Assassination, Healthcare Desperation, and Public Outrage
What drives a person to commit an unthinkable act? As we unravel the shocking assassination of the UnitedHealthcare CEO in Manhattan, we pose a provocative question about the desperation simmering beneath the surface of our healthcare system. Is this a personal vendetta gone too far or a misguided attempt to spotlight the injustices faced by countless individuals denied healthcare coverage? Join us as we piece together this chilling narrative, examining surveillance footage, suspect behavior, and the troubling symbols left behind.
Our investigation delves into the ethical quagmire surrounding wealth disparity and healthcare access. We scrutinize the potential motives behind this drastic act, contemplating whether the perpetrator sought justice or merely revenge. Through gripping analysis, we explore how personal grievances and a fractured healthcare system might collide in such a catastrophic way. The suspect's calculated escape and the law enforcement's challenges in tracking him down add layers of suspense, unraveling like a scene from a noir thriller.
The episode doesn't shy away from the broader implications of this event, bringing to light the public's mounting outrage over insurance denials. Through poignant personal stories, we amplify the voices of those battling insurmountable odds just to secure necessary medical care. The unsettling calmness of the assailant and the eerie premeditation of the attack underscore a deeper societal disconnect — where financial gain often overshadows human compassion. As we explore whether systemic change will arise from this tragedy, we ponder the enduring consequences of a system seemingly at odds with those it is meant to serve.
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Welcome to Comp, the Prophet and the Jersey Guy. I'm yours here with Kenny and your favorite Jersey Guy, tom. Get ready for another round of real talk, crazy stories and everything in between, kenny, how are you my friend?
Speaker 2:I'm not too shabby, my brother Not too shabby. Yeah, tom is still out, so anybody?
Speaker 1:knows Wish him well.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He's feeling good.
Speaker 2:He's doing a little bit better. He's chilling, he is chilling. So, tom, still missing you, brother.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sew it up. Sew it up. You know, we don't usually do current events much, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, we're trying to switch up a little bit. Yeah, stay out of politics.
Speaker 1:Because it's an interesting thing going on yeah yeah, yeah. This is not necessarily political.
Speaker 2:Oh no, it's not political At all. It shouldn't be. I don't want to say political, no, no, it's not.
Speaker 1:No, the assassination of the UnitedHealthcare CEO Shot down in Manhattan.
Speaker 2:Yep, that whole idea and just why that happened, you know what's behind it Well listen, you know the theories, so there's a lot of stuff going on now.
Speaker 1:Now they're getting more and more information.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so there's a lot of theories, you know. I mean everything from the conspiracy theories to. You know, just regular, almost any guy, person, woman, man, child, whatever, right, you know, just regular, almost any guy, person, woman, man, child, whatever, would end up doing it. You know people that are upset because they're denied healthcare. So the first thought process, the first thought, the first thought was that he was a disgruntled customer and denied coverage in some way, shape or form and that's why he killed him Whenever they shoot him. Another one that was the politics, and that was my thing that it was a political.
Speaker 1:Like somebody who was like she was set up, Like he was sent there to do something, to do a job.
Speaker 2:But that one was that was just me going into my you know, got that moment of conspiracy theories. So that wasn't it. Because, as of today, as of right now, um, it looks like it was, uh, disgruntled customer. Yeah, it does, yeah, so they've. I just looking it up right now. Um, they just found his backpack in central park, uh, earlier today.
Speaker 1:All right, so he's shaking things off now. He's like leaving like breadcrumbs from him now right now there's bed.
Speaker 2:Now they're finding them right because today this afternoon there was a um uh. Police were going through all of central park and they were. You know how they do that line when they're looking for something, and they scan the area yeah, so they were doing that and they were looking for evidence, right?
Speaker 2:so it looks like they found his backpack. Um, they found video of him after he left and they like video cameras along the route that they think he went. They found he was also at a hostile as well. Dude, can you believe it? They were interviewing some of the people. They're like what, what?
Speaker 1:That was insane, and I believe he came in on a Greyhound bus, yeah, so he came into the city on a Greyhound bus is what they believe.
Speaker 2:And then he was at the hostel and you know he was there for a few days scoping out this place.
Speaker 1:I gotta tell you when they showed the, when you see the photos that they have the ones that are out of him.
Speaker 2:You know the hood and everything.
Speaker 1:It's like this guy doesn't seem world, like nothing's bothering dude.
Speaker 2:I made a funny because the first time I still get the picture, jake gillenhaal came to my head like that's what he looked like for a second for them from that angle. Right, I wasn't, you know, because I wasn't paying attention like oh, there's ever a movie yeah, no, there's gonna be. It'll be him who knows. But it's insane, bro, you know, and and to think that if he is a disgruntled customer that he went to that length.
Speaker 1:Well, here's the thing we haven't. You know, this random shooting thing has been like a, a, you know, like a virus for us. You know, oh yeah yeah, and now it's graduated right to another level. Now to the point where, okay, now I'm not gonna just go in a school, or whatever I'm gonna go to someone who's higher up right something, yeah, yeah you know that's, that's crazy well, because I mean I'm so good, yeah, it's just you know.
Speaker 1:But then you start to think, like you said well, what was the reason this guy had to have a reason? He couldn't just randomly? It was a ceo of a company who made so much money 10 million dollars right, how many dollars we're gonna save? Right, and cold blood just got shot him in the back while he was walking down the street, yeah, and, and he had a silencer on the gun this guy he definitely had.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, he knew what he wanted to do and he did it, and you could see that. And, uh, when looking at the video or I shouldn't say video, but the pictures that they released, right, he doesn't seem like he's bothered by anything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as far as you know anything. He just I mean, I guess you never know what anybody looks like, if that makes any sense, like you don't know what a murderer looks like no, I didn't wait.
Speaker 1:Not that he looks like a murderer. Oh, you mean that he didn't look like he was in a cooler. He didn't look like he was under any type of distress or like he was in a panic or anything like that. He just was normal doing whatever he was doing and took his time doing it. He did.
Speaker 2:It's craziness, bro, craziness, yeah. And he didn't have a city bike, he had an electric bike. He had an electric bike and in one of the videos they were saying that he had taken the video he took the battery out and was walking with the battery, I guess to toss it or whatever he was going to do with it. Why, I don't know. And you heard that he had. He wrote on the bullets yeah, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, so it was deny Pose, yeah.
Speaker 2:And something else? Yeah, Hold on, I'll tell you right now. It was Delayed Deny Defend.
Speaker 1:Delayed Deny Right, but not in that order is what they didn't say like that, but the fact that they were on it and it was from they believe it's from a book that was written, I think, about 10 years ago. I sent you the text today about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I sent you the picture. Yes, you sent it to my phone. Yeah, and it was about healthcare and why insurance companies don't pay the claims and things you could do about it, because it's a fucking scam. A professor wrote it.
Speaker 1:That's why, bro Because it's the same thing we previously did an episode on what companies are putting on foods and everything. So think of it the same way. Yeah, they control it to the point where, yeah, they take advantage of you or put you in a position where you can't by any means right do yep. And if they are denying people and doing that and these people are making that kind of money, then yeah, I can understand why, right people?
Speaker 2:are not too upset.
Speaker 1:No, they're not upset about this.
Speaker 2:Oh, you mean upset about the killing? Yeah, no, because of that.
Speaker 1:That's not a toy I'm trying to make Because of that. Yeah, so people are like you know what. Yeah, I don't really feel too bad, Right right they have shitty coverage or they don't have coverage, or if they do have coverage, it's not enough and it only pays so much. Like it's all kinds of yeah, it's a whole bunch of different things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's crazy and that's why I was watching an interview today with somebody else altogether, and Damon John, and he was saying how it is that people need to Like. We're always planning about what we're going to do for our next vacation or a new car or anything like that, but we don't ever pay any real attention to what our insurance, uh coverage, is and what pays what and what is affleck and and what is the gap insurance and what all those things mean. You know, so that then, when god forbid anything happens that you don't know it all and you don't claim all the things that you're supposed to claim Right, you know what I mean. So you don't claim the AFLAC or people that don't claim the AFLAC, and that's to help you get through, because you're saving money, basically Right.
Speaker 2:And it helps you.
Speaker 1:You're paying into it, right, and then when you need it, and then when you need it, it will pay you so much for the time that you're out Right, exactly.
Speaker 2:But some people don't even pay no mind that they had that on their insurance, on their medical insurance, and then don't use it when they get into it.
Speaker 1:So now they're broke and they're trying to do it.
Speaker 2:But not everybody has that though. Exactly that's what I'm saying. So that's what he was saying in the interview today. People need to know and understand their insurance and how it pays out and how it does in and how they you know. You have to know all of it. This way you can catch them at their own game.
Speaker 1:Well, that's the thing I mean. Luckily for me, and I'm sure for you as well, my wife knows that shit like the back of her hand. So when any of that stuff comes in, the house bills, whatever they are.
Speaker 2:I just hand it to her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it's like hieroglyphics to me.
Speaker 2:I can't read this. There's no way I'm going to understand.
Speaker 1:I understand that I owe something, but yeah, like you know the whole how it works. She does, she explains it to me and then it makes sense, right, you know?
Speaker 2:she breaks it down in layman terms and you know, not to say that you know but it's funny because the movie the incredibles he was mr incredible was selling insurance and it was an old lady that was trying to and he was giving her a claim and he was giving her. Oh, you call these people, but you didn't hear it from me that you did this and actually call this number and call that number.
Speaker 1:I love that movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that perfect example that's a freaking, ex, super perfect example, right, you know, of. You know, sometimes the people at the, at the insurance companies, want to help, right, but they can't help you the way that they would want to, even though that's what they're, you know, quote-unquote hired to do is to help you and help you navigate through some of this stuff. Yeah, they're like, yeah, well, I really can't tell you and put you in that direction. That's above my pay grade, and then you know that kind of shit, right, it sucks, man, it sucks. And I think that it's even worse that now. So they've. So another thing on the news was they had taken down other insurance CEOs insurance confirmation. They've taken down a lot of their information from the websites.
Speaker 2:Right, of course they did, because they're worried about somebody else taking out another somebody from another company.
Speaker 1:This yeah, let's stick to this, because this is interesting. This could get out of control quick and it could be copycats. Yeah, just really fucked up. Yeah. And it could be copycats yeah, just really fucked up. Yeah. And it could progress, not only to people who are in major companies, but we've already had it. We saw it with a politician already this past year. Yeah, so it's going to that level, right you? Know what I mean and all right, now let's just take CEOs out.
Speaker 1:You know, Now, and I understand the reasoning behind it because Right, we get it CEOs out.
Speaker 2:you know, and I understand the reasoning behind it because Right, we get it, we understand. Nobody should go out and kill anybody. No, no, no. What I'm saying is that.
Speaker 1:I don't have any rachmunis for this meaning pity for this person. I'm sorry that you know, first of all, this shouldn't have ever happened. But if you're making that kind of money and people are struggling to have their benefits and work with it and do whatever they can, and you guys know that and you're making that kind of money, it's pretty fucked up yeah. Oh yeah, you know it's not right. Yeah, you know, and people work hard, they get that stuff and if they can get it, it's almost.
Speaker 1:Sometimes it's difficult you know, but they make it hard for you especially when you really need to have that one thing, and they Especially when you really need to have that one thing and they go, oh, you can't because you didn't, or whatever it is, yeah, it's expensive, bro, it's crazy, it's crazy, so I can understand the logic. People are like, yeah, it probably sucks to have, but you know what? I'm not worried because, hey, you know.
Speaker 2:Yep, and there's a lot of people.
Speaker 1:They didn't worry about me.
Speaker 2:A lot of people that are saying what you're saying yeah, oh, dude, they're saying the exact same thing and I kind of bugged out for a second because like damn, like I understand, I get it, but, dude, that's kind of you know fucked up to you know that to get to that level.
Speaker 1:To get to that level, yeah, you know so how bad did this guy have it?
Speaker 2:because you know, again I like to put myself on the people.
Speaker 1:We don't really don't know, but soon we don't have any idea of what his reasoning was. Yeah, we don't even know. This is all on assumption. Could he have been doing it just to do it because he thought it was the right thing to do and it didn't have anything to do with anybody? And maybe it was in his mind to say this is wrong.
Speaker 2:This guy shouldn't be ABC and D, which is pretty fucked up and that's the whole thing it's. You know, was it that he was a customer? Was it that he's just like you know what? Insurance as a whole? And I'm just going to take this head guy out to make people.
Speaker 1:He was some kind of maybe in his mind being some kind of hero in a sense for people who were getting robbed by the insurance companies or not getting what they deserve so or not getting what they deserve. It's all in his mind. Or it could be somebody in his family close to him who, if they had something but they were denied it because they couldn't get it, and they wound up, whatever perishing or something, or something horrible the worst thing, obviously, is dying right.
Speaker 1:So then, okay, I get to see that motivation, you know what I mean. Like, well, if she had it, there was a good chance for that, this, that and the other thing, or he or whatever you know you see what I'm saying, so you got to think of every scenario in your head, like why my wheels are turning. I'm like, yeah, it's. I want to know what the deal is with this guy. I want to know what you know, like yeah, because I want to see too.
Speaker 2:I do because. So, like you know, of course, they're still trying to find him, right. So he came in on the greyhound bus. He left, he committed the crime, left, uh, and then they followed, like a bunch of video, uh cameras, right uh, through the town, through the park. Um, they found his backpack, but then they lose him again, right. So they're not even sure where he popped up. They think that he left before the crime was even, like you know, before it was, uh, even known. Yeah, well, not that it wasn't known, because there was two people.
Speaker 2:That was the other shit too, bro. When he shot him, right, there was a woman that was standing to the right. He didn't even like stutter, he just let her go. She just went and it was a gentleman that was sitting in a car and the car was on, he was warming up the car and he said that he was scared because the guy. It happened right there. It was six o'clock, seven o'clock in the morning, people were starting to move around to go to work and such. This is the shit that you see in the movies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Really right this is what you see. The movie opens up, and that's the first thing that happens?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the first thing. You know what I mean. You got music coming in through the scene.
Speaker 1:This guy's walking down the side. He's got a hoodie on, he's got a gun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bop bop. And then his fucking gun jams up. Yeah, his gun jams and he's trying to, you know, do it. And that gun they think that because I believe it was a German gun and he may have used the different ammunition that didn't fit it properly and that's why it had jammed up on him like that. And, dude, I'm telling you, it's just the whole thing, right.
Speaker 1:The guy was already gone. But then at the same time, when you look at certain things, they got pictures of him on the camera Like all right, so now he's being a little careless. But those are old pictures him on the camera Like all right, so now he's being a little careless, but those are old pictures.
Speaker 2:Those weren't pictures. So I think that they are finding out. They're getting more information faster than he thought that they would get information, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 2:But they got pictures of him while he was there. He didn't think that he, but of his face. They found him at the hostel, like almost before day's end. You know what I mean. I think that that's kind of what it was, because by the time the cops got there, his room was already empty. He was done, he was already gone. He probably was gone the day he got him. No, he did, he was gone.
Speaker 1:He left the hostel and he went and did what he had to do.
Speaker 2:Right, that's what they think happened was already done. He was out and that he no sooner wasn't coming back that he was already leave, that he had to leave the state. I don't know. I kind of think he's still in new york bro I I don't know, he might be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he might be, I think, because, uh, but still I would, I think he could have. In a lot of ways, when you think about, when you see how I'm like he was, he didn't, he didn't have. No, maybe that was the right thing to do. Maybe the the fan door, just have no care in the world and just do it. Yeah, not panic, run, freak out, right, this guy just fucking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do want to know, like I said. I mean, I wish he had sent a letter, you know, or?
Speaker 1:or oh, here we go like a fucking.
Speaker 2:No, no, no just to say, like you know, this is why, like you know what it is again, like we're gonna say that oh, I see what you're saying you know about, um, it's a movie or a tv show. You know that he would have left a letter or put something like just to say, yo, this is why I did this, this is what it was. You know this is. For whatever reason, that's just what I want to know think of what this means, man.
Speaker 1:This is, this is what's happening. People being, um, you know to the point, now these other people they see all the CEOs of other companies are now are going to have to, you know, scatter and do their shit to get all their information. You know they can, you know they got the money, so they probably can do a pretty decent job with that, but still, shit's out there. But now now we're going after CEOs of companies. Now, yeah, you know what I mean. People are pissed off. Yeah, right, like enough. Yes, and that's not saying it's right, no, that's right. What you're seeing. Basically, if, if we were to uh assume what it could possibly be, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, if we stay with the idea that right, he did it because he was a disgruntled customer, right?
Speaker 1:yes, you know or just someone who was trying to be some kind of you know vigilante, coming in and saying, hey, I'm saving america from this guy.
Speaker 2:Or you know people from insurance yeah, because that could be that kind of guy too. Yeah, he could have just been like you know. Now, all you guys beware. You know all ceos and all insurance companies beware, right, because you never know you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:like yeah, yeah, who knows? I mean it's scary man, it's gotten to that point.
Speaker 2:Bro, I can't and out in the middle of the open. He was obviously stalking him because he knew when he was going to work out.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, well. Here's the thing Right, because he knew when and where he walked, right.
Speaker 2:So he walked right. So, yeah, see, well, that makes sense and it was in a conference, so the car he had it wasn't like he had a month of following this guy's routine, right? This was like two days worth of paying attention to where he was.
Speaker 1:Somehow he found out where he was going to be. It was because it was a conference.
Speaker 2:It was a conference, okay, for the um health care, okay, company for the for the thing uh, the insurance company, I'm sorry. And so he knew that they were going to be there, because he knew that there was that. That's what it was the for that the conference was there, right, and he just but, like I said, just that he happened to be out there. You know, at the time he was just waiting for that man to come out of the dude. That's serious, like that's serious, like that's serious, that's insane. You know, and I hope that people don't take this to, like you said, you know, take it to that level where they're just going to start hunting all the CEOs for or the bigwigs for any company.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Well, we can't control what people do.
Speaker 2:Right, but I mean, we're just talking because of the fascination of this whole thing, which is really what it is.
Speaker 1:We're just talking because of the fascination of this whole thing, which is really what it is. It's not about us trying to promote it or anything. We're just talking about it because it's crazy, because everything going on it's just like. I am not surprised that this is what's happening. Right you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:It is Like you said, bro. This is straight out of a TV show or a movie, the way it would open up, yeah.
Speaker 1:Because dude, dude, you know, and in the hostel, but then.
Speaker 2:So the other thing was too yeah, right, and then just going over and ready for him.
Speaker 1:Out there he sees him, and you know they could turn it into like, yeah, perverted into some. Yeah, yeah, into whatever they want. Yeah, right, it's crazy man. So now the crazy how we think we're so fucked up.
Speaker 2:No, no so again, in when they uh released the uh wife's statement, his wife's statement, right? Uh, the man who the that was killed, uh, it didn't sound like she was that kind of upset. So I apologize if you know, if that sounds rude or mean, but it just didn't sound.
Speaker 1:But again, that's from the way she, the way she reacted to it yeah, it just didn't sound, but again, that's from watching. So the way she, the way she reacted to it, wasn't, it didn't seem right so I didn't hear her speak. Sincere in any way it was just like you know.
Speaker 2:She's, you know, sent out a release, and this is what the the reporters were reading man, it didn yeah, well, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Hey listen, who knows what was going on in his life? What kind of person then? Now you're thinking the wife, right? So now our minds are going crazy and I know what you're already thinking yup, exactly. So, yeah, that's crazy, yeah, so again.
Speaker 2:That's why I want to know did she have anything? If it was?
Speaker 1:but again, there was so many different things but, but that could just be because she was off, because it did happen to him Exactly.
Speaker 2:And that's the way she reacted to it. That's her. It really doesn't mean anything. We're just assuming that you know, hey, why didn't she Again, you know, making it into something that it probably isn't or whatever. It's just the funny that that's where all of our minds are going, you know, I know, I know we're not a disgruntled customer. Right Political reasons. You know, there's just so many things, so many reasons. The vigilante. That you know I've had like you. Having a conversation with you is like the eighth conversation that I've had.
Speaker 1:Already. Yeah, you know what I mean, because there's always something. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, because there's always something. Yeah, there's always stuff, little bits of pieces are coming out like the book man, I got it right here.
Speaker 2:Yeah or word.
Speaker 1:So tell me what was in the book I don't know what's in the book, I just have the. I have the actual um, the, the cover of the book, which is where.
Speaker 2:Okay, it's a delay, deny.
Speaker 1:Defend why insurance companies don't pay claims and what you can do about it. Jm feynman, okay, right and it's a professor now, if I'm not mistaken, this book is not a new book.
Speaker 2:This has been out for quite a while.
Speaker 1:Yes, so it's no coincidence that that those words were on his bullets, and that's the that's the thing. That's another creepy thing, right, so he's obviously now he's involved somehow because he's read the book, obviously right and he's, so, he's in his, so it's obviously something that he feels that might have been necessary in his mind because of what he read and how the book yeah, not saying that the book made him do anything, I don't mean that, it's just his interpretation, because everybody everybody interprets shit differently.
Speaker 2:Words depending on where they are mentally and emotionally right right no, you're a million percent right. It's still again, because you know, I said I like to do that. What if that's just, uh, the, the decoy? Possibly you know what I'm saying. I've already ran through that in my head too then that's not even why it was he did it and I, I think I'm bugging out more.
Speaker 1:I have a strong feeling that it does, because that's just coincidence, because it's not like a book just came out and he just read this book Right.
Speaker 2:It's been out for a while.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so he used words from the same ones. Yeah, three bullets, yeah, and the garden got jammed, mm-hmm. So, that's weird too, because and he admitted a crazy sniper on that thing I mean a silencer on that thing.
Speaker 2:Well, now see, here's the shit. Remember Manson, and that's what he was doing with the Beatles. He said that the Beatles White Album is where he heard the voices to commit his crimes, the murders.
Speaker 1:So then, if this guy reading the book that's a little bit different, because this guy is reading material and he's taking an interpretation of what he's reading. He knows what it means, everything. But however he feels about it emotionally or whatever, manson was just crazy because he wanted to use people and he made them do what he wanted.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I understand. All right, fair enough, I'll give you that.
Speaker 1:He was manipulating people. The book is a book. It's not manipulating, it's just information for you to read right. So how? Yeah, and a Beatles song, really, I mean that whole story itself is interesting and crazy and has its own crazy shit. Right, right, right. But yeah, I think the comparison this is a little bit more on a different level.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think so. Okay I'll, it's just it's, you know he's, he's got the wheels turning. Oh yeah, definitely I. I just find it almost surprising. I find it surprising that almost I find it surprising that it was just the way that he did it. You know what I'm saying? That he didn't leave a, a note, a letter or whatever, right you know, put something out there to say that this is why he did it. These are the reasons. But then to now, police haven't released anything. If they even went back to his, if there was a computer found or whatever.
Speaker 1:Where is he originally from? They don't know. No, they don't even know yet, because his license was from Jersey Right and it was a fake Jersey license, right. It wasn't even a real one. Sorry, jersey right and it was a fake jersey license, right, it wasn't even a real one, sorry, so already there is another clue that he's already making sure he's covering his tracks. He's not using his real id yeah he's got phony shit, dude, listen, he's.
Speaker 1:This guy planned this out in the time that it took. He planned it out. He already had this pre-med. He either knew about the meeting already and knew this guy was going to be there, but like you have to get the time right in the morning knowing, or whatever that's really weird.
Speaker 2:So even now, right, if he it happened at seven o'clock in the morning, okay, five and a half hours later he could have already been in Canada just driving. Oh yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Because right there to Buffalo, absolutely he could have been. Right over there, nobody would have known anything.
Speaker 1:There's no looking for him yet, because they didn't even have a face on him yet, right, so he was already gone by the evening. Yeah, he'd have to really hide well in canada, though, because they're you know well, again.
Speaker 2:Well, anywhere he goes for that matter, but you know it doesn't matter if it's mexico or canada or whatever you still have to, but if he would have gotten to canada and then got on a flight to go to non-extradition place, you know country, then he's gone, he's in the wind. You know what I'm saying. So, all it takes him is to get into Canada. By the time they released a picture of his face, he was already on a plane going to wherever.
Speaker 1:Somewhere he was either on a train, another train, or he was on a bus. The first thing. Who's to say he didn't get on an Amtrak? No, no, that was coming in. No, I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I know I'm saying to leave. That's what I'm saying To leave, the fastest way for him to leave. I know who's to say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, could be. Or you could just get on the fucking train and take something that people wouldn't necessarily think of, like I say no to that right is because of how long it takes to get out of the area.
Speaker 2:So oh, that's a five, it's a five hour five and a half hour ride to get from here, from from this part of of new york, hudson valley area, va. It takes five and a half hours to get to buffalo, so that then it's five hours and 45 minutes, six hours, to be in Canada. Okay, have to go through customs.
Speaker 1:That makes more sense. That's why I'm saying that yeah.
Speaker 2:That's why I'm saying that.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. That's just the whole. Yeah. He's probably gone already If he's smart, but you know these guys, you know you got to be a little off just to something's got to be going on in your life.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah in your life for you to get to that point where you're like yeah, I'm done. Maybe he's dying, maybe he found out he was diagnosed and the insurance company wouldn't cover him.
Speaker 1:You know what Now I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good one, brother, I didn't even think about that. Who knows? I mean, you can think of anything, yeah, but again, it makes sense. Yeah, you know so far, I think that every scenario that we've come up with, that people have come up with, makes sense for somebody to be Because again and something that I like to live by People are getting captivated by this whole thing, because you never know what that person is going through, what people are going through.
Speaker 2:Crazy man, Crazy. And yeah, dude, that's a good one. That's a good one that he couldn't get coverage for himself.
Speaker 1:So he's like you know, whatever you know, fuck everything, I'm just going to go and do this and they'll find my letter when they find my body Right. And he was like in the zone, nothing bothered him, he didn't freak out Nothing, just yeah, dude, because he was super smooth.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he just took his time. Yeah, yeah, it was just like whatever he was eating, they think that he was eating snacks before he uh even did it. That's crazy. They have found the, the, the rappers, the candy rapper, whatever. Wow, so you know, and nobody paid him any attention.
Speaker 1:We'll see what tomorrow is going to bring. Yeah, for the more information. As day by day goes, we're going to find out more stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I mean right now, at this time of broadcast, it's not even 11 o'clock yet, so we don't even know what the news is going to come up on as we're sitting here information could be coming in right now yeah because, like I said on what I just looked up, and it was an hour ago Because we're recording. We're recording, yes, we're recording right now to put greatness into you guys' lives with this podcast.
Speaker 1:But you know what I was looking at before.
Speaker 2:When we first started, it was about an hour ago that they found his backpack, or that they reported that they found his backpack, gotcha. So the guy had a backpack. He went through an alleyway, got on an electric bike, went through Central Park Right, and then that's where they lose him. So they're not sure where he went. So they were trying to find. That was this morning at around eight o'clock in the morning. That that was all that kind of information had come out. Then that's when they got pictures of him, because they found that he was at that hostel and, um, they interviewed some of the people that were out there that were staying in the on the same floor with him, and they thought he was all like, oh my god, he was so nice right, right.
Speaker 1:He's just like a regular person. Exactly he didn't, you know, act crazy or out of whack, right to bring attention to himself.
Speaker 2:Exactly he just did what he would know an everyday thing, and just was not a lot about it and that was it so for the last two days before this, he was at the set at the hospital, coming in and out like it was just regular whatever. So then, like now, I didn't hear yet if it was that when he um after he um committed the murder that he went straight back to the hostel. They haven't found that they were trying to they were finding his.
Speaker 1:They were um he's out his back, he's out bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they were doing, from which.
Speaker 1:That's why I said I wouldn't go back to be the stupidest thing to do exactly.
Speaker 2:So then they don't even know, because again, they didn't know what he looked like, right?
Speaker 1:no, but I'm saying with everything he's done so far he's not going to do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's gone already. What else did you find?
Speaker 1:well, there's a headline here that says after shocking shooting, americans vent feelings about health insurance. The death of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson triggered a deluge of painful stories about health care denials on social media. So, people are already, just you know, venting about their disgust with insurance companies.
Speaker 1:Yep, you know what I mean. Yep, and people are not feeling bad. They're not. They're probably sorry, but at the same time, they're just being like you know what. Nobody should be making that kind of money when people are struggling to get. So if he's making that much, how much will the other CEOs and how many of them are there? When you think about the company in itself, right, right, it's huge. It's got to be huge. These people are making money Dude, hand over, fist Hand over fist, plus the shareholders.
Speaker 1:And then they're giving you shit when you go to try to get stuff done and they don't want to pay it. I mean you pretty much have to like jump through hoops to. You know, like I remember I recently went for a test to get done, right, they wouldn't do so. The doctor said to me let me see if I can get the other one. They wanted to do the echo. They denied the echo, right, they said no. And I had gotten the echo every other time before that. Now they said no. So she said I'm going to try for the contrast MRI with contrast to do that. That one passed. I'm thinking, wow, that's a big machine, crazy la la la.
Speaker 1:And then the Echo was just the thing on your chest, or whatever they're looking for or whatever they're checking, a little tiny thing you're laying on a freaking gurney or whatever, and that makes no sense. Right, right, you know what I mean. Right, it's what it is, so there's always a reason behind their method of thinking, you know.
Speaker 2:So now you know that when you go to the doctor's office right, you sit in there there's always somebody coming in to try to sell the doctor something, oh yeah. So they're like oh yeah, try these meds, oh yeah, check out this stuff, or look at this stuff or what you know. Look at these meds, these scrubs, you know these instruments, whatever the case may be. So they're always trying to buy the doctors. Well, I'm not going to say they're not trying to buy, but they are trying to get the doctors to. You know, come, pay attention, buy stuff from their companies. If for you going for this guy, what if that, like you said, they didn't pay for this but they paid for that, right, they're not going to pay for that. You know, like I said, I can't go for a regular MRI. I'm going to have to go for this, what you call it, but it's not going to tell the same thing. You know, come on, bro, that's so check this out.
Speaker 1:Many people shared searing stories of healthcare denials from health insurers. One person said their mom scanned the check on her stage four lung cancer was recently denied. In another post a dad shared a letter to the UHC sent him denying a wheelchair for his son with cerebral palsy. A lot of people are in deep pain and maybe didn't have anywhere to put their pain and wilson says so. Wilson says she's not celebrating that the man was killed though. Third, uh, though certainly some people on social media were. She calls that a dark impulse that might stem from people's unresolved feelings of hurt and helplessness.
Speaker 1:So people are pissed off they're like yeah, so other people just gotten to the point where now, okay, you know what I'm gonna take you out. Yeah, you know, yeah it's again.
Speaker 2:It's people that just turn around, yeah there's been so many movies, so many um all the things we watch, those right, all the right that we've seen growing up. This is what it's become a reality now, and this is. This is literally it is. It's become a reality now and this is literally the reality. Bro, right, it's becoming a reality. This is exactly that. You are a million percent right. This is the reality, where people are just fed up.
Speaker 1:They're done. They're tired of corporate big corporations taking advantage of them and they have all this money and they can do what? They want and they're controlling our lives, whether it's from food to medicine, to yeah, the medicines, bro, was it?
Speaker 2:a couple of years back when they were talking about, if it was that long ago with the asthma, the pump, the medicine for the asthma, they were charging like $300, $400 for an asthma pump.
Speaker 1:Oh, I remember that whole situation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it was like what?
Speaker 1:Like why would you even whole situation like what, like why? And it didn't need to be. It didn't even need to be that much. It doesn't because it didn't make it, didn't? If I'm not mistaken, it didn't even cost that much to make it, no, so but, that's the whole thing. They mark it up, man. I think the guy got caught on doing that.
Speaker 2:Well, no so what it was when they had that dude in there that he was I'm not going to go to the the detail because I remember the guy's name, but what it it was that when the guy was in there from the big farmer company he says it's not what we're doing, it's that this is what the insurance companies are charging, it's not us. They charge different from what they do here in the United States to what they charge in England.
Speaker 2:So I'm saying it's just— so it's the insurance companies that are doing these things. Yeah, it's an advantage here, it is that they just got's. Just so it's the insurance companies that are doing these things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's an advantage.
Speaker 2:Here. It is that they just got called out, so let's see what happens now, because are they going to either panic and no, they're panicking now because he didn't catch him yet, but then you never know the next person that might do it Again.
Speaker 1:this is what we're saying, and so they're hoping he gets caught right. And then then of course they're hoping there's no copycats, because they're probably still going to want to protect themselves. I would if it was me Right? That's what I'm just saying. Yup, maybe that's because of where I come from and how I grew up. You know what I'm saying. I don't take anything for granted if that shit's going on. No, shit, no.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so then you never know. So now, what does big pharma do? Do they actually like oh my God, this is a reality check. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1:Well, it's not really big pharma when you think about it. It's not pharma in the sense it's the insurance companies Right the insurance companies.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry you're right, but big pharma in their own has their own shit.
Speaker 1:but we're just talking about how the the insurance companies yeah, well, all right, so fine.
Speaker 2:So the insurance company. So now, what do the insurance companies do now? Do they change their?
Speaker 1:rates do they? Change how it is that they're doing certain things they're not panicking yet, they'll panic if it, if it happens again yeah, I'm not saying that's what I want to happen, right? No, but if it happens again, yeah then they're gonna be like okay, we got a problem, because you better hope that they catch this guy yeah nobody else does fun, doesn't follow them. Yeah, because that would be a whole new ball game yeah, because it wouldn't matter.
Speaker 1:It wouldn't even have to be like this guy. He went to a conference. It could be at your home answering, going to your door to answer for a package. It could be anything, anything, dude, do you?
Speaker 2:remember way back when when they would turn around and put in the powder and send it to the oh well, that was nuts well that was recent too. They did it again, but way back when a long long time ago they were doing that, sending the white powder and envelopes and stuff to politicians and stuff. Everybody was freaking scared. Oh yeah, they were like what if this kind of thing?
Speaker 1:has gone to that level now, right.
Speaker 2:So now for the insurance companies, right. You know that be careful, you never know. I mean, they say that they're getting death threats already, or that they must already.
Speaker 1:They probably already have been getting, but they probably didn't take them serious because they just took it as you know, uh, there's people venting and you know, yeah, and I'm sure they had to go and I'm sure that, if we look or look it up, that I'm sure there were situations where the insurance companies had to go to court or whatever to protect themselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 1:I'm sure, if you would look at it, there's probably a history of hopefully not a lot- oh, I'm sure that there is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm with you, so I'm sure that's happening too. It's just insane, bro, like you, so I'm sure that's happening too. It's just insane, bro, like what? Now I, I think, along with finding out why it is that this guy did it, I want to know what. Now, what is it that these insurance companies and it's not just medical insurance, car companies do the?
Speaker 1:same. Oh no, yes, everything you know I'm saying it's all insurance and then you have to go and all right. Now I gotta go shop for insurance because now my one, that I have raised it and it's more than what I was paying. So now I got to shop around to get a company that's going to give me a better deal and switch everything over to that one so I get a better rate.
Speaker 2:And it's bullshit because if I've never been in an accident, I get into a car accident. Now my insurance goes up too. What kind of bullshit is that's been like that forever exactly, and I mean and that's one of those things right that you know, because people off turn around and super piss people off.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Like you're not anymore, I'm not doing this.
Speaker 2:I've had three accidents in my whole life, vehicle accidents. So then now, when those three accidents now I'm still now granted, I mean I'm I'm not gonna say how much I pay for insurance, I'm just a, you know, I'm a speed driver, I drive fast, got in court. So you know, I know why I'm paying this much more you know what I'm saying well, right, fair enough, but it's not because of the accidents.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. People that, uh, like I said, but this one accident that I had last year, I was hit and my insurance went up more than for my speeding tickets.
Speaker 1:Nobody can explain that man, we can sit here. We'll fit a hole in the freaking pocket what I'm saying is just the stupid shit, you know, and it's those things.
Speaker 2:Taking advantage is what it is, exactly what it is.
Speaker 1:They make reason. They try to reason and make excuses to make it like well, this is why this happens, because you know now, because of that, you're in this percentile and the yeah right, fuck you, it's my ass. All right, it was me who got hit, not the other way around.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, and you're telling me that is a but what you were?
Speaker 1:saying earlier, though, to also, if you have good insurance and you couldn't use your your own right when the accident was, getting the medical covered and all that the person that hit me didn't have insurance right yeah. So now I've been in car accidents where I've had that coverage, where I was able to put in for it, and get it where the other they would go, and his insurance was paying for my visits going to the doctor, okay, and all that. So it does work in that event. In that ways as well.
Speaker 1:There are good things about insurance oh yeah, no, no, no, it's just when they get crazy with the rates and start finagling with shit and and start scamming.
Speaker 2:It's like right when the insurance, how much more money can you possibly make what even with that? Like I said, if I've been paying yada yada insurance for the past 25 years, that means that there's literally bro, several million dollars that are sitting in there or that have that I've paid out, right, you know, plus sitting in escrow and however else the ways that it works and whatnot, the money's there right.
Speaker 1:I shouldn't have to. I shouldn't have to come out. Why do I need to struggle to to have to pay my insurance?
Speaker 2:I've been paying this, you know you've been collecting interest on this money because of where it was sitting, so it's not like you're not getting paid. There's a lot.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of avenues that right, depending on the insurance or whatever, but in this case I can understand this one more than I can understand the car insurance stuff oh, the medical, depending on what it is, but I'm saying that for all the medical, for the mindset to why this guy did what he did you, you know I could say okay, medical, something's going on. Somebody didn't pay something, or he knew somebody, or he's trying to think he's doing the right thing by making him an example, because he makes so much money.
Speaker 1:There's so many different scenarios and I'm not one and I can be honest.
Speaker 1:It was my idea to do this podcast tonight because I was like hey, we're going to do this one because it made you think the way you wouldn't normally think. Yeah, because now and you can understand why Mm-hmm, you know, like I just read to you about some people who were getting denied and everything, and people just have a bad taste in their mouth. Yeah, like I'm paying you all this money and at the same time, you're telling me, no, but you're making $10 million.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but then you're making 10 million dollars. Yeah, dude, like yeah, what the fuck? Yeah, I'm with you, bro. Like I said, I get it.
Speaker 1:You're not hurting bro you're not hurting, you don't need to be making 10 million dollars a year.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying you shouldn't, but I will yeah, you're right, I would too, because you know, not for nothing, because you're nickel and diming us right and you guys are sitting back the freaking, uh, the fruits I understand and I get that you success right, that you're successful, that you've gone to school or that you know you ended up making that, that nifty cookie or whatever services that you're giving to the people.
Speaker 2:I get that and I applaud you and I'm not taking anything away once you start taking advantage and going over that line when you start doing those kind of things and I think it's mostly and I I will I will say I think it's mostly out of the insurance companies that that is where I get more pissed off, because if more people are buying your product, then you're getting more profit, you know. So I I get that, I understand that. But when you're going to turn around and deny people for shit that they've been paying for, that's a problem, because if my sneakers are fucked up right when I buy them and they last you know I had them on maybe four or five times they're starting to fall apart and whatever. I'm taking them back like dude, like I didn't even wear these to work right, and they're falling apart. Please can I have another pair of?
Speaker 1:sneakers. Right, you know what?
Speaker 2:I mean, like you know, you owe me now, right because I just paid all that money.
Speaker 1:You know I'm not paying good analogy, but Exactly.
Speaker 2:But it's just that simple.
Speaker 1:I know I get it.
Speaker 2:I get it, man, when you're at a restaurant and the food comes out with a hair. You're taking that shit back, yeah right.
Speaker 1:But, just as a point, a little advice to people out there not to get off. Yeah, do not while or before you get your food make Mouth off, because you will pay for it dearly. Yeah, you will, you could, you could. The chances are very good. That being said, we've run out of time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so thank everybody for listening and Tom see you in the next one. Yep, feel better. Yep, feel better. We'll see you soon. Love peace and hair grease. Live long and prosper.
Speaker 1:And for Tom go vegan.
