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Unpacking Global Food Bans: Skittles Controversies, Organic Challenges, and Informed Eating Choices
Ever wondered why some of your favorite snacks are forbidden abroad? Join us on a revealing exploration into the world of food regulations and the surprising list of banned foods that are still on American shelves. Discover why Skittles, beloved by many, are banned in the EU due to concerns over artificial dyes and their link to health issues. We promise to uncover how making simple swaps for natural ingredients can lead to noticeable changes in your well-being, like reducing hyperactivity and migraines in children.
We'll guide you through the maze of food ingredients and regulations, showing how seemingly identical products differ dramatically from one country to another. Through personal anecdotes, like switching to lactose-free ice cream, we highlight the significance of understanding what goes into our bodies. We also tackle the economic and logistical challenges of choosing natural foods, raising important questions about the broader implications of food regulations. As we dissect the ingredient lists of everyday snacks, we aim to inspire you to reflect on your own dietary choices.
Turn your attention to the evolving landscape of organic farming, where we contrast it with conventional methods and explore its role in sustainable agriculture. From labor-intensive traditional practices to the economic hurdles of certification, we examine the hurdles and hopes of a global shift towards organic farming. Our discussion extends beyond farming and into broader health risks associated with certain food ingredients, paralleling them with historical shifts in societal awareness. With a nod to healthier bread choices and the benefits of staying active, we wrap up our conversation with encouragement to make mindful, informed choices about what we consume and how we nourish our bodies.
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Welcome to Cotton Crooked and the Jersey Guy. I'm, lewis, here with Kenny and your favorite Jersey Guy, tom. Get ready for another round of real talk, crazy stories and everything in between. This time, though, tom is not feeling well. He's under the weather, so it's going to be just Kenny and I today, and we'll get going on it. What's going on?
Speaker 2:man. Yeah, I'm trapped. Everything pretty spiffy, sad. Tom's still feeling funky. Bro, that sucks Dugging nuts. Yeah, you know Well, hope you're feeling better. Tom, love peace and better Tom Love peace. And hair grease to you over there. Stay healthy. Good thing you stayed over there. I don't want to get sick yet. It's all good, it's all good. So what up, bro?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so Today's episode this podcast is going to be on foods that are banned in other countries, but we can have them here. Yeah right, so we have food here that other countries ban. They're not allowed to sell certain foods here.
Speaker 1:They have to either change it or they can't sell it at all usually is the case yeah, um so, and it turns out that they have to do more natural, lead more towards right subtracting stuff that shouldn't be in there. Right, right, right, uh, and then, but they'll still sell it that way to us here in the united.
Speaker 2:So before it goes over there, we have to make sure that it's to their right to their standards, right, yeah, which would?
Speaker 1:they should just do that here as well.
Speaker 2:But well, it depends on what.
Speaker 1:That's what we're gonna get into.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what the whole thing is yeah, so you know, and it's funny because, uh, you know, talking to different people and you know, especially with tom, we, we talk about the veganism and stuff, so he's eating healthier than we are, just by that alone. Absolutely yeah, according to what he says, you know what I mean. Right, but still, either way, not even thinking about the stuff that's in a lot of the foods that we eat, right?
Speaker 2:Just go we get it, yeah, just go get it. Whatever of the foods that we eat, right, we just go, we get it, yeah, just go get it, whatever. Some people now, when we get to our age, we're a little bit more, I guess we'll say uh, conscious and we read the box. You know the cans a little bit more now.
Speaker 1:You know looking for less sugar and things like sodium, like less sodium. How much sodium's in it? Right, it's the first thing.
Speaker 2:Yes, right yeah, you know, yeah, and the funny note. So the other day I went to the doctor and I came back with a pretty much a clean bill of health what? And I've been watching what I've been eating. I don't eat half as much sugar as I used to, you know, the arthritis is still kicking up. But he says that whatever I'm doing, keep doing it.
Speaker 1:That's good, don't you know?
Speaker 2:right he says so. The only thing that's nice was like a point or two high was my cholesterol and my mom's a little high too. And my glycerin, the glucose and sugar. So the sugar. So instead of it being, you know like, I forgot the sugar was high but by one point. Wow, that's what I'm saying that's not bad right, so then I'll take that all fucking day, hell yeah. So I'm only like one, one point over for the sugar and two points for the, um, the. Uh, oh, jesus, christmas, the cholesterol.
Speaker 1:yeah, I was a couple of uh cholesterol as well, yeah, uh, but that was the only thing which was good, right, my you know, my blood pressure was good. All that was good. It was super nice and low and I'm like, oh okay, right, right, right, right. So now, with all that all that right, is that saying so, right, right, right, right. So, now, with all that All that Right, is that saying we got that in?
Speaker 2:our head, right? So then, now, what is it that we are eating that we probably shouldn't be eating here? You know that's in our foods that we don't even pay any attention to Because, like I was bugging out. So people know Google search and you know ban foods and foods that are banned in other countries but not in the United States. And one of my most favorite candies ever, ever, ever, ever, ever is Skittles.
Speaker 2:And here it is that Skittles is banned in the EU because they contain because the Skittle contains yellow 5, yellow 6 and red 40 because of the dyes that are in them, right? So those are the dyes and which are linked to hyperactivity in children migraines and hives. Yes, I got freaking migraines, bro. I get bad, freaking headaches, right, and I never. Well, I didn't even know that until I read this. You know, for me, with my headaches, I'm looking at, you know, the arthritis I'm looking at right now, mind you, again, I stopped eating 95% of the sugars that I had eaten, say, 10 years ago. Oh, yeah, for sure. But I'm just bugging out that Skittles is on there, yeah, because of that, because they don't want to.
Speaker 1:It's too much money for them to use the natural stuff, right.
Speaker 2:So what would be a natural coloring, though, for food you?
Speaker 1:know what I mean. You can mix almost anything and make a color with food coloring. Oh well, true, yeah, that's what they do overseas. Oh right, duh. So when they do it for them, they change the recipe. They have to use natural dyes that you can make from natural fruit, vegetables, whatever's at your. I want to go over there just to get the.
Speaker 2:Skittles and just see what it is bro.
Speaker 1:Yo, it's crazy when you think about it, right? So if that's that way, what about soap and deodorant? And you know, because if they can do it with food, how much more is it Like? You do have to look at that. Like now, deodorant I use what's the woman on TV all the time, you can put it anywhere, deodorant. She has a man's line. Now I probably can't even say the name, but either way. So I use that deodorant and there's no aluminum in it, anything like that. Oh yeah, I didn't tell him about it, so which?
Speaker 2:is really good, yeah, lumi, that's the one Right. Yeah, lumi, yeah, yeah, yeah, I said it. I said it. That was a little shout out For Lumi, but see, so now dig it. Mountain Dew Is banned in Japan and parts of Europe that's right, europe Because it previously Contained a flame retardant which has been linked To ADHD, autism, memory loss and nerve issues. So I mean again, it's what Nerve issues? So I mean again, it's what the hell Like, seriously, mountain Dew.
Speaker 1:Norway and Austria ban foods like Twinkies, Kraft, Mac and cheese for their artificial dyes and trans fats.
Speaker 2:See, now I'm looking at, now it's Coffee Mate, Rich Crackers and Pillsbury Biscuits Banned in Switzerland, austria, hungary, iceland, norway, denmark because of the trans fats. Wow. So I mean again, you know, it's things that we never even thought of, you know, and we're just like, yeah, these are cool little snacks and whatnot, right. And now here we are.
Speaker 1:We're, you know, we're ingesting Right these things along with it, right? So now it's stuff that we don't really need Fair enough Right.
Speaker 2:So now, what do we do? How should we?
Speaker 1:You have to change your routine, you got to start reading these things, like start paying attention.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And then you know what you can and what you can't use or should use man.
Speaker 2:listen, I haven't had Twinkies.
Speaker 1:Now don't forget I won't eat a twinkie ever again.
Speaker 2:Well, but no, no, I won't eat twinkies again because they do funny bones, but I don't know about the twinkie bro that's funny.
Speaker 2:That's funny. Well, you know, hostess went out of business or bankrupt or whatever, and then somebody else went and they brought them out, but then brought them back and that some of the uh, they left the recipes the same, from what I understand, right and but I haven't had a chance. I haven't gone and tried it, but again, because I've been changing, I had changed the way. I'm right, right, I'm like, do I really want to go and do that, like right now? My biggest vice is because I'm lactose intolerant. I do lactate ice cream and um lactate and and uh, the, the um, you gotta be able to enjoy it. What's the ben and jerry's, the the ben and j's the dairy, the lactose-free, dairy-free, whatever it is.
Speaker 1:I didn't know they had it. Yeah, I didn't know that either. They all do. Now they all have their own brand Dude man, listen, let's see.
Speaker 2:It's awesome, it is insane. I love it, but that's my only vice right now, so in it you know what I mean. But it's it's crazy, bro, it is just plain crazy. The things that you just never even thought about, that again have the trans fats that other countries ban them in said then, when we're exporting all of our stuff, you know it's almost like our, our companies have to have two factories you know what I mean, no, not necessarily right, like they have to, but they don't.
Speaker 1:They just have to change the recipe and use the instead of what they are using, and you take it out and you put the, the natural replacement, yeah, so, yeah, well, they have a line that just does that, like you're saying, within the factory right, yeah, and I never paid no mind, that's what we probably look up in a minute.
Speaker 2:But what were you gonna I?
Speaker 1:wonder if we can get those brands here, though. That's the question. Oh, I'm sure you could, but you probably have to order it because you're not going to find it on the shelf.
Speaker 2:You, probably have to find it from a store overseas.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have to order it from Europe. Yeah, to send it back here, to come here, right, exactly, yeah.
Speaker 2:That is freaking hilarious. What are we going to read after you saw something there? No, because you know. And even with that, why is it that all natural foods cost so much more? Because to me, I mean, and I knew the answer to that I forgot it. Right now I'm having a brain fart because I got a headache because I had some skittles the other days, did you really? Yeah, no, I'm only kidding, that's not why I got a headache, but so you know. I forgot what the logistics were monetarily over, why it is that it's cheaper to pay uh to, to, why it's cheaper to buy foods that have all these extra things in them. You know, like the, all natural foods are more expensive.
Speaker 1:And I'm saying but that didn't make any sense to me yeah but once it's in big demand and it gets to that point, like it is with the food that's now, then it'll just flip Right.
Speaker 2:but it just bugged me out because I'm not paying all that money for the chemicals to keep the insects?
Speaker 1:and stuff for free.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'm like what the hell? That doesn't make any sense, you know, and, and I wish it wasn't like that it's unfortunate but it is.
Speaker 1:But that's the problem because there's the regulations in this country. They have to go to the congress and all that. I'm sure, like the people do actually go and to um conferences and things like of that nature about this. It's definitely being debated and making sure, and they bring up the same thing, they bring up the same fact that here in this country and they mention certain foods Like, for example, here McDonald's French fries, dude In the US, include more extensive list of ingredients compared to the European counterparts. In the US the fries are made with 14 ingredients, such as natural beef flavor, milk I'm sorry, natural beef flavor, which contains hydrolyzed wheat and milk, um and foaming agent, an anti-foaming agent, preservatives like tbh, uh, tbhq. In contrast, fries are europe, particularly in the uk, are simpler, consists of just um, potatoes, vegetable oil and sugar. Desk, gross, that's it. Three things, see, three things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't understand why it's not, why that isn't like that for us that doesn's crazy. That doesn't make sense, so now the reason why.
Speaker 1:Mcdonald's, bro, Right, but see McDonald's fries, bro. They're freaking amazing. You know what they do with their potatoes too, right oh?
Speaker 2:no.
Speaker 1:Wait what? Look it up. They bleach, they do something to them and they have to be kept at a certain spot. You can't. I think you gotta wait like a day before you can go. No, get them or something like that. I'm gonna put that in a minute. Yeah, it's crazy. So I was. I think tom spoke about this once before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he did. He probably did so it's uh, organic food is more expensive than conventionally grown food for several reasons production costs, organic farming practices are more labor intensive and use more expensive materials than conventional farmer. So organic farming uses more traditional methods like hand weeding the crop uh, hand weeding in the crops, and stuff like that, and crop rotation. So they're moving from this, you know, from these four acres, to that four acres and whatnot. Organic farming uses natural fertilizers, organic animal feed, other materials that are more expensive than synthetic and chemical materials, which, again, I don't understand If it costs more money to make these chemicals and mix them and to get them to me. That was my initial thought, right, because of how much money it would cost to.
Speaker 1:For some reason it's cheaper.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, they're not paying as much they would because it does cost more for the stuff you just said it costs. It costs you and I a lot. Yeah, also, of course, them a lot, and that, and that's why I'm but until it comes mainstream. But it's the labor. At some point it will you know it'll, it'll flip. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:It just seems like the labor is what costs more, because now it's them having to be out there. They have to go out there and actually do the weeding.
Speaker 2:They have to go out there and actually take care of the animals and stuff like that. Organic farms don't use GMOs, modified organisms, gmos. There's less land for organic farms. Organ organic farms typically have less than the conventional farm. So, you know, regular farm has, you know, 150 acres and organic farms are, you know, maybe 10. So they, you know they don't. They can't rotate the same way that the bigger farms, right? Would? Um, the synthetic pesticides? You know that alone is crazy. Certification costs, supply and demand, specialized farming, small scale production, uh, record keeping these are all the things that make it more expensive. And that's crazy, man, because then I'm almost like, well, what the hell? These are things that I thought that you would have to do with your regular. You know animals and stuff, regular farming and such. So obviously we're getting gymped Right.
Speaker 1:Right. They're saying hey, I don't care about the American health, right. I'm just more concerned about making money. Yeah, and that's their aim. There's no concern about their consumers or anything like that. Obviously not. I mean, if they put that stuff in it. But we're just guilty if we're going to continue to consume that stuff. Right, if you continue to consume it, you can't really complain about it.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, I don't know, but not that we do it on a regular, I'm sure. But now that we know we're like, oh, do I really want to have that now?
Speaker 2:Because it's got crap on it. Like you said, skittles earlier, right? Well, you know I'll right. I haven't done this in a while. Play devil's advocate. So now, if you turn around and there's, we already know that there's not enough land, space, places for organic. They just can't afford that much. The other ones can, that's what I'm. So then they charge more, but now there's not enough. So now, if everybody decides they're going to go organic, how are they going to pay for all that? You know what I'm saying. How are we going to be able to keep up? So we know that in regular, like we said, something that we had spoken to Tom about before was that they were giving the animals steroids and stuff you have.
Speaker 2:They were giving the animals, steroids and stuff to make them bigger you had to stop all of that Right, so that now there's not enough animals and they're not big enough. Is there really going to be enough? Well, that's a whole other subject. Right, exactly, so that then you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I see what you're saying, I get what you're saying because it's like an avalanche.
Speaker 2:Yes, you know Crazy, it's more than an avalanche. It's a boulder rolling down, just getting bigger and bigger as it's going down the mountain Right exactly Because even with Tom talking about flavored tofu and stuff like that and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference and the tofu turkey and stuff.
Speaker 1:I get that. I'm sure that at some point it's going to. I would think they'll be able to the best that they can shift it over. But it would happen gradually. It wouldn't happen right away. It's not something that's going to happen right away. It would definitely happen gradually through the years. It will increase the way it should. You know what I mean, not like one big shot. Oh, these three years, boom, they took over kind of thing.
Speaker 1:No, not like that I'm seeing more of a long-term thing that by the time we're older or gone right, it was already started having, uh, more positive um effects. Yeah, I hope so, because people saw it paying attention and go and I think, I think the other generations who will come around, hopefully will be a little smarter than we were?
Speaker 2:yeah, well, because they thought that we were smarter too right, you know what I'm saying well in certain aspects in certain aspects.
Speaker 1:So, in other words, it's like our kids, right. So I look it like this you want your kids to be better than you, right, right. You want them to do better than you, and it doesn't matter if they do, because you're proud of that and you want them Right, exactly. So I look at it in the same sense as far as the next generation, hoping that, hey, these guys, they go the extra step.
Speaker 2:Now they're not you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like they've learned from it. They're like yeah, now we're not gonna do this anymore, but we're gonna keep doing this yeah, no, no, I get that part, so hopefully at some point. You know the world, not just the country. But I think the world and I think America won't be anywhere close to in the top 10. They'll be later on down the line. They'll be the last to catch up, either. Yeah, they will, they will absolutely. We're so money hungry here. It's ridiculous. Yeah, no, no.
Speaker 2:I get it, but if we start to adapt a lot of those different things I'm saying, but then time it will take they would have to do the same thing.
Speaker 1:I think it would be more, but I think they would be last.
Speaker 2:Well, be less well, because other countries are already doing that. Right, you know, they're already ahead. There's a lot of them that are already doing a lot of things, yeah, which is natural. I mean that's right, but they've always been. You know, everything that I've ever read and or heard about in a lot of these other countries is, um, they've always been more natural. You know, they've ate. They've eaten simpler foods, if you will. You know, it's all about the fishing, the rices, the pastas and stuff like that, the bread is better, the bread is better, just the way that it's made is different and whatnot Not getting
Speaker 1:all that other crap that comes with it, but again it's unnecessary.
Speaker 2:But we supply so much of the world with what we have also, you know what I mean. We just supply a lot of food, the grains and you know some of the meat and stuff.
Speaker 1:We do everything. There's mass production of it, right to the point where this is where Tom comes in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, right to the point where the animals are so misused and abused.
Speaker 1:It's horrible. Yeah, because there's no mindset. To the point where it's a living thing, it doesn't matter anymore. Right, we need this. You know, to the point where it's a living thing, it doesn't matter anymore.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:We need this. You know the attitude is, but that doesn't mean anything. So and that's a shitty thing, you know, hopefully we do get to a point where you know the country will be probably more vegan as well.
Speaker 2:That'll take probably longer, oh yeah definitely, but it will happen, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:Maybe it won't, maybe it'll come sooner, because Tom knows better than I. I'm not a vegan so I don't know Right. So he would know with everything that's going on. So I would imagine Tom saying no, I think it's going to be earlier, so I'm going to go. I'm going to take B B.
Speaker 2:All right, Lewis. Wait till next week that is freaking hilarious, but yeah, I think.
Speaker 1:I think it's good for the country to know about this stuff and then leave it up to the consumer to make the adjustments, and that's when everybody starts doing it right. Everybody starts doing certain things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we all need to do that we all gotta take responsibility for, no, but I'm saying, you know, for how we eat or how we don't eat and all that other good stuff. So, yeah, you're a million percent right, you know, and I think that people, we are getting more um, what's the word? Uh, more conscious of what and how we're eating.
Speaker 1:Right, you know, we're getting a little bit healthier and paying more attention to things, right, yeah, not taking things for granted, yeah um, definitely, because of all the things that are coming out, that are.
Speaker 2:You know, I remember for a while, I don't even know I've said. This is one of those, the rumors you know about. Like you know, there was, um, uh, pieces of plastic that were in the rice. You know the mashed potatoes, bottles of water. You have microplastics microplastics in them and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:They say they find these things plastics in people's hearts when they do.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, yeah so you know, it's insane, so that's why we need to if we're going to survive in this on this planet. Right, that's why when I say america, because for us it's more about money- right now we're not out of that. It's going to take a few generations to get past that. Enough, yeah, because what it will happen, right, it's just we gotta wait. Yeah, like I, you and I may not be around for it. We might be in the beginning of it, which is fine, yeah.
Speaker 2:But you know, I'll be able to witness it, hopefully In the beginning of everything anyway. Right, that's true. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But I think it'll be good a good thing in general, I think and those generations will come and they'll make the adjustments and they'll protest and do what they have to do and fight for what they want and make the changes and fight for the planet at the same time, because it really is what is taking care of us and we're just shitting all over it. Exactly you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's terrible, it is, it's wild, and we never even think about it. Didn't think about it when we were younger, you know. Like I said, I was eating Skittles, bro, by the fistful.
Speaker 1:You know what they may have been saying. What I would like to know is when did they start using that? So maybe they didn't use it in the beginning and switched over to that, which is even worse than just starting out with that.
Speaker 2:Well, fair enough, yeah, but look at cigarettes.
Speaker 2:People say you know cigarettes, they didn't have to put the um, they put certain things in it to make you addicted to it, right, what I'm saying? But they didn't have to put the warning on the cigarettes, you know, after people had already been smoking for like 100 years. You know what I mean, kind of thing. But it was always on there. It didn't have to be. That's what I'm saying. Like it was, it was. It was to certain people that they had to put the warning on for it.
Speaker 1:It was like for pregnant women oh, they always said that Every time I smoked cigarettes, the side of the pack on every pack of cigarettes, whether it was Newport, Marlboros, Marlboro Lights, whatever it was said, smoking is hazardous, Really.
Speaker 2:I thought it was, it wasn't as much 65. In 65, the federal government mandated that cigarette packaging.
Speaker 1:Well, I was born in 66.
Speaker 2:Okay, see, so you figured if that was in 65 and people were smoking way before that and they didn't have the warning until then, and they didn't have the warning until 65.
Speaker 1:But it did come along eventually, yeah.
Speaker 2:So that was going to well, not, it is happening already, but cigarettes, weren't cigarettes warrant.
Speaker 1:What again what I was saying earlier about I wonder if skittles used so same with tobacco. They probably didn't start out that way right, but as time went on and progressed they did right changed over and they went over and they added stuff right yeah, which is worse?
Speaker 2:yeah, you know, it's just that's the point.
Speaker 1:I'm sure it's just when you think about it's like asinine, I guess you want to make money and all that Really To the point where you're just deliberately putting shit and stuff and not caring just as long as you make the dollar, and that's a sad thing.
Speaker 2:That is a sad thing, but that's where we are right now, that's the state of affairs.
Speaker 2:That's right, yeah, and it just sucks. Pay attention. I'm hoping that again, that people are going to actually like you said, whether they're listening to us, whether they're just talking to somebody and like, oh no, the doctor just ends up getting through to them. You got to eat healthier, you have to exercise. I mean exercise. I'm not me personally not saying and I'm the doctors that don't say the same don't get up and have to, like, go to the gym and lift 150 pounds and squat 750, and you know it's not that. The exercise is to get up and move you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, you shouldn't be sitting down all day long yes, if you are get up, yeah, walk around, yeah, when you're I know, I know it for sure.
Speaker 2:yeah, oh, no, definitely. I feel the difference too. Yeah, yeah, but you're at your desk, I know it for sure. Yeah, oh, no, definitely, I feel the difference too, but you know, get up at your desk.
Speaker 1:As far as having back issues and everything, don't make it worse. Right, get that viridesk or whatever Exercise.
Speaker 2:It's the best thing for it actually. Yeah, you have to. You got to walk. People think the opposite.
Speaker 1:Sometimes, when you to stay in bed, to get up and walk, it's actually better for you, right? Of course I'm not talking if you fell out of a car at 60 miles an hour.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, no, no, yeah, wait till the cast comes. Like you fell down on the ice or something you hurt yourself but right, you know, and that kind of thing yes, yes, so, but um, yeah, today, when you sit still, when you're still, that's when you start to die, that's when your body stops to move.
Speaker 1:That's what they say and they say if loss of muscle, Again it goes back to muscle too. They say if you don't keep your muscle mass up, it's not going to protect you, you're not going to have it. You get weaker and you get fragile and shit happens Like I walk a lot at work. Get my steps in all day Like we do this. You know what I mean Crazy steps bro.
Speaker 2:And I don't even know what mine are. You're probably more than me, but I have almost 13,000. Yeah, yeah, I'm probably around the same thing today because today was a slow day. You know what I mean. But that's good, though. The idea is just to get up and move and stretch people. We need to stretch. Sometimes, when I forget, I'll get that lazy moment and I'll stretch. Well, that's what we were saying earlier about being aware of certain things so that's why I like talking about this topic because oh, you know just the fact.
Speaker 1:You know you things. You knew that you were eating the whole time. Again, like I said, we got to find, see if you can see, when did the company start putting? Is there a question we could ask to figure out when they, when the company start changing their? Did they always use this recipe or there's something like?
Speaker 2:as far as Skittles, yeah, well, geez, can you figure? When GMOs Tom was talking about how long was it GMOs that they just started doing that? Like the last 10 years that they started taking GMOs out. That's insane.
Speaker 1:Check it out Lucky Charms man Lucky Charms. That shit is so crazy, this cereal contains artificial food coloring, such as red 40, yellow 5, and yellow 6, which are linked to hyperactivity in children and other health concerns. These dyes are banned in Norway, Austria and the EU. It requires warning labels on foods containing them.
Speaker 1:That's crazy bro, all right, so they don't play around europe, and I I love that about them, see. But remember, you know, you gotta think in a lot of ways europe is ahead of us, right, right, okay, we're fairly young here, right, think about history, it's not long you think about europe and you think about the places overseas. Right, they've been around for like almost forever, right?
Speaker 1:yes, you know so they just wanted us. You know what I mean. They they're like okay, no, we can't do this anymore, we gotta do it this way. Yeah, it doesn't make sense, right, right and so you know. But you know, we're still in our infancy, I believe, until I don't know, if I don't know, if I have our own way but see, I don't want to say that, that, uh, that ignorance is bliss.
Speaker 2:I don't want to. I don't want to go there because, for me, we still know what was in it. We still knew the things that they were putting in that weren't a hundred percent like. Even look at asbestos.
Speaker 1:Right, asbestos was supposed to be, you know, fire retarding it was all that other stuff beautiful right, but then people were dying for it Right, people who were mining it and people who were doing all that.
Speaker 2:So it's like you know they didn't think to cover your face. Coal miners Coal miners are in there, they're digging at this shit.
Speaker 1:No masks. They didn't wear masks or nothing, and they were in there. Wait a minute, wizard of Oz run into oz, right, and then the wicked witch does a thing throws a potion out, yeah, over the top of her ball and everything, and then it starts snowing and dorothy falls asleep, right, because she said oh, poppy said she did this whole thing, and then the other witch came in, right go ahead.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, I thought you were saying that that was a chemical, that it was something that was bad for them that they had in there. That's why I thought you were going with it, because what I know from that in the original Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 1:No, no, but it was what you just said. I feel like a nigger. What the hell were we just talking about?
Speaker 2:Talking about the Asbestos. Asbestos, yes, okay, right.
Speaker 1:Asbestos. They used asbestos for the snow scene oh, no shit, I didn't know that yeah, you threw me off, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, you threw me off, sorry guys, sorry, that was a funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, that's great that's funny, but no, I think you're talking about because the uh, the paint that they used on the green witch was toxic also the uh, also the scarecrow, the not scarecrow, the uh tin man, tin man, the original, the original actor, from what I understand, was allergic to it. Yeah, so they couldn't use him. They couldn't use it all the time. They had to put it on, take it off. Put it on, take it off.
Speaker 1:No, the first guy had to go. He couldn't do it. Oh, there was another actor, the second I didn't know that yes, exactly yes, no shish kebab, but this one did Wow. Yeah that was pretty crazy yeah.
Speaker 2:With the stuff.
Speaker 1:That and now that you think about it now. So that's what I'm saying. It takes time, generations for people. We need to figure things out. Hopefully it'll be quicker because you figure as you progress. Yeah, right, you become smarter than the last time, right?
Speaker 2:Not necessarily all the time. So here, manufacturers again still on Google search stuff. Manufacturers became increasingly aware that certain ingredients used in their products were banned in other countries, particularly in the European Union, over the past few decades as stricter regulations and consumer awareness regarding food safety grew, leading more scrutiny and de-aditives and stuff that they put into the foods. So it's only been a few decades. So let's just say a few decades. So if it was three, four, so in the last 40, 50 years, right, they've been putting shit in the food. That's when they realized that oh shit, wait, you can't put this in there.
Speaker 2:But I bugged out, I couldn't believe how many things that I had found, and I'm not going to name all of them right now because I can't remember all of them, I just didn't do it. Now. Formaldehyde, bro, was in so many different things, oh yeah, and I was like what Arsenic? I'm like what, yes, like all these things. And then when we meet the funny that we did that before with Tom in another episode that cocaine was in Coca-Cola Back in the day, right, it's like when it first started because that was you were able to get cough medicine too with it, I think.
Speaker 1:And I think there was also a marijuana one too before they, because it wasn't illegal when it was first back in the day because they didn't know what it was.
Speaker 2:Then they made it illegal.
Speaker 1:They put it, you know, then they.
Speaker 2:But you still have. I mean, we had tribes so Native Americans, indians, overseas, just the Vikings and such. They were chewing on marijuana leaves or coca leaves, or coca leaves from back when. Yes, you know what I'm saying. Like I said, not just here in the States, all over the world, tribes from back when were always doing this, but they were doing it the natural way, right?
Speaker 1:Not that it was necessarily good if they were doing it all the time, but right, no, no. And they did a lot of doing lines because they knew right, exactly, but they didn't process it right, so they didn't step on it enough.
Speaker 2:They chewed on whatever exactly they were just chewing on the leaf to get some of the effects, but just to help them get through the day. This guy, you see, yeah, that's the ticket I'm sorry but no, you're right, man. Yeah. So then all the things that we even see, like I said, even as far as um natural drugs, so I said so, the marijuana, the poppy seeds and stuff like that, right, poppy plants, I'm sorry you know things like that those are all things that all natural in super moderation changed and modified, right they helped you out, enhanced.
Speaker 2:Exactly these were things. The shrooms eating shrooms was a whole different thing than what it is we know now outside as far as drugs are concerned, not food, but now it's more a positive thing because of what they do and what they help for people now Because if they use psychedelics now before it was just to do it. People still do it to have phone with obviously right, right, right, but it's because it's you can use, because it does help.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying drugs to help, right the right issues when it's done in the right way, like anything else, you know. But if it's too expensive, it goes back to the same question.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's a whole other episode, right?
Speaker 1:no, I know, no, I don't need to keep bringing it up, but I keep saying I agree with you, I agree with you 100, but you do see more of it now, right Now.
Speaker 2:You see microdosing and you go to therapy for it.
Speaker 1:You can order it and you have to do a whole thing. That already means it's working its way.
Speaker 2:It's eventually going to get better and better as it goes. Remember when computers first came out? Oh yeah right, nobody wanted to freaking use them. Everybody was scared of them Right.
Speaker 1:When they got the towels right, they were so expensive. Now you can buy a computer for building exactly, you know.
Speaker 2:But going to the, to the shrooms and stuff back in the uh, 50s, 40s, 50s and 60s, you know the darker side of of life. I guess we'll say keep it light. But they were experimenting on people right, using the psychedelic drugs, and you know the, the all drugs, as you know. They just experimented on people give them different doses to see what it would do to them. You know the, the all drugs, as you know, they just experimented on people give them different doses to see what it would do to them. You know what I mean. It was people of all colors, races and religions.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. They test it all the time. People always volunteer and they make money doing it and the people make money they make. That's what I'm saying. The people make the manufacturers, no, no, I meant the people who do it. You can make money doing that yeah, don't suggest it, man, because man, because yo listen, this is something I'm not going to say, but not suggest anything. We're just saying hey, if you didn't know that, you do now.
Speaker 2:Yep, if you didn't know, now you know, now you know, that's it. If you don't know, now you know. But yeah, I agree with you. Yeah, it's just crazy. Governments as a whole, more quote-unquote influencers as a whole. You know, social media and stuff. Um, doctors, they're learning things and they're spreading the word well, different. Yeah, right, exactly, you know, just spreading the word listen, be careful of these, look out for those. And then, as we start to hear from different places, we do our own research. We're like, oh, my god, that's what it is, dude, I love me some spaghetti. Okay, right, the red sauce, mama mia, but it gives me a headache. It contributes, because the acid that's in it contributes to the heartburn.
Speaker 1:so you gotta sauce now, so jaw sauce uh, well, I'm so, you know you make your own sauce like you know prego and ragu kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:You know, I mean I've never made my own sauce, but when I eat red sauce, like say in a meatball hero, I'll get a headache. You know, the acid kicks my ass for the acid reflux.
Speaker 1:That's true, so you should look at it right.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying so. I have to look it up now to figure it out. You know absolutely. But again, I'm at the age point in my life where I'm like, geez, I really do have to read every single.
Speaker 1:Now you do, because it's, it's, it's. The system is overwhelmed. Everybody wants to get their product out there, right? They want you to have it yeah they're all going to take the shortcut some are some, some I shouldn't say, well, there are others that are out there and again, they're it's, they're working right their way through nice because they've known. Yeah, because it's natural, and they don't use this uh-huh as much or nearly as much as these guys do, um, and they try to go the right way.
Speaker 2:So you know it's healthy, you can take it and eat it, whatever it might be well, even the chicken. Think of how many you know of the chicken commercials that we've seen back in a day where they even then now they're telling you in the commercials, we're not putting this, we're not using that right, right.
Speaker 1:They say, yeah, they're trying to let you know, they're letting you know aggressive, but not necessarily is that always the truth. I'm sure there's a couple that have, I think, been found where they would say that, but they actually weren't doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you see, that's why I'm like you know. But that's so. Just because it's on the label doesn't necessarily mean that that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1:Doesn't mean that at all and that's the thing why are they allowed to put it on the label if they're not allowed? If they're not doing is what I'm saying, right? So at some point someone's got to call them out on it. And I would think, imagine, imagine that it would be turned over and say yeah, you got to. You can't say that, you have to be like you know well, no, I know it's a matter.
Speaker 2:I guess it's like anything else. It's how many people are on the job to be able to go and do the you know, the spot checks to make sure that they're not putting all these things into the food all right because they have to make right.
Speaker 1:I'm sure once they find out and they figure it out, they go like yeah, no Right. It's one of those things you know, Again, I guess it's If you're not doing it, you have to say you're not doing it, or you just don't say it at all. You don't say it at all. Right, exactly.
Speaker 2:You know and you know you're saying like we talk about the people overseas here. They've been around longer, they've checked, you know and seen and the life experience over there is way more ahead of us.
Speaker 1:Oh, dude, yeah, um, it probably would be almost equal, I'm sure, in the sense of where would we think of it this way? I always had this. I had this thing that I always say in my head imagine if, what happened, if, if this country worked with american indy when it came, instead of it turning out the way it did, and think of it where we melded in and we're still going in the same direction, but both are working together to get there, right, okay, all right, you're not invading some place, you're not kicking them out, you're not, you know, whatever, right, imagine what it could be. Imagine what it would have been like if they, you know, just progressed that way rather than going the way that they did you know, Do you think that?
Speaker 2:then you think the food would be quote-unquote.
Speaker 1:Cleaner I think things would be. I would hope things would be more about cleanliness, taking care of each other, versus worrying about who's going to make more or what and who's going to you know what I mean cheating and stuff where they would be more sensitive to it. I get you. Yeah, I can see that. It's something I always think in my head. It's a weird thing, but when you think about it, imagine if it would be on another timeline. We already did that, so it's possible another timeline somewhere that's actually happening that's freaking hilarious, man.
Speaker 2:That is freaking hilarious. Uh, I'm, I'm gonna. I'll agree with that, you know. I do believe, you know, switching up a little. I do believe that if our cultures as a planet melted a little bit better, yeah, yeah, it would definitely help everything and it will.
Speaker 1:Again, it goes hand in hand with all that stuff, right? Because then everybody kind of is in the same place almost. And everybody's like yeah, no, we got to do this.
Speaker 2:We can't keep doing this anymore. And then everybody just works together.
Speaker 1:But but, like I said, it's going to take time, it's good oh yeah, but it's definitely going in that direction yeah, you know what tom does, and then all the other yeah um people who are the activists as activists, yeah, go out there and you know I'm thankful for him.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I appreciate him all the time. You all have all sort of things, unfortunately, you know we don't do you know, we're only human. Yeah, I know we're doing the best we can. I can't say what my vice is. You know, like, what my activism is all about.
Speaker 1:No, we don't have one. That's it, I mean. But I'm sure there's certain things. Just in general, yeah, but yeah, no, it's good that it's going and people are paying attention to it and people are going in that direction a little bit more um like people being more open with themselves now and not worrying about what people think and being who they are and things like that right. So it's kind of going, it's being hopefully it'll get more accepted and things people will just be like all right whatever man, it's really no big deal yeah, no, no, I'm with you.
Speaker 2:I'm with you. Yeah, I again, like you said, you know, riding on your coattail.
Speaker 1:With that, the world coming together and hopefully and and doing that, otherwise we are technically our own worst, our own worst enemy yeah.
Speaker 2:You would say oh, yeah, definitely yeah, so yeah I think that, yeah, the foods, though, in general.
Speaker 1:So now, like you said earlier, I didn't mean to cut you off, but we need to look at what we buy. Like Tanya and I, we do more sourdough bread now than we do regular bread.
Speaker 2:Dude yeah, because it's so much better for you.
Speaker 1:But now, what's the difference, though? It's because of the way it's actually. It's a bacteria, it grows, it's a whole process. We'll have to talk to Tanya about that and have her on and explain it to us. I don't want to say exactly, but it's much better for you If you could do it. Whether it's what you feel like pretzels and shit like that, you can get them in. That you know. You just check it out. So there are alternatives, they're all coming out. But how does it taste? Oh good.
Speaker 2:I love sourdough See, but like I, I love potato bread.
Speaker 1:I don't know if potato bread is bad for you or good for you, I don't know. I'm saying like the taste. As far as the taste is concerned, I think the taste is good the taste of like Sourdough is good See.
Speaker 2:I'm going to put you on the spot, though Is a sourdough bread better tasting than potato bread? I'm not a big potato bread fan. Oh, get out. You know what?
Speaker 1:I, you, I don't want to talk to you. I haven't had potato bread in, like god, it's gotta be over 20 years really bro, oh dude, I love potato bread on a boyga or with a burger.
Speaker 2:I haven't had the urge to go. Hey, you know. Yeah, I can go to some potato. Oh dude, I do. Bro, oh dude, I do. Well, no, then I'm gonna have to, I'm gonna have to check into the to the sourdough now, each each brand has that.
Speaker 1:It tastes different obviously right, don't expect one.
Speaker 2:You know, it's the same thing with cupcakes and all that other shit. Right, I'm sure, I'm sure.
Speaker 1:So and you can even get those more in the natural area. You know there's stuff out there, it's coming out, people doing it, yeah, companies. You know they're starting to see it happening.
Speaker 2:So, hopefully it just keeps going in that right direction I got to get with with tom, with a lot of that stuff, because he's the one that he's the, the, the quote-unquote foodie. You know I'm saying the vegan stuff. So then it's like to hear what is not in the food is what I'm he loves food because, yeah, tom has told me before where he's wanted he's gone.
Speaker 1:I actually believe he went to cooking school, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, he did, yes, yeah, for a little while, um, um, and then he had other things going on so he had to. You know, he couldn't finish it off, but nevertheless, the man still loves food and he knows a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying Actually. Sit with him and be like yo dude, what's up with this, how's that, what does this look like? This way, he can at least point me in the right direction with a lot of that stuff. Maybe we even do an episode on that. For him to get a healthy food, I guess a search with Tom Well.
Speaker 1:I think it's the same thing. The only difference is you're going to just subtract the things that you can't have anymore. That's what it is yeah, you can't have meat and dairy, and if you do, it has to be certain.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm not even talking about that. I'm just talking about, like, how to look to companies as far as just the bad stuff that they put in the food. You know, I'm saying like we said before with the in the beginning, with the, um, the steroids in the animals, you know, the grass fed and things like that, like he knows about a lot of that stuff. Right, you know, I'm saying like you know, just to hear what some of the chemicals that they may put in like.
Speaker 1:You know that well, we can. We could always look that up, but but we didn't. Unfortunately, we've come close to us ending, but yeah, they're doing that with the chicken and all of that stuff. Now it's a chicken from now to from when we got one back in the day. Bro, that chicken's on. You know, he's on Roy's Boy. It was pumping before he came.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was like buff.
Speaker 1:Right Back up, but I like buff Back up, right Back up. So, but I like that we did this one. This is a good one because everybody Can relate in some ways, can relate. Well, they eat, everybody eats, yeah, you know. So now they know yeah. You know, and it's going to be hard for some people. If one dude decides, you know, maybe it'll be easy, maybe it won't Like. It's the same With the cigarettes you quit smoking, I quit smoking, so you can do it.
Speaker 1:You know, whatever your vice is, you know, just kick that shit To the curb man. You do something else you know If you can do it, fine. If not, hey Que sera sera.
Speaker 2:Whatever will be, will be, and with that we're going to say goodnight, my friend.
Speaker 1:Love peace and hair grease Okay goodnight, we'll do that one. Well, go ahead, Tom Go ahead.
Speaker 2:So love peace and hair grease. Thank you for listening.
Speaker 1:Live long and prosper.
Speaker 2:And for.
Speaker 1:Tom go vegan Holla.
