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Unraveling Nocturnal Mysteries: Sleep Paralysis Encounters, Cultural Insights, and Resilience in Dreams
Have you ever felt an invisible weight pressing down on you during sleep, leaving you frozen in fear? Join us on an eerie journey as we unravel the mysteries of night terrors and sleep paralysis, starting with a spine-chilling personal encounter that left us questioning the boundary between dreams and reality. We dissect the difference between nightmares and these more intense experiences, sharing stories of how they impact not just the sufferer but those who share their bed. Through humor and shared narratives, we explore the psychological and physiological roots to understand these nocturnal disturbances better.
Our conversations then take a fascinating turn as we explore global cultural interpretations of night terrors. Different societies have their unique explanations and remedies, from Western psychological perspectives to spiritual beliefs in the Middle East and Asia. Discover the intriguing rituals and traditional treatments that people rely on to protect themselves from these nightmarish experiences. This cultural tour offers a broader perspective on how people around the world have tried to make sense of and manage these unsettling episodes.
Lastly, we shift our focus to the broader theme of mental health, highlighting the importance of therapy and open conversations in our fast-paced world. We ponder on the role of dreams, stress, and substances like alcohol in shaping our subconscious experiences. Closing with a message of resilience and gratitude, we encourage our listeners to appreciate the present and face life's challenges with strength and positivity. With a touch of humor and a nod to pop culture, we remind you to live long, prosper, and maybe even consider a plant-based lifestyle.
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Hello and welcome to Coming Across the Jersey Guy Podcast. I'm Lewis here with Kenny and our friend the Jersey Guy.
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Speaker 2:Yes, anyway, all right, sir Luke, go. So tonight's podcast we're going to do a podcast on sleep terrors. I just had one recently. Okay, I just had one recently, so I want to share it. It's my first one I've ever had and I didn't like it and I wasn't having it.
Speaker 3:That was the first time you ever had one.
Speaker 1:I was not having it. I've had bad dreams, but I've never. I've had some really bad dreams, but not like.
Speaker 2:I felt like I was being held down and I was trying to get out of it.
Speaker 1:I was trying and I was trying to get out of it.
Speaker 2:Oh, I was trying paralysis right and I was you know I think so right, and I felt weird. It was like something was just at the time. Whatever it was, it was freaking me out. I got so mad that I was like get off. I screamed that loud oh my god, sorry, scared the hell out of my wife. She almost pissed herself.
Speaker 3:All right, that's true, oh my God man.
Speaker 2:But I was so angry because I was not having it, I was like no, yeah, I wasn't giving into that.
Speaker 3:I was like yeah, so I'm glad I had that kind of response, but it was a weird, but it was scary as hell at the same time. Don't get me wrong, I was scared the shit out of me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I felt like I was cornered and I was like yo. No, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:I'm out. You've never, you've never, ever, ever had one that is knock on wood. I haven't had knock on wood and you've never had one other than the other night, just recently. See, I've had several throughout my life no, I haven't.
Speaker 2:I've had a lot. I've had the weird thing where you feel like somebody's in the room with you or something like that. You ever have that, or you think somebody's around the house or you don't want to move. You just laying in bed, oh my god, yeah, that happened. Yeah, it's so scared that you're paralyzed.
Speaker 3:You paralyze yourself oh no, not, that's not that like that, never happened yeah, I, I think I, when I was younger, I did that once.
Speaker 1:Really I was bugging, I was upstate every time the theme song used to scare the crap out of me the um remember unsolved mysteries.
Speaker 3:Oh, that show used to. I used to do it all the time I would get scared Like I don't know what's in the house.
Speaker 1:I hope there's no scary evil murderer. You know, like that is great.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Let me read something about Night Terrors real quick.
Speaker 3:Well, wait, wait, go ahead. Which part? What are you going to read?
Speaker 2:Like where it originated.
Speaker 3:I'm going to start off with the common.
Speaker 2:Also known as sleep terrors.
Speaker 3:All right, so go ahead. You go first. Go ahead. You wanted to do common.
Speaker 1:I was going to say so, night terrors are more common in kids. Really, I do know that, I read that.
Speaker 3:Right, and it's rare in adults. That's correct. So then that's why I was saying if mine was going to be the pre to yours, so what you're going?
Speaker 2:night terrorists, also known as sleep terrorists, are also episodes of intense fear, screaming and failing while still asleep. They usually occur during the non-rapid eye movement and REM stage. Thank, you Stage of sleep, Often when the first few hours of falling asleep Unlike nightmares which happen during REM sleep and are often remembered night terrors typically have no memory of the event. So you could have that too. I was lucky enough to. I remember what happened, so what did?
Speaker 3:you see what happened in the dream like I felt, like these black things were sticking into me, bro, like needles.
Speaker 2:I didn't feel them like it was just the fact that was something was going in me and I didn't like it like, like venom's, like uh it was weird like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like that it was weird, but and so you
Speaker 3:didn't explain going in and you just couldn't move. And it was like this like trying to struggle.
Speaker 2:I was, I was, I wasn't having it right. I was like you know, I'm going the other direction. I'm not going to give into this yeah screaming like I did earlier. Yeah, just scared the hell out of my wife. That's crazy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I said, and I apologize, yeah, right it was surreal.
Speaker 2:It was like something was holding me down and to believe that that's the thing I want to get into. So this they all talk about, they say those are the one of the things that could do people actually believe with different cultures, believe it's actually something I was going to, not some you're doing, but something about it or something else is doing it to you.
Speaker 3:Like you know, like a spirit, or like a spirit or right. Well, so dig it. So in mine, and I've had this for a while, so I don't even know how far back it is that you know somebody actually did that shit to me or whatever it was, but that I'll see two shadows, like one at the foot of my bed and one kind of like next to me, down by my knee.
Speaker 3:And they're kind of like holding me down. I can't move. I could just like move my eyes and I could look to like my feet to the foot of the bed and I can see them, and then I'm like, but I can't say it or do anything loud enough. That's fine, and I can. I can't move and I could almost see like they're almost like on a smile, but there's no teeth, there's no mouth, like just like these little shadow figures right, and then I'm like and I kind of like in that movie, man man.
Speaker 3:Which movie.
Speaker 2:What the hell was the one with the balls? Oh, phantasm, phantasm, thank you.
Speaker 3:And I could see that, and it's crazy because and I said so that then it wasn't until now well, yeah, until now, being married, that I like I have somebody to wake me up, because it almost always happened when I was by myself, which sucks even more. So then I can't move and I can't do anything. Oh man, and I'm awake, and I'm awake, I know I'm awake because I could see, like I could see the car lights, you know, in the window, kind of shit.
Speaker 3:You know, I can see that I move, like I can see that I'm stuck pinned under the covers and shit like that, and then I'm bugging out, like I said. So it's mostly in kids under 13 that have these night terrors. So then I can understand from when they're saying that there could be a trauma, because that's what they're saying so.
Speaker 2:you're saying we're relieving a trauma that we did when we were kids.
Speaker 3:I know I probably am. Whatever it is that's stressing me out subconsciously.
Speaker 2:Or it could be anything really in your life. Think about it. Right, you know whether it's work or the you know family issue.
Speaker 3:Right, right, right right. But I'm saying that, you know, for kids we always assume that they are going or what their mind processes as a trauma. You know what I mean? That we're supposed to be able to cope better as we get older, so then we wouldn't have that tremor. Well, yeah, I get it, but that's what the I guess it's quote unquote logic is that as we get older, we can deal with our traumas better. You know what I'm saying, whether it's that we're actually able to voice our issues, you would hope Not everybody can do that Right.
Speaker 3:Or that you'd be able to work through it to where you're not going to have these kind of bad dreams and such. You know what I mean. So then here I am, that I'm having them probably more often than you know, than you would think, right.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. So something's going on in your thinking, yeah, and I just don't even know. Oh, yeah, then I'm afraid we should get a hypnosis for the show and do it right here on the podcast, then my ass will start saying shit for real, yeah, like yo listen.
Speaker 3:Shut it down, shut it down for real, yeah that'll be fun we should do that. I don't know, man. I don't know if I want to be hypnotized bro, I said that to him and he was like don't call me chicken, I don't give a fuck. Call me chicken all day long, it's all good.
Speaker 2:Go ahead. Causes of night terrors, sleep deprivation, right Stress or anxiety yeah yeah, sleep disorders, conditions that sleep apnea or restless leg syndrome can play a role. Yeah, fever Obviously, we know that. You know when you have fever and then you're taking your medicine, you're gonna have some kind of crazy fucking dream off the top of your head, but I don't know if I would have a night time.
Speaker 2:It was usually like something crazy really. You remember, right, your mom gave you your cough medicine. Yeah, you had to go lay down and you slept, you're sweating it out, or whatever, and then you wake up like, well, that's the thing that the hell was that, but that's when I sleep, or I have slept my calmest Genetics.
Speaker 3:So now that's what I'm. That's why I would have to say it's kind of like, you know, hereditary.
Speaker 2:Not hereditary. It could be hereditary.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I don't know if my I don't know anybody in the family that ever about night terrors, so. I didn't even think about that. Yeah Right, so then that could be. You know what I mean. I don't know, that's wild.
Speaker 2:Well, so check it out. They have cultural experiences, what they believe. Certain cultures believe different things. When it comes to that stuff, rather than it just to be the logical, well, it's probably this or that, or whatever the reason Causes of you know. Well, it's probably this or that, or whatever the reason you know, um, causes of night terrorists, let's say I just did this cultural connections supernatural relic okay, right. Spiritual and interpretations uh, central massages right, right, okay. So that's pretty cool when you think about it yeah, yeah, that is.
Speaker 2:That's wild like and I know ptsd not that it's good for you, but I'm saying the fact that cultures look at it differently.
Speaker 2:You know right, yeah, it's like something's going on and that spirit's coming to visit you or whatever you know I think I always when I think of stuff like that, when they say cultural, I always think of the American Indian, always, because they were all about medicine and the spirit and living off the land and doing it for the time that they needed to, and they did it the right way. Well, I think all cultures had an indigenous have. I know all cultures have an indigenous history, so they would believe in stuff like that. Is what I'm saying, right?
Speaker 3:so they believed all that stuff and they would do their own dances and everything for it Right, and it's to ward off all evil and bring you to good luck and all that other good stuff. Just to say it doesn't work. Yeah well, I believe I mean.
Speaker 2:They said I believe that you know, go ahead. I'm just saying I said I would.
Speaker 3:Anything that makes you feel better is the work, as long as it's not causing harm to you or those around you. You know what I mean. Then you know, do it Like you said. You know you just have to be safe in anything and everything you do. You know that's the hard part, that's the hard part. But I know PTSD is a trigger for night terrors. You know what I mean. And anything that's a PTSD, anything that was again a traumatic stress to you, is what it can be.
Speaker 2:What you got. So we were just talking about the cultures, right? So you have Western culture, middle Eastern cultures, asian cultures. So Western cultures. In many Western cultures, night terrors have often been seen through the lens of a psychological and medicine. They are considered sleep disorder and explanations rooted in neurobiologically biological stress and genetics. That's critical. That's us. Yeah, of course, because if we had fucking overanalyzed everything in this fucking country? Middle Eastern cultures?
Speaker 2:in some Middle Eastern cultures, night terrors are sometimes attributed to the jinn, the supernatural beings that can influence human affairs protective measures such as reciting prayers or plaque I'm sorry, placing religious objects nearby and bleed to ward off the entities Any entities, for that matter.
Speaker 1:The djinn.
Speaker 2:Isn't that supposed to be?
Speaker 1:similar to what the genies were. The genies were called.
Speaker 3:They were like these demons, right exactly, and it's crazy because they're doing on the Discovery Channel, history Channel, stuff like that. They're going out to where, like you were saying before, with indigenous, the American Indians, and they're going out to like a lot of their old I don't want to say grave sites and stuff but like where they used to do their powwows and stuff, where it was a super spiritual connection for them to have their meetings and people are seeing like the skinwalkers and stuff like that and that's you know what people associate to what is the night terrors. You know they said that once they follow you home and stuff like that, because you were doing something wrong. That that's when you got the night terrors right.
Speaker 2:you know what I'm saying something's going on that's stressful in your life. That's just uh, practically paralyzing you.
Speaker 3:You know right exactly doing it to yourself.
Speaker 2:You know right, exactly so, uh, asian cultures, chinese cultures and traditional chinese medicine. Night terrors are sometimes linked to imbalance in the body. Key, key, right? Okay, that makes sense Because the key is yeah, absolutely. Remedies might include acupuncture, herbal tea treatments and dietary changes to restore the balance. Japanese and in Japan, night terrors are occasionally associated with the Kaiden ghost stories. Some people have believed that spirits of the ghosts cause the experiences. Rituals and practices to appease and ward off spirits may be employed. I'm sorry, I just said that, yeah, it's good stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, african cultures, and then you got indigenous which is the American Indian, which we're going to read when you're done. No, no, go ahead. No, no, no, I was going to just go off what you had already read, but read that one.
Speaker 2:Indigenous. Various indigenous cultures around the world may view terrorists as a message from, and stores or spirit world. The experiences could be interpreted as important warnings or guidance necessitating the investment of the community. Could be interpreted as important warnings or guidance necessitating the investment of the community. Elder spiritual leaders to decipher and to understand any meaning. I'm sorry, guys.
Speaker 1:I apologize.
Speaker 2:These cultural interpretations reflect diverse ways that human societies understand and cope with the unknown, blending science, spirituality and tradition. Have they encountered any cultural interpretations of night terrors that you might find particularly interesting?
Speaker 1:You know the thing is with night terrors. See, I'm like it happens to more than one person.
Speaker 3:Right right.
Speaker 1:That's what makes me think it could be otherworldly.
Speaker 2:Okay, who's to say it's not oh?
Speaker 1:that's woo, but like think about it.
Speaker 2:The nerd in me says possibly, of course, Like how is it?
Speaker 1:a phenomenon that happens to a lot of people. You know what? I mean like there's got to be something a little more something supernatural, something right well that's what we were saying before, maybe something a multi-dimensional
Speaker 2:being right, like stuff like that, but that's either way so scary as all hell yeah no, no, you'll know when you know how you feel.
Speaker 3:But the thing is this though, but like you know what I mean, it's too coincidental that it happens to multiple people. Like you know how you feel, but the thing is this, though you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:It's too coincidental that it happens to multiple people.
Speaker 3:Like you know, there's something to it, but there's a lot of people that have you know. A lot of people are stressed out for whatever it is.
Speaker 1:Whether it's your job, whether it's you know your grocery, whatever Stressful life existing in our society it's, you know, whatever life.
Speaker 3:Yeah right, it's super stressful society. So then it's gotten to the point where, think about it, how many people in our age range really go to therapy? You know, I'm saying no, no, no, I'm saying like how many, like how many, so out of a million people, yeah.
Speaker 2:So you would say like maybe five, yeah, our range or my range, because I'm a little older.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm just saying, and you know, in our 10 years, in our 10 year, you 10, 12-year spread here because I think, more than before, more than before. That's what I'm saying. So now we say 50%. So 50% of people in our 12-year spread right here. Okay, that then Go untreated. That go untreated. We're looking at maybe 75%, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying Of the population in this age range does not go to any kind of therapy. So then they don't know how to cope with.
Speaker 3:You know, because they're at that age that we're stressing out and stuff Like this shit that I'm stressing out about now, that I never would have stressed out about. You know what I mean? That I didn't start stressing out, you know, and I'm, and I'm, it's a pain, yes, it's a hassle, because I'm stressing that about it now, so I get angry myself, stress out, so that then now time, and you lose exactly, and it's on your mind and it's occupied with it and it just and I almost rules your life in a sense.
Speaker 2:and right, you know Right.
Speaker 3:And the same coping skills that I've had Going through it right now. Yeah right, the same coping skills don't work for all the things that I have. You know that I'm stressed out about now.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. Sometimes the things that you're used to doing don't necessarily work with this particular situation.
Speaker 3:You're encountering or going through. Right, right, right, but then the thing, like I I said before, I don't even know what's going on, like I can't even sit back and say yeah, this is what's happening. So then you know, I'm stressing out over this stuff, you know what I mean like you need a fucking hole in your head. Oh yeah, right, so then you know you get that anxiety that expression.
Speaker 2:We're growing up the parents of that shit all the time. Yeah, it's old school sorry people you know.
Speaker 3:But that's you know, that's. I think that that's something that people have to understand and realize. You know. I guess you just have to be able to try to talk it out. Maybe talking out would be easier or, you know, if you suffer from these kind of bad dreams as a whole, because you said you don't get the night dream, but you have bad dreams. You should talk about it, you should describe what's going on.
Speaker 2:You need to find somebody that you can be comfortable with.
Speaker 3:Right, you need to talk about it, you should talk about it.
Speaker 2:You should describe what's going on you need to find somebody that you can be comfortable with Right, oh yeah and then be able to sit in front of them and tell them what's going on?
Speaker 3:no, matter how bad you feel or how uncomfortable you are, the only way you can do it if you address it.
Speaker 2:The idea is that you'll probably wind up-.
Speaker 1:Right Finding out what it is that than just to let it happen. Yeah, we were talking before we were recording. I've had some crazy dreams. I've had dreams of falling that's that I've had before. But then I've had a dream where I was in an explosion and I went up in the air. Dude, that's insane and then I woke up, but even better. I've had dreams of being in a nuclear explosion.
Speaker 3:No, but are you bugging out? Not from?
Speaker 1:close where I'm watching the mushroom cloud. It's just getting closer and closer and closer, and then I get blown back and then I wake up. But are you? But now?
Speaker 3:so, after the dreams, though, do you think about what the dream came from. Like do you go and you?
Speaker 2:look it up, something you're watching.
Speaker 3:maybe it up, yeah, something you saw beforehand, like did you watch an action flick before you know, or something.
Speaker 1:This is years back in, like the early 2000s, oh no, the last time you've been on it. Yeah, I was having a lot back then. You must have been tripping on something. No, I wasn't. I really wasn't using.
Speaker 2:Yeah, see, I wasn't even back then, wow, yeah you know I was.
Speaker 1:I was just around drinking age oh, yeah, yeah. The thing. But you know, and actually that I've had, actually alcohol has induced like a lot of that. I don't know what that is Like. I've had like, for instance, almost exactly one year like maybe 11 months before 9-11, we went to Italy. My friend was studying abroad. We went there and, like I drank a whole bottle of grappa. That night.
Speaker 2:What was going?
Speaker 1:on.
Speaker 3:I was 19.
Speaker 1:I was like cause there was no drinking age there, so we took advantage of it. And I had this dream that, like I was in like Edgewater at the time, I was working this like security job. I was like one of those parking lot security guards and a friend from my high school was with me and lot security guards and a friend from my high school was with me and we just see a bunch of like airliners and like fighter jets, like shooting them down. My, my friend goes oh, they're attacking us again. And I was like but then when 9-11 happened, I was like, wait, maybe it's the other way around, maybe it's the planes are the ones that they're shooting down, the planes, because they're the ones who are going to attack us. Yeah, I, it was like I had this freak out, that's wild, I don't know if that was related, but it could have been.
Speaker 2:Well. That's definitely something to be concerned about. It's a bad dream. Why are you having those dreams?
Speaker 1:But then I've had dreams of nuclear explosions and shit. I've had a lot of dreams of planes falling from the sky, and now Wow.
Speaker 3:They're happening wow, they're happening now. What's going on? Here's this guy.
Speaker 1:No, don't start talking about that, but no, I'm just saying you're right, it's happening in the news.
Speaker 3:Well, so the other scientific thing on the night terrors, it's, you know, it's deficiencies. So yeah, um, yeah, so mind everybody, I'm, you know, going on dr google stuff here um, so, vitamin deficiencies can cause night terrors, or they think that it might be you know, a contributing factor. So, um, uh, decreased serum, uh, vitamin d, uh, calcium, decreased calcium, uh, things like that, can you know, contribute to you not having I mean to you actually having these night terrors and whatnot. Again, that's why I think they say that it's more for kids, because kids are trying to eat junk food all the time.
Speaker 2:I never had that happen to me when I was a kid. That's the thing.
Speaker 3:But see, I've had this shit my whole life, right.
Speaker 2:Okay, but see, I only had it the one time, so it means that whatever was going on at the time if that's the case, or whatever I was stressing about that's what supposedly it came from. You know, I just felt like it was a little bit more than that and I didn't like it and I wasn't, I wasn't about to have it.
Speaker 3:So yeah, I told them so well see. So now here's a couple of meds that they say can cause night terrors prozac, zoloft, lexa pro. No uh selexa and paxil, yeah, I don't take any of those things, yeah, but I'm just bugging out because it has to listen if it, if it's random the way it was, and it didn't happen again, which it didn't, luckily.
Speaker 2:Thank you know.
Speaker 2:I'm thankful for that, I'm not being a smart ass, because I don't want it to come back right um, um, it was just what were you like, what you were just saying, you know, it's just, uh, for the one time it was pretty scary, it it. It wasn't nice, it wasn't uncomfortable. It felt like you were being restricted, like something was somebody who was holding you down, and you didn't like it, you know. So, um, for the for it to happen now is what I was trying to say. Um means that something was going on. Either I was stressing about something or something was going because it was so random.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean Exactly.
Speaker 2:It just kind of happened and then you know, but I just haven't figured out what though I mean. I could probably point to a number of different things at one time.
Speaker 3:Right, but then you know, for me that's just fishing. The other thing, yeah, but you're trying to find a reason, an excuse, whatever, well, not excuse.
Speaker 2:necessarily, I like to figure out when shit happens to me that I can't explain right off the bat and then I try to figure it out and go, okay, you know what that might make sense. And usually I do figure it out. It takes a little while, like it'll just happen random, right, like you know it's not. You know two days, three days. Sometimes you, oh, yeah, that thing that happened and you're like, oh, okay, now I got it. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like I'm sure you guys had that happen to you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, definitely yeah, you know, but for me, having the dreams, like you have Tom right Watching the, you know, jumping off a building. They say if you jump off a building and you hit the ground you die.
Speaker 2:You're supposed to die.
Speaker 3:Meanwhile. I've hit the ground.
Speaker 2:Is it like the Matrix?
Speaker 1:Did you?
Speaker 2:just not, were you actually jumped off a building?
Speaker 3:Or were you just falling in your dream? So before there was Matrix I was having like Matrix dreams.
Speaker 1:Like you were able to jump off of things, or you know that I have had and you'd make like amazing feats, like you'd jump from one building to another. Yes, things like that.
Speaker 2:I've had flying dreams where I've actually flew.
Speaker 3:Right, but I've done that. I've tripped off of a building. You know, yes, not that I was jumping off, like I didn't jump off to my death, you know what I mean Almost like if I was trying to fly in the dream so I had jumped off, I just had the dream where I was just falling.
Speaker 2:Okay, I mean, I'm not to say that I may have had a dream where I fell off or something in my dream, but it wasn't like I was jumping. Usually the falling thing is what would happen and you would wake up Right Like what, the Like before you would hit the bottom, or whatever. It is Right right, that feeling that you get you actually feel like you're falling.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because your body mimics it. So now you falling asleep like that and jumping in your sleep means that you're actually asleep, like now you've, like now you're out.
Speaker 2:That's when your body, like that's that, twitch I've had that I get that twitch for a while and that you ever get that where you've been laying in it, just like oh yeah, yeah, that's that yeah, that's supposed to be that you've actually gone to sleep, like now you're in your you know beyond the.
Speaker 3:REM stuff that you're knocked out before, yeah, so, so you're, or like or like I've also heard something like your body's asleep, but your mind isn't, yeah Well or your mind's asleep, but your body's not asleep.
Speaker 1:That's what it is. Your mind is asleep faster than your body's asleep.
Speaker 3:Exactly that's why you do that joke Right, there's like haven't gone fully down the seat yet, but then that goes back to where. Maybe this might be one of those things where, if you're having these kind of bad dreams, that we go back to the other episode we did and have those those tones or the things to help you to be more conscious.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, so like listen to 528, which is a really good sleep, to do those things to help the binaural beats no, no the frequency. The frequency. We listen to it every night.
Speaker 3:But that's on the assumption and it works. If we're going to go by the scientific stuff of what they say, the night terrors are where it's. You know, You're off.
Speaker 1:You're on the wrong frequency.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, that's where I'm going with this, right now You're on the wrong frequency.
Speaker 2:That makes sense, that could be.
Speaker 3:Why Right? Right, you know, because, again, if it's a PTSD kind of thing, right and you need to, just you know even now again, you can't experience that that could be what it is, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:That makes sense? You never know, because I'm telling you, man, listen for those who've never had night terrors, you know. Again, god bless, and I'm hoping you Nobody has to deal with that shit. But they do kind of freak you out and if you're by yourself it sucks because there's nobody there to wake you up. You know what I'm saying? There's nobody there to jolt you Like you know mine, like you said in yours that you were actually like girl I got on.
Speaker 2:I was like yell loud, yeah, I can't. I got off.
Speaker 3:I can't even speak.
Speaker 2:You do that how.
Speaker 3:I yelled earlier. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:yeah Was exactly how I yelled. And I scared the living shit out of my wife.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, mine, I can't speak, I can't do it. I can do that moan, what the hell? Yeah, and Jessica was, like you know, trying to wake you up. See, that's scary.
Speaker 2:No, no, whatever I think. You know I'm not trying to. I do not want to experience that again. But I wasn't, you know, I just felt like I needed to push back. Is the way I felt in the dream. So they talk about spiritual and ghosts. Many tribes believe that night terrors are caused by spirits or ghosts. These entities might be ancestors trying to communicate to you, malevolent spirits causing unrest.
Speaker 3:So then, I want to know who the hell which is what Tom was saying earlier. Yeah, because I make a lot of fucked up jokes.
Speaker 1:Some good stuff here. Yeah, that's why I'm always like, I'm always like wondering like you know, sometimes there's stuff is more than surface. What about this?
Speaker 2:Like if you, I don't think you want to hear this. Shapeshifters Some More than surface. What about this? You, I don't think you want to hear this. Shapeshifters Some stories involve shapeshifters, creatures that can transform from human into an animal form which might be responsible for night terrors.
Speaker 3:So that's what the Indians are saying, that that are the skinwalkers. Yeah, the skinwalkers.
Speaker 2:The Native Americans. That's what the skinwalkers are Shapeshifters.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yep, that's what. The skinwalkers are Shapeshifters yeah, yep, that they can actually, and those are those shadows, so that then they go. So, according to their beliefs, skinwalkers can be anywhere. Right, because we don't know who, what, where, when or why, whatever. Everywhere that we walk if we really want to get into that kind of history stuff everything is Native American land, so then we don't even know. Right now we're on a burial ground. You know what I'm saying? That this was a burial ground 400 years ago.
Speaker 2:We don't know that, but something's saying that they don't like it.
Speaker 1:Some people that believe that what the Native Americans were seeing were extraterrestrial.
Speaker 2:Possibly or interterrestrial.
Speaker 3:Right, exactly, and then that's where you go.
Speaker 1:There could be living beings that live inside the earth or something like that.
Speaker 3:There's a whole theory behind that too interterrestrial there's like higher intelligent beings, like living inside the earth among us, but we don't know they're there. No, no, no joining to the center of the earth what about the water?
Speaker 2:they say when the UFOs go in the water. Supposedly they can stay under there.
Speaker 3:Yeah right right, right, but I'm saying what he's talking about is more like in the center, the journey to the center of the Earth thing like that.
Speaker 1:Like it was weird the, the couple who bought it, the first couple who bought it, were that started having the problems. They, uh they actually had to give permission. Like it was part of like when they, when they bought the house they have have like permission to like dig really, yeah, like well, it's in the ground there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, because it was again native americans, right, of course that you don't want to serve that land and that's what that land, but there's also a theory that there's something in there, right, yeah? There's people all over that place. There's what like five shows, now right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and there's like it's the same guy who does the narration for the Oak Island. Oh, that's right. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Somewhere in the Atlantic.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly Oak Island. What's the other one, frog Island? Right same thing. Frog Island, skin, skinwalker Ranch, like those are the same in the same thing right, I got you.
Speaker 2:I like that stuff cause they're looking for stuff and they're trying to find it. That's where the Skinwalker stuff comes in, but they take you on a journey and they never really get to what right? That's the downside.
Speaker 1:I'm waiting for all kind of people to find this shit the biggest edging in the world. Yeah, exactly, yeah, it is, it's true, but this is that stuff where they say that all that comes in Same with Skinwalker Ranch. They never get anywhere, right, yeah, because they don't find anything.
Speaker 2:I do like it when they do certain things.
Speaker 3:But, there is a lot of-.
Speaker 1:When they do find stuff or hear things of you know there they've seen ufos, or right okay? Yeah, but like there's been a lot of activity at skinwalker ranch, skinwalker has of late, but more lately than a handful of years.
Speaker 3:But like.
Speaker 1:But like my thing is is like the native americans um indigenous people, they, they, they have. There's like a lot of lore about skinwalkers but like, who are they right? So now are they spirits or they like it could be both, but well spirits actually it could be also a debate.
Speaker 2:They could be malevolent and they could also be good.
Speaker 1:I'm starting to think that spirits are just from you know the fifth dimension, so that then possibly right so that was a good group, by the way.
Speaker 3:But you know, you got to look at fifth dimension. That was a good group, it was music.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:No, but so when you have. So the Native Americans, when they prayed in certain places that was what they believed there may have been a portal to the other dimensions. Skinwalker Ranch could possibly be on one of those portals.
Speaker 2:In the ground. Right, that's in the ground. Right, that's in the ground. What's that thing that they always say, you know we totally went in a weird direction. But they say, you know, like, if you mess with certain things, if you open certain things, right. You can leave, leave something, get in right from another place, Right, you know you don't want that. Yeah, you don't want that. Yeah, they always tell you, like when the Ouija board was big right.
Speaker 1:Yes, they're like don't fuck with that thing, because if you open it up somewhere and let it in, it can have a problem, right.
Speaker 2:You know that's bullshit, but at the same time you got to really be like yeah maybe I should be messing with, Well, but that's what we're saying.
Speaker 3:So then you know, is where you could be living if there's something going on in your space. You know what I mean. It could be that that portal is open, you know. So look right now this year, for the next couple of months is when the planets are going to line up and we'll be able to see them from Earth All the planets, basically lined up.
Speaker 1:I need to get a telescope. Makes sense. You've been able to see a lot of planets lately.
Speaker 3:So then, this is the year for that stuff.
Speaker 2:This is the year of the snake. By the way, Right Chinese New Year yes.
Speaker 3:So, spiritually speaking, this is when the planets are aligned and there's different energies and certain astrological signs are going to feel things a little bit differently and see things differently and have those dreams, have those feelings, have those possible night terrors. Find that love or whatever the case that they put in.
Speaker 2:Don't ignore the image of Aquarius.
Speaker 3:There you go, and that's where, like I said, if we're going to look to spirituality as a cause of the night terrors.
Speaker 2:Well listen, the American Indian was very spiritual when it came to the animals, everything. So they worshiped those things because they knew that the earth itself is what gave them life. Right, because this is life. Mother Earth is what we should be protecting, taking care of, and that's what they did, and they did a great, freaking job.
Speaker 1:Yep. Well, are you guys familiar with the Shulman resonance?
Speaker 3:No, If you look it up, sounds familiar.
Speaker 1:It's supposedly like a frequency that the earth puts out. Okay, and it goes through ups and downs when it's a really high frequency. Right December was crazy. I was watching it. It was like in the white on the frequency which is like high, too high, too high frequency. And it was like in the white on the frequency, yes, like high, too high frequency, and it causes people to have like insomnia and I was in those days. I was having insomnia issues. Well, you're right, yeah.
Speaker 3:So then that goes to what I was saying before. Yeah, if having these night terrors because you know we're feeling it connects the earth to make you dream right. So then now you're looking at listening to the earth.
Speaker 1:Somehow we don't realize it.
Speaker 2:You know, react differently, yeah exactly, you know well, you know, wait, it could also be witches and sorcery too, you know well right but that goes back to.
Speaker 3:But then that's still part of the skinwalker ranch stuff. Right, because that's still the.
Speaker 2:let me finish what it says. In some tribes, witches and practitioners of dark magic are thought to cause night terrors as a form of punishment or mischief. You see, so they can do it on purpose, right, exactly. So it's like casting a spell, almost Hell. Yeah, it's like a joker, you know.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, mischief, exactly.
Speaker 1:Just like chaos.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah Like you know I'm an agent of chaos or something like that.
Speaker 1:Like yeah chaos or something. Yeah, yeah, like, yeah, yep, that's what.
Speaker 3:When he's burning the money, right, yeah, we burn the money right, yeah, but again and that's why we have to, you know, I guess, said we can because of of what we believe and how we see and I'm talking every person, individual, not just talking about religion or anything you know just what all of us believe could trigger these night terrors. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3:these are the things I think it'd be any of the any of the above, really, yeah anything can be a you know whether we want to be scientific about it, and say that it's a vitamin deficiency if you know, or taking certain kind of pills you know methods to help you with whatever it could be that you know if you were stressed out about something at work. Work, that that's. You know methods to help you with whatever it could be that you know if you were stressed out about something at work that that's you know something at work for adults you know work stuff relationship you know anything like that.
Speaker 3:You know it could have been that somebody just stressed the living shit out of you Family member Driving home. Yeah, family members could do it, you know.
Speaker 2:Just remember, though and adults is rare. Just remember this, and we're probably going to do a podcast on this but toxic people in your life, regardless of who they are, whether they are family or friends, it doesn't matter If they're making your life miserable get rid of them. Yeah, cut their asses off. It's not that you don't love them, you just don't need them around.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you can see them once every two years.
Speaker 2:So that's what I'm saying. It goes to. That too is what I'm saying. I don't want to get into that now, but you understand what I'm saying, right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. So then now we look at kids, and kids have always been what you know, they say have been more sensitive to a lot of things, without even knowing it, whether it's spiritual or just the anxieties of growing up. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Go ahead more sensitive, more feeling more things and reacting, and feeling things more than I used to and it like, but it really I've been a lot more, get emotional older, like spiritually uh aware. Okay, and I would feel like I yeah I feel but younger like if I see something right, it's gonna hurt or whatever.
Speaker 2:Like, oh, because I, I can feel it really. It's like, yeah, like I almost can, I don't want to experience it. You know what I mean. Can feel it really. It's like, yeah, like I almost can, I don't want to experience it. You know what I mean when I see something that's hurt or or dead like an animal on the road things like that. Those things trigger me and my, uh, I get totally. I feel like I've just I kind of almost go through like a morning. In a sense. It's weird well.
Speaker 3:So now they say when you know older people, so more in tune.
Speaker 2:Think is possibly what it is.
Speaker 3:Well, so older people and children are the ones who feel sense a lot of these things. You know what I mean. That's us turning around and like who's that? Who's that Looking over your shoulder real quick? Or you think you see something? We'll call it instincts for the moment.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean Going with your gut, and you know what I mean it's whatever.
Speaker 3:And kids, they're the ones who sit there, and when they're playing, they're the ones who look up and they're like Mommy, who's that? You know what I mean? Because they'll see that ghost or that's something from the other dimension. You know what I'm saying? Or animals sometimes, or animals too. Animals do the same thing. So then it's all these things that could be there well, we can't dogs freak me out when they do that yeah, cause you know it's like they don't even bark.
Speaker 2:That's the thing usually when they hear something, they bark yeah. But when they get up and they look and they stand, yeah, and their head turns and goes like this and they're looking at them like yo, what are you doing? Yo, yeah, yeah, who the fuck are you looking at?
Speaker 3:yeah, that from the Google research is talking about are contributing factors to night terrors.
Speaker 2:That's why I thought this subject would be good, because it touches on everything, really, what we think of. We're into aliens, we're into the afterlife, we're into all that stuff. We always think there's something, one way or another. It's more than just the obvious, which is great, because we're freaking nerds and we like talking about all that stuff Right, definitely you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:We, you know which is great, because freaking nerds and we like talking about all that stuff, right, definitely you know what I mean, so I hope everybody likes listening to it. You know, I thought it would be. I'm glad we had this conversation because I'm thinking, man, this is scary stuff. I mean, if someone's having this all the time, you know, I feel for them because I would not want to, I would not want to have to be that person and go through that stuff yeah, it does.
Speaker 3:It sucks, like I said I don. I said I don't have it, like you know, once a month or whatever. You know I might have it every like. I think in 2024 I had it. I think I had three of them, Okay.
Speaker 2:You know before that I hadn't had it in a couple of years.
Speaker 3:Well, I haven't had it, and I didn't have it a couple of years before that. You know, I haven't had any yet, but it's just one of those things. It happens, it just happens and it just. I can't even tell you what triggered mine.
Speaker 2:You just got to Anything, man, when you think about it.
Speaker 3:It's just a pain in the ass. And they are man, they are scary. The only thing I could suggest, if anybody can, is, even in the middle of the night terror, just try to calm down and, in your dream, just control yourself. Yeah, you are in control of your dream. You know what I'm saying. If you know you can't move, don't panic, don't panic yeah.
Speaker 2:But don't turn around, don't panic. That's what I do Calm down.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, like you know, but don't turn around.
Speaker 1:Yes, right, don't panic, calm down relax, you know, and get through the dream, get through that night terror, yeah, kind of just. You got to like psych yourself right kind of like, so is that what you're? Saying like yes like tell yourself like it's not real yep, it's not real.
Speaker 3:Gotta go easy. Take it easy. I'm gonna move in a minute and your body will slowly bring itself out of the sleep, because it's that fight or flight. You know what I'm saying. And if you get super scared, you know. I mean I'm sorry, but if you get like that super angry and anxious and you start to fight, it makes the night terror worse. You know what I mean. Like now you really really can't and now you start to feel heavier and everything else with it. You know, and it could be literally in your dream, right, because night terrors are different for people. In your dream, that you can't move when you actually wake up is because you done turned over, rolled over so much you're wrapped up in your blankets. You know what I'm saying and that's what it was. So your brain associated it that way, or your sleep brain. I'm just saying for some, I'm not saying no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:I agree with you. I, you know, it's just who. Everybody's different, they're all going to do it in a different way. Uh, I wanted to share something real quick, um, because it talks about stress and everything like that. Uh, I got a new phone going through the motions and this is about being grateful and realizing what you have. So, yeah, with me. So you know, and I'm freaking out, I can't get my password to work. I'm trying to get my phone connected, all this other stuff. Then my wife says to me hey, babe, remember that fight hailey was talking about down the delaware? I'm like, yeah, she said that guy lost his house, his everything, lost both his animals, uh, everything he owned. Um, and then I thought it's only a fucking phone, don't stress over the bullshit, the small things, things, man.
Speaker 2:I know we all. When you think of something like that, that is heartbreaking to hear that. So when we were talking about how I feel, I felt immediately I was like, oh my God, I just that's horrible that someone's got to go through that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:And so being grateful for all right. So what's your phone? Who gives a fuck? You can't have your phone for like three or four days. Whatever it is, you have to do get over it, right Kind of thing. So I was kind of learning from it, saying you know what?
Speaker 1:My wife reminded me and I'm like it's kind of like when people say first world problems. You know what I mean Right, right.
Speaker 2:It's like oh, my phone's all messed up yeah right it's like you know what.
Speaker 1:You're right, and I felt bad.
Speaker 2:I totally forgot I put the phone down, I left it alone, we were done, and then we just, you know, we moved on. Yeah.
Speaker 3:So, yeah.
Speaker 2:So my whole point was really is just to hey guys, we all got shit going on. Think about it, what it is You're really stressing over before before you allow it just to because I know I'm one of those people I can overanalyze shit and I can make myself think things I shouldn't. But just be, you know, get to yourself and just figure it out.
Speaker 3:Hell, yeah. What were you gonna say next time? I think I'm gonna say something no, oh yeah or I forgot.
Speaker 1:Yeah see, enjoy your life. Yeah, it goes fast.
Speaker 3:yeah listen, yeah listen. Shit happens. Just be easy For those who may have night terrors that listen, some of us get them. I've had them forever in a day. If there's a trauma that I don't remember right now, it is what it is.
Speaker 1:Just stay strong.
Speaker 3:Get through it, Stay strong and with that love, peace and hair grease, Live long and prosper and with that love peace and hair grease, live long and prosper and go vegan.
Speaker 1:Hello, hello, hello.
