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Guardian Angels: Beyond Faith and Folklore
Guardian angels exist across countless religions and belief systems, but what are they really? Are they literal celestial beings watching over us, or simply metaphors for the luck and intuition that occasionally saves us from disaster? In this thought-provoking conversation, we journey through different perspectives on spiritual protection—from religious traditions to modern metaphysical interpretations.
The discussion takes fascinating turns as we consider whether our conscience might actually be the voice of a guardian entity steering us away from harm. Each host shares their personal relationship with the concept: skepticism blended with openness, metaphorical appreciation, and genuine curiosity about what might exist beyond our physical reality.
Perhaps most compelling is our exploration of non-human guardians. Could your spirit animal—whether it's a koala, eagle, or panda—be your spiritual protector? The conversation weaves through indigenous beliefs about animal totems, the deep bonds we share with pets, and whether these companions might continue to watch over us after death.
We venture into even more speculative territory, questioning whether guardian angels might be ourselves from different dimensions, ancestors taking "protection shifts," or even extraterrestrial beings misinterpreted by ancient cultures. The parallels between angelic descriptions in religious texts and modern UFO encounters raise intriguing possibilities about what these protective forces might truly be.
Whether you're a firm believer in guardian angels or a skeptic curious about why this concept endures across cultures, this conversation offers fresh perspectives on the protective presences we sometimes sense in our lives. What guides your path? And how might you recognize when your guardian—whatever form it takes—is trying to steer you right?
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I'm Lewis with Kenny and the Jersey Guy Tom. What's?
Speaker 2:up.
Speaker 1:What's going on, brothers?
Speaker 3:How y'all doing. I'm good man, Excellent.
Speaker 1:We are here again. I love this time.
Speaker 3:Yes, it's the most favorite time of the month.
Speaker 1:Absolutely yes, yeah, all good, yeah, it is good man Anyway let's get right to it. Then let's get into the business. Guardian Angels, what do you guys think? Do you think they're real or do you think that everybody, Like you know, everybody has a different way of looking at it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1:But it does root from certain things that we've grown up with too.
Speaker 3:You know, Judaism, Christianity. Right. Every religion has some kind of guardian angel and stuff Right.
Speaker 1:And it pertains to angels and things of that sort.
Speaker 3:Right, right. So do you believe you have one? I don't know, because you grew up jewish, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, it was funny. Even though I did. I never really heard about angels and stuff like that a lot. I did that on my own stuff that I, you know I was geek, so that's the kind of stuff I would look into or read or watch when I was going to school, got it something I would persist on my own, didn't have any influence with anybody else as far as my parents were concerned. I'd have to say that but yeah, you know, I don't, I don't know, right, I feel you. I do know, do you?
Speaker 2:believe in it. Yeah, I'm not really.
Speaker 3:Well, no, you're not really, but I mean so then what would be, I guess, the equivalent for you, I mean as a metaphor.
Speaker 2:I believe in it. Like oh you know you're like. Oh, you looked out for me, you're my gardening angel. Yeah, okay, I believe in it, like oh you know like oh, you looked out for me. You're my guardian angel. You know, like that thing, but not like in, like a. You know like I actually believe in a guardian angel.
Speaker 1:But as a metaphor, like for someone who's like a good doer, who, like you know, looked out for you Because of you I was able to get to somewhere on time or whatever it might be.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it could be anybody. You know what I mean. Like it's just like. I mean like even to me, like you saved my ass, yeah, yeah, exactly yeah, you're my guardian angel, you know. So that, then, that's the some of the thoughts, the theories, some of the feelings from some people is because that's so, that voice you hear in the back of your head, yeah, isn't like so much your conscience as it is someone, as it's your guardian, rejecting as it is your guardian angel.
Speaker 3:It's your guardian angel. That's no saying no, lewis. Don't do that, tom Doc, you know what I mean. That's supposed to be your guardian angel talking to you. I don't know, man.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying it doesn't. You know what I mean. Of course I believe in the supernatural and all that stuff. We're geeks. Listen to, watch all that we're off the wall. You know I wouldn't put it past it that maybe I always try to think who, what do you mean? Who, who, like? Wouldn't it be somebody you knew? No, not necessarily.
Speaker 3:No it could be. It could be anybody, it could be anything or anybody. So right. So now we go for a hot second. We'll do Christmas. It's a wonderful life I'm not saying that can only be people.
Speaker 3:No, no, I'm saying, but it would be that that's people trying to do the right thing by being your voice to make sure that you live righteous, like I said, and it's a wonderful life. Clarence was the angel, his guardian angel, and Clarence was the was the, uh, the angel his guardian angel. And clarence, you know, was still trying to get to that status. He wanted his wings right, so to get his wings and all that other stuff, but he would stay forever being george's guardian angel, so he jumps in water instead, and then it all right like that's
Speaker 2:right time a bell rings and angel gets his wings. That's right, all right, that's enough. Christmas, it's not even.
Speaker 3:We're just trying to get, we're trying to get to some of the mothers, some of the mothers, um, but you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:So then it's not anybody, you would know, it's just somebody who's gonna look out for you, or whatever it could be, whatever saint you you know, I guess it's so. For me it's, it's that other voice you know, it's that what gives me the luck, points me in the right direction, whatever you know, um, so I guess I do kind of believe in it. It, but it's like I said, who it is is the issue, is the question. You know, right, you want that, you hope for I guess that it's going to be somebody you know, somebody that liked then I would think, can it be an animal?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Like a spirit animal. Does it have to be someone who's human in order for them to be your guardian angel? If you can have dogs in life, why can't you have them in death?
Speaker 3:Well then it'd probably be whatever it is you want it to be.
Speaker 1:I'm just asking, I'm saying, I'm just putting out the question I know the american indians believed in a spirit animal right, right, everybody had that.
Speaker 3:And like when they would come out when a child was born, they would stick their head out of the uh, the tent, and you know, right, see, no sitting bowl, you know all that other stuff, you know yeah, I had a dirty joke. My uncle told me a long time ago but I'm not gonna tell you now. But yeah, man, like I said, it's just one of those things you know, I think. I think a lot of us need like enjoy having that extra something yeah yeah, and to just be like bruh.
Speaker 3:It's, you know, just my conscience, you know to. Oh my God, my guardian angel just saved me from crossing the street today. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:What's if a guardian angel is like a metaphysical, like a non-physical entity that just kind of guides you? You know what I mean, like a power source instead?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like makes things happen for you. You know what I mean. Kind a power source instead. Yeah, like makes things happen for you. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Kind of guides you in the right direction, like, oh you know, oh, it's just luck, but is it? You bumped into him. You know what I mean. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So you're in.
Speaker 2:Like from like another dimension, like a helper, from like a fifth dimension.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, you know that's what we said in one of the other episodes, that it was like you know your dreams and we're right back to time travel again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:Hey that's what we like. Yeah, it always ties in. Though it always ties in, it does.
Speaker 3:It's always, but because that's that geek part, I know, but anyway, so then it's. You know, is you, yeah, from another dimension, as you're saying, or another time, or whatever? Wow, that's that voice, you know. I'm saying that's you, that's someone who's well, yeah, somebody you know. Well, maybe it's just subconscious. Like I said, you know, it's that voice, it's just yours, it's your seventh sense, right, if that makes any sense yeah you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:yeah, it's that thing. People do believe in them you know, they say they have. They say you can summon, if you want, right, your guardian angel, right.
Speaker 3:So now to show themselves, but our guardian. So then, and so now. Here's the next thing, though. Saints, excuse me, would a saint then be your guardian angel? No, because he covers everybody Right. So then it's like networking. He's the supervisor, you have God, and then you have the directors and the supervisors.
Speaker 1:You got your lieutenants Right. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:So then would that be the same idea, I guess in some sense. Yeah, only because I'm saying I know in some religions people pray to what they believe was a God for everything. So a God for water, a God for land.
Speaker 1:A God for this.
Speaker 3:So then, were those our guardian angels? Were those the saints? Would that be equivalent, right, right, and we're not supposed to. Well, people who are religious, like that, you know, uh, depending on what religion they pay homage to the saints, right?
Speaker 2:you know what I mean, right, I'm telling you man, it's, it's wild because, you know, I mean there's a lot of things that I've done that.
Speaker 3:I'm glad I had a guardian angel you know what I mean it was a wild and crazy ride. Baby, you have one? I think think so. Yeah, yeah, mm-hmm. What are you reading? What are you seeing.
Speaker 1:So Christianity, rooted in biblical teachings, through an explicitly labeled as guardian angels versus Luke, mathis or Matthew, I'm sorry 1810, suggests angels watch over individuals, particularly children. Psalm 911 speaks at angels guarding people in their ways. Catholic Church teaches that each person has a guardian angel from birth. That's the Christianity, judaism, the idea of angels and divine messengers, and present of the Torah and the Talmud. Some Jewish traditions suggest that angels intercede on behalf of humans, which is kind of what you're talking about, ken.
Speaker 1:you're more on that level is where you're at, which is fine with me, because that's a good one, because they just intercede if necessary.
Speaker 2:But here's where I'm going to. You know where I'm going to take it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's the idea. No, no, go, let's go, that's the idea.
Speaker 1:We still have Islam.
Speaker 2:I didn't forget about that either, but you know I'm going to take this right.
Speaker 1:Nope, go ahead. No, but here we go.
Speaker 2:Aliens. Yes, man, I knew it I didn't want to say it Like the meme.
Speaker 1:Right. Could it be an alien visiting from a different time or present?
Speaker 2:Because a lot of the stories in the Bible and Torah about angels. They're never described as like some with wings that can fly. It's always like they're like human looking Right. Almost like a deity, yeah, yeah yeah, like that kind of thing, like in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah like the angels telling those people to get out or whatever, but they were just described as like.
Speaker 1:They were told not to look back Right.
Speaker 2:And that they rode on pillars of or clouds during the day and pillars of fire Right. What does that look like? Yeah, ufos look like yeah, ufos, rockets, ufos or whatever, ufos, whatever.
Speaker 3:But that was more. I don't know if those would say guardian angels, as, more to what people believe would have been, is a god.
Speaker 2:So angels, guardian angels, I would think, same realm. So if that's what angels are, then maybe it's garden angels, yeah maybe from another dimension, you know yeah I, I, I'm, I.
Speaker 3:So for you know, like again, you know we play the fence sometimes, so you know I get it. I. I think that's kind of cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just wish that then he would take me for a ride in a spaceship but, whatever you know really go for a ride hell, yeah, what's good I said that when I was 14, bro.
Speaker 2:That's just me, my belief on like religious stuff, but you know, I could be wrong.
Speaker 3:Right, I'm not going to lie. No, tom, no, go ahead. What you got, let's see.
Speaker 1:Islam. You said you were. Islam. Muslims believe in guardian angels Karamanan kadaban I apologize for butchering it. If I did, of course I probably did who record a person's deeds. Angels also protect and guide believers per Allah's will.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, right Right.
Speaker 1:So the spiritual belief in here too.
Speaker 3:And I mean like, because of how I believe in my you know higher being what my religion is to me. You look at all the different things that people believe, uh, when you tell them and as far as the religion is concerned, right, so that then is it just, it's just your subconscious, it's like it's not even anything, it's just you. There's no guardian angel, it's just you. On your p's and q's, you know, your, your, uh, senses are heightened so that then again, the guardian angel is looking out for me. You know, because I almost crossed the street, it's you and you know, right, right, right, your, your instincts, your natural instincts, right, you know, like we talk about. You know, when we walk some places, certain neighborhoods, or seeing things or whatever, there's things that we notice, there's sounds that we hear that we like, oh, no, look out, you know, it's again, that's me thinking.
Speaker 2:Well, you know it could go either way, it can go either way, you know.
Speaker 3:It's what makes you happy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't really. I don't know if I can believe in it, though I mean I do, but I'm like then, you know, why don't we see them? You know, like I haven't seen mine, right, I don't think I have personally have one, just saying Well, I mean again, but if I do, but I, I've called it out a few times I would speak to it If I do have it, show yourself yeah.
Speaker 3:But they didn't listen. Yeah, no, no. Well, they probably did, and that's when you didn't stub your toe when you walked out of the room. Oh, okay, see.
Speaker 1:What happens if I was sitting already? Then it was that you got up and you didn't fall. Maybe they can't show themselves.
Speaker 3:They caught you before you fell.
Speaker 2:They can't show themselves.
Speaker 1:They can't show themselves, then it's just a ghost. What was the movie that What's-His-Face did, where he fell and became a human being? Not Nick Nolte, nicholas Cage, nicholas Cage.
Speaker 2:I know what movie you're talking about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the girl's on the bike. She dies and then he's stuck on Earth. Remember that movie? What's-his-face was in it.
Speaker 2:Michael.
Speaker 3:No, Michael was a comedy that he's stuck on earth.
Speaker 1:Remember that movie? What's any? Was in it michael? No, that's no. Michael was a comedy. That was john travolta. Well, I'm sorry, I'm gonna get a face off.
Speaker 3:Yeah, face off oh yeah, nice, nice, but yeah, I mean, like I said, you know it's what it is that you want it to be.
Speaker 3:You know like, uh, not some trying to change up, so, but they've said that, uh, hell, heaven and hell. Isn't what you are, what we believe here, heaven and hell would be, it's what it is that we die with that in our mind. That puts us into heaven or hell. So, whatever we're feeling like for cause, they say, your life flashes before your eyes before you die. You see everything, you see everything and you feel it, so that then, whatever you feel, just before the lights officially go out, is where you're going to end up being. Yeah, yeah, so if you feel like you did something, that you were bad and you have to repent, or whatever the case may be, that's where you're going to turn around and be in your head. That's where your spirit's going to be, because that was the last feeling you had. That's why they say that there's ghosts and that ghosts stay, and they don't go to heaven, because they get stuck.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. Like that though. Well again, it's all what you do, that's unfinished business. Right, all of the above, because now you've done something, so then you have to do something or take care of your unfinished business. What you feel is unfinished business.
Speaker 1:Well, it happens the other way too, where people who are dying prolong themselves from dying until they get all their stuff done.
Speaker 2:They get everything completed, everything done and they know that's freaky.
Speaker 1:And then it's the most amazing thing. Well, I'm going to tell you what I'm leaving a lot of shit incomplete.
Speaker 3:So I'm saying it goes both ways.
Speaker 1:So it's both. Either way it freaks you out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm leaving a lot of shit incomplete. I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1:Oh no, I'm going to would be cool as shit. You know what I mean. If I did have one, at least you know. Don't even worry about me, Just worry about myself and these kids, that's all.
Speaker 3:I want to go back to what you said before about if your guardian angels is your pet. So now do you believe that your pets, that you have here now, your three puppies, that they're your guardian angels? Because some beliefs are that your pets are your guardian angel or they could be your guardian angel.
Speaker 1:No, I don't think that.
Speaker 3:That's where my manifestation is there.
Speaker 1:Be cool as shit, but I don't think so though.
Speaker 3:What do you think your spirit animal will be Animal.
Speaker 1:Your spirit animal will be On the spot, yeah All right, you, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Quick pass Nothing.
Speaker 2:I already know my spirit go ahead. I'm listening to one of those. Uh oh, that's what you did wait, wait, I went here.
Speaker 3:He knows his guy, it's a koala bear koala. Okay, you know that fucking fits. Dude, that fits, I know. Okay, you know it's crazy, right, american eagle, american eagle. Oh, okay, all right, I can see that that works, just fly man. Fly like a eagle.
Speaker 1:Just glide and just soar, man, that's crazy. Come on, bro, that'd be the best I'm with it, bro, I'm there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, nope, I'm with it, I'm with it. So I got koala bear Reincarnation. Now we're over there. Now, there you go, you got a koala bear and that, bro, that fits you like crazy.
Speaker 1:Perfect.
Speaker 2:Perfectly, dude. Yes, that's great man. Yes, yes, kung fu panda, you can lift your sleeves.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yep, kung fu panda, all freaking day dude. Oh my God, that is yeah, that's perfect. Master, yo, that is great. Yeah, are we going by real animals or are we going by mythological? No, I would think. More real, more real, all right.
Speaker 1:So then Some that I may have lost before.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'd probably be a dog. I wouldn't my spirit animal.
Speaker 2:So now, how funny would that be if we had AI make a photo of me as a koala bear and you as a dog and you as an eagle?
Speaker 3:that would be great, that would be so yeah, we have to see what that looks like. You gotta see what that looks like. I think I say the other one that it walks behind you yeah, yeah yeah, it might probably be like a rock wire.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's true, you can have a spirit animal behind us. But that would be funny, as, like, we are spirit animals. You know what I mean. Right, right, right Right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we could be. There was a show or something like that. I've heard it, but that wasn't me, that was Tom. But yeah, man, listen, you know, I just think that me. You know, on the serious tip, that it's really seriously one of those things where it's what you want it to be. You got an angel. You know what I mean. I like it. I mean I think it's cool. It's cool to have to think that you have that extra. The only way I would think there would really be.
Speaker 1:One is so to prevent something from happening, yeah, or you know, guiding you in the right direction you know, yeah, something silly like that that's be, it would be, but why, though? You know how bad would it be kind of thing? I mean, would it just be for that person and their whoever, their family, or does everybody get affected because of this kind of thing, whatever it is?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know, I'm thinking outside the box. Yeah, no, because I mean, you figure, they got to see each other, the guardian angels Like right now we're in here, guardian angels. They were hanging out over there watching us do this, talking shit about us, these freaking guys. They got us here again. I wanted to watch, you know, I wanted to watch something on TV. They got me over here. But yeah, I mean, you know you're right, I think you're right, you know. I don't know, man, it's one of those things where I mean I guess, do I, should I believe in something like that? You know, do I keep that hope that there's something looking out for me like that? You know, you know what.
Speaker 3:If.
Speaker 2:I do believe in a spirit animal, I guess I have to believe in that right.
Speaker 3:Why not Same?
Speaker 1:thing, really Same thing, mm-hmm. You know That's's true, because you probably get better from the from the animal than you with the human.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, you can think about it and, like I was saying too, like you know, you look at the religions and, like I told you know, I grew up a little bit in the santeria. My aunt used to tell me, oh yeah, that I had this, that my guardian angel was this big soup, like a big, muscular person.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's like I have my like, that's my, I guess my presence when I walk into a room Like a big wrestler Right Like, yeah, this is a big like because it's your spirit, right?
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying. Like, that's the idea. So then again, that was you know, I hate to really know what mine was. Well, I mean but again I probably turn out being a giraffe or something like that. No, no, no, no. If it's an animal, you know if it's a person?
Speaker 1:Which is cool I don't mind the giraffe.
Speaker 3:Well then, if it was a person, and who you think you are, like I said mine, I've been told that you know, suggested, felt, whatever that it was like you know, this big muscle thing, like just this big muscle bound guy kind of thing, or just a strong, because of not to sound super conceited, but my presence when I walk into a room, especially when people know me, like I belong, you know what I'm saying, you do. So then now, if you, like I said, would yours be? If it's not an animal, what would the figure look like? I don't know, I don't want like blue eyes.
Speaker 1:Here's my confusion, so check this out. Here's my dilemma. I am adopted right, right, so my guardian angel can be anybody, like you said. So if I get someone that I don't know from my natural family right or origin of or?
Speaker 2:whatever, and you think about that, so now I have that to throw in there too, right.
Speaker 3:And it would be a good person because you would hope. Well, I'm only going to say only because if it's got an angel, of course it would be. You would hope they would be If it was somebody who was from your natural family. Right, right that because of the time you now they want to, you know, just watch you grow and live your life and be where you are, so then they're going to point you in the right direction, right to make up for what they feel is, you know, hey anything, anything is possible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anything is possible. Yeah, just made it positive, though I'm serious because there's so many when you watch things and read about them and I'm not, you know, like the conspiracies right right like, but just but, just how we're starting to figure things out and you're like, wow, this is starting to go right in that direction.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:You know which is cool. At the same time it's super scary. But it's cool because you start to understand things. More you know, and they start to understand and break things down. So you know the whole guardian angel thing. I'm sure you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, I don't know, I just I kind of like the idea. You know, the more we talk about it now, you know, I like the idea of you know having that someone you know looking up, you know for you and putting you in the right direction and stuff.
Speaker 3:You know, what I mean Keeping you from doing something that you may regret later. You stuff. You know what I mean Keeping you from doing something that you may regret later. You know, you know I mean and think about the think about anything that you said. So you had asked before. You know how do you know that they're really looking out? Think of how many decisions that you made that were, or something that you did when you're like right, right.
Speaker 2:No, I'm'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean because you had that. I've done that.
Speaker 2:That voice in the back of your head. Oh yeah, I can recall that that happens, yeah you know what I think? I'm gonna go, I'm gonna turn around and go back yeah, yeah, or like maybe I shouldn't do that, yeah, yeah yeah, right sometimes it happens to me sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like you know, this is when I turn around. I believe, like you know, my guardian angel or my spirit person would be is you know that big crazy?
Speaker 3:you know, like you said, like a rock wire or that, that big muscle bond, because I'm just like, let's go see what's over there real quick. You know that kind of stuff freaking hilarious. And that then now does your would, your guardian angel, as I'm thinking about it because I just said it would that show your power, and you know what I mean like that's, that's your character, that's your personality. So, like I said, panda all day. Is you bro? Like check it out koala. Sorry, koala, check it out, that's what they use. Yeah, check it out, I do have koala.
Speaker 1:Traditional Christian teachings generally describe angel as spiritual beings distinct from animals. However, some people believe God can send protection through animals, even if they aren't literally angels. Spiritual and new angel beliefs. Some believe animals can be spirit, guides and messages offering protection and guidance. A certain need of american and indigenous traditions hold the animal can be guardians or totems that watch over a person. People who experience deep bonds with the pets sometimes feel presence even after they pass away. Yeah, you know that's deep, Because you know we've lost pets and we know what that means.
Speaker 3:Yeah, See, and the funny, the crazy, like so I don't, I can't, I can't mess with animals or pets like that, and then me thinking about mine being a wildlife.
Speaker 1:You did say you felt that way about the cat. When the cat passed away though, yeah, I did say you felt that way about the cat.
Speaker 3:When the cat passed away, though, yeah, it gave me that moment. Yeah, no, no, it happens, bro, it did. Wow, that's cool. Yeah, it's wild. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, listen, everybody needs that something, you know, and I know I say it a lot on the show.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to say this guy, you, you see, we have the music on the whole time. We're sitting here. Yeah, oh, I hope it's the whole time it might.
Speaker 3:You know, I don't think it might not I hope it doesn't pick it up.
Speaker 2:We're not gonna. It's very fake because you get copyright strikes.
Speaker 3:Oh, shit, yeah, no, I don't think you can hear any of them we got.
Speaker 2:We got the good. These are good, yeah, good mics and stuff.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying now we should be fine okay yeah, but um yeah, like you said, your spirit, you know our, our, our presence, our personalities, our strengths, our weaknesses, I believe, are all due to what we believe and feel are could be our. You know our spirit animals, or you know our guardian angels, that extra voice in the back of our head, our conscience. So, whatever the case may be, you know, dude sorry, how did you even hear? Like yo, he hears this I and I have tinnitus yeah I was trying not to sing it, but you know you get.
Speaker 1:You'll get copyrighted. I couldn't help it. I couldn't help it. Man, I'm like, yeah, playing the music, though, yeah.
Speaker 3:That is too funny. But yeah, you know, I don't know. I think that you know it's what you make of it, it's what you bring you know.
Speaker 1:You know everybody has their own path. Man, right is my belief, mine's not right or wrong. Okay, all right. Everybody's is what it is to them. I have no say or any right to claim anything in regards to what you have on your on your right, right, right, right. We all walk a different path, right, you have one. Who am I to say your path is not the right path?
Speaker 3:I don't know what the yeah, and that you believe in what kind of guardian you?
Speaker 1:have Right, but I'm just saying Right, you know.
Speaker 3:That's all I mean. Yeah, no, no, it makes sense, I get you, it makes sense, you know your tongue, you all right there, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like you started singing Did. Did I do something wrong? Now you don't hear the music? Yeah, see.
Speaker 3:That's funny. Yeah, I think that you know we because we all look for that need to have you know to believe in something A higher power man. A higher power, yeah and that's where we are. There was the movie shit, not Narnia, with the animals. People had their spirit, animals Right.
Speaker 1:Little kids Animation or.
Speaker 3:No live action. Nicole Kidman was the villain in the movie and all the kids they had, all people, they all had their spirit animals, yeah yeah, I don't know that one. I can't think of the name of it right now. I wanted to say Narnia, but it's not. Narnia the Compass oh, I think I've seen that Something, Compass. I'm not familiar with that, yeah, it's a good flick. It was all right, you didn't like it.
Speaker 1:It was good. I saw it like once or twice.
Speaker 3:I didn't really get too into it, but it was cool, yeah, and like I said, it's a cool flick, it's really groovy, but because of what we're speaking on now, everybody had a spirit animal when they were born. Later, the animal that that child was going to be was going to represent them, or whatever you want to call it was that, and the animal was there and protected them and everything. And they ended up, um, killing the person, the people because it wasn't just kids, it was people too, I mean adults um, but they, if they caught the spirit animal and they killed it, then the kid would be like lost, like the kid would just be walking, or the person would just be like, just like, almost like, not a zombie, but just like their life would suck, right right, they would just be dragging, they would be devastated. Yeah right, and that's what it was. It was taking a piece of them away, right?
Speaker 1:Listen, when you lose your animals, man, it hurts. Yeah, lose your animals, man, it hurts, yeah, and people don't get it. If you don't own one, you don't understand Trust me. They steal your heart. That's what happens, and it's not a bad thing. That's a good thing.
Speaker 2:And you go back for more every time. They're a member of your family, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think I'm more the American Indian way of thinking. Okay, you know, Buddha, American Indian, that kind of stuff, versus you know, there are some things from Judaism that are cool stories and things like that. But something's happening.
Speaker 2:He's going to turn the music off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Just what is he doing?
Speaker 2:he went up.
Speaker 1:Alexa, stop music. That's all I have to do that's it done yeah, so. That's what we were just talking about. We got interrupted. Kenny had to get up abruptly, real quick Anyway. Anyway yeah, jeez, what the hell were we just talking about? We were talking about the Native Americans, right Native Americans. Yes, I lean more towards that version of thinking because it's more spiritual.
Speaker 2:Right, right, right. I think that's why.
Speaker 1:It's nothing saying that I have to follow. This means you're part of a clique, You're part of a web. You know everybody's connected kind of thing Right exactly. Right, and there's my puppy right there talking to me right now.
Speaker 1:Kenny went upstairs to go use the restroom and the dogs are barking now. Oh, that's good. So, yeah, those are my guardian angels right there. You know, I think anything is possible. You know who's to say that it doesn't happen. We won't really know until, I guess, when we go to the other side. You know it's true, so it's true there.
Speaker 2:It's true. There's no way of knowing. No, well, we will know. That's why. It's all you know, it's all, basically, you know, kind of mythology.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Right Like in the sense you know. It's like you gotta just yeah. It's the only way to know.
Speaker 1:That's right. It's the only way to know that's right. It's the only way to know. They say, they say, if you deep meditate you can get to the same.
Speaker 2:I've heard that too.
Speaker 1:You can get to the same level of that, but it's more. You know that you're at the other place, you're, you're separated, you know. I mean you're just, and they say the holy, you know, know what is to let go. So, like when you're laying in bed and you're listening to something, this is what I do now I just listen for everything instead of just the one thing, because now I'm just letting my senses just do what they're supposed to do so now I'm just and it's just I guess my mind, isn't that called mindful meditation?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's good. It makes me write the fuck out, just be aware of everything.
Speaker 3:Right, be one with nature.
Speaker 2:Be like water.
Speaker 3:Yes, be the cup. Yeah, but that's the I mean. So then that's your moment. You know what I'm saying. That's when you're at your peace. So do you really have a guardian angel, your own, like person?
Speaker 1:No, I think, of course, I give myself a lot of credit because I've come a long way in life in general, right From where I was where I started to where I am now. I think I'm a way better place than I was when I was younger, you know. So I think that has a lot to do with me being smart and trying to do the right thing, the best that I can, making mistakes along the way, like we all do. But you know what the fuck? I think it's more. Maybe somebody's watching. I don't think they intercede so much. You know what I mean, right?
Speaker 2:right right.
Speaker 1:I think they're there. And if you get hurt or something happens, they're there when you die, kind of thing. Right, you think then they would show themselves to you when you were dying. So what do you think? But see, now everybody always says they go to the light, they don't see anybody until they get where they're going, and then they see people, right?
Speaker 3:right. So their life flashed before the eyes and then their uncle shows up, hey. Uncle Bob, how you doing.
Speaker 1:They go wait. Why are you?
Speaker 2:here. Why are you here?
Speaker 3:Who let you in here? Where am I?
Speaker 1:Right, exactly and go, but you.
Speaker 2:Uncle Bob.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly that's funny, and we just mess up people, up my name's Bob Hi and we just mess up people up.
Speaker 1:My name's Bob Hi, Bob my dad's name was Bob.
Speaker 3:No, but then that makes you know, I guess. But then that changes what you had asked earlier, which is Is your guardian angel somebody that you know? Because if you really don't see anybody, I always try to guess if it was, who would it be?
Speaker 1:And everybody that's gone so far. I didn't get a really good hit on any of them, to be honest with you. Okay, but that's what I'm saying. I may be small. Maybe, no, definitely not.
Speaker 3:But because now of what you're saying, we don't see. Supposedly, we don't see our family members until we go to the light and come out on the other side. Your guardian angel wouldn't be somebody that you know, because you're going to see other people. What happens if I die?
Speaker 1:go to heaven or wherever it is, to the light, to the peaceful place you hope, and I see someone that I don't know.
Speaker 3:That's your guide, that's your person.
Speaker 1:It could be from my family Ancestry.
Speaker 3:But why would they first time?
Speaker 2:why would they want to see us?
Speaker 3:well, because.
Speaker 2:I mean think about it curious, like, oh, we got a new family member or they're proud of what you are, what you've become, who you are. Welcome, you know I mean pick whatever good thing, dad great, great, great great grandson yeah, I know I'm a really good guy.
Speaker 3:But that would be wild, that, yeah, because I forgot. You know I didn't think about that. Knowing relatives, natural right relatives, that would come and see, I think of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the kind of mind I have. I talk to my wife and tell her these things. She's like you are absolutely nuts, yeah definitely, because I'm like well, think about it.
Speaker 2:You know well, have you.
Speaker 1:That's why you ever solve a show in front of your wife when you're sitting with her? Yeah, or you tell her watch, this is what's gonna happen, abc boom, you do it, and then she's like, how the fuck did you?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah how did you know?
Speaker 1:that I'm gifted. Guardian agent told me man.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes but no, but that's why I, that's why I did the other reason I did the ancestry instead of 23 and me because, right, because that one they had the um, you can do the genealogy, right, you? If you pay for that, then you, all you got to do is have your, the year you were born and where you were born, and then the same thing with your parents, the, their birth date and where they were. I wouldn't know that thing with your parents, the, their birth date and where they were.
Speaker 2:I will not, I wouldn't even have that, so you can track them and then all of a sudden, you through, like all census records you track people and you just keep going backwards I won't have that information it got crazy when I went to my father's side because he had ancestors that came here all the way from the 1600s like, like like dutch settlers all the way back, yeah, and, and they tracked through churches and then their ancestors were tracked in europe.
Speaker 2:And I'm tracking in europe, I'm going, I went all the way to, like the 1400s that's wild.
Speaker 1:Or 1500, well, I can say it was insane prophets go back pretty far too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, for sure it's kind of cool, though You're like oh this person's my family member?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've never done it. My cousin did it. He did it for my father's side.
Speaker 1:I come from. You know, you guys, when you talk about certain things you just take for granted those things Dutch names, you know. I don't remember Dutch names.
Speaker 3:That's funny Crazy. But yeah so you never know, it could be somebody like that, and that Dutch is like not even one or two percent of me, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:That's all I was able to follow, because they had better genealogical.
Speaker 1:Dutch is what you had. Dutch was a big one for you.
Speaker 2:It's like barely like two percent, but that's where I was able to track, because they had the better records, I guess at that time.
Speaker 1:Oh, I got you. They kept better records at the time, right yeah, versus what you got with the other ones, like if it was Italian or Spanish or any of them. Italian, I was huge. I was up there 59% or something like that, yeah it's ridiculous and from Sicily.
Speaker 3:So we went way off of from.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, from England, but I'm talking about what I found out were mine, but I couldn't find anything out. I'm sorry we did jump off, but the point I was trying to make is that I didn't find out anything you may have been able to find.
Speaker 2:Well, we jumped off because we were talking about ancestors. Your ancestors on the other side could be Right.
Speaker 1:They could be.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:You could bump into them for sure and not even know it. But then know afterwards You'd be like oh man, that was such a spade. Oh my God.
Speaker 3:Hey, wait a minute.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I told you, but that's the other thing too, is that's another belief is that your ancestors are your, and angels too. You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean you would hope and think so and that's the case. Yeah, yeah, that'd be crazy, yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean now, when you think about somebody who has passed right, you know you think about them more often than others that have passed. Could those be that your family as a whole? They're all like they're taking turns, like it's your shift. It's your shift when you think about them, you mean, yeah. So, like you know, I think about my grandparents a lot. You know uncles and stuff like that. You know now my nephew and you know good girlfriend, friend of ours, that from a while back. You know I see them every so often. I think about them, the fuck was that.
Speaker 3:Your puppies. Somebody came in and did it, that motherfucker was on the table, oh he got scared. Did you hear how hard that was?
Speaker 1:bro, it was like somebody body slammed somebody off the floor.
Speaker 2:Sorry everyone.
Speaker 1:We're doing a podcast and we're loving every minute of it. And then somehow we had a huge noise from the ceiling the doggies.
Speaker 3:Unfortunately I should have the tinnies, but you know that those people would be then that. Then it could be that it's your whole family. I'm gonna tell you what, though, real quick, tom, because we got only a few minutes left. If you don't believe in all that stuff like that, you know, basically atheists, right right. What made you dig up, look up, find out what your spirit animal was, because that's part of you know I don't see so much religious or spiritual's more spiritual.
Speaker 2:Right, it's spiritual.
Speaker 3:But if you're atheist, I'm just asking now but I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, but you're not an atheist. You're not technically an atheist.
Speaker 2:No, I've kind of shifted away from that, but definitely not in any sort of religious belief. So you know I believe more metaphysical stuff.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, got you Right. So you know like I believe more like metaphysical stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh right, right, right, gotcha Kind of like we're in the I don't want to say like a matrix type thing. No, I get you Like that, like maybe where we are is like a simulation, but not in the sense of like being imprisoned, like we're here voluntarily.
Speaker 1:Right, you know what I mean. And then when we you know kind of, and it goes right into freaking Matrix.
Speaker 2:It's not really simulation theory, though it's hard to explain.
Speaker 1:It's not really like we're really here, but we're also you think we already happened, but like we're also not here.
Speaker 3:We're just an aftershock. Or we're like just a colony here.
Speaker 2:You know what saying? Like with the little guys in this solar system, like, like I think I've mentioned on the show before, like I believe that like afterlife is also before life right. Like to say that like like you know what I mean. Like, like we came from somewhere and then we're here for a little bit of time and then we go back right, some people call it yeah, and when we came here, we obviously were super young, because we don't remember anything.
Speaker 3:But they see there's some people that do remember their previous life, but then now or being in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. A place of, but it kind of leads into a little bit of simulation theory too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:That makes sense. I get it so many different things.
Speaker 1:It definitely falls under the genre, and of course aliens are involved in that too.
Speaker 3:Again, there's so many different things, so many different people, ways, thoughts feelings, religion.
Speaker 1:I'm interested in it because you see a lot of it with the numbers. Remember 851? Thankfully, I still see that number. Yeah, all the time, that was my phone number uh mine too, yeah um and uh.
Speaker 1:I'm like you know, is there something to that? You know what I mean. So I think more spiritual, more connection to the to it right versus versus giving your self to something. You know what I mean just where you're comfortable, and to each his own, of course. I mean whatever works for you, but for me that's what I like, you know. So I think Sphero's Wings is a cool thing to think about. I don't count on them. I think some people do.
Speaker 3:Right, you know a little more extreme yeah, I'm sure um maybe not, you know.
Speaker 1:Well, it's interesting subject, though I thought it would be cool just to talk about it, because it went in all the uh directions.
Speaker 3:We hoped it would yeah, yeah, yeah, because we go everywhere we have a go all over.
Speaker 2:We're geniuses, adhd and all right, very quickly, we're geniuses. We're geniuses in our own mind.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, exactly, but, yeah, but yeah, if you have one, great I guess, like you said, we'll find it in the end. Yeah, you're like yo I told you to duck.
Speaker 3:We'll find that in the end. Yeah, it's going to be that one dude that's standing out there. Watch that last step.
Speaker 1:And one. It's a doozy. I told you not to get in there.
Speaker 3:I told you to duck. I said jump. Yeah, that's funny. I wonder if that would be too. We'll end it on that funny If your guardian angel, if you have a guardian angel or your spirit animal or whatever, if, when you pass?
Speaker 3:they're there and they stand up and they're yelling at you because they were like I told you to duck. You know what I mean, like seriously, like I told you to duck. You know I mean like seriously when they tell you like you shouldn't have done this. You know, give you that one thing that they're holding on to, and because you didn't do that, you didn't get that right. You know what I mean. Okay, that was still funny. Oh, okay. So with that, my peoples, thank you all for listening. Hope this one, this one, was a little bit out there. It wasn't our regular kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:It was good conversation. I was digging it, enjoyed it yeah.
Speaker 3:So thank you everybody for listening, thank you for joining us, catch us everywhere YouTube and all that other stuff and love, peace and hair grease. Live long and prosper.
Speaker 2:And go vegan.
Speaker 3:Holla and prosper and go vegan holla.
