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May The Fourth Be With You
For true Star Wars fans, the lore runs deeper than what most casual moviegoers see on screen. Celebrating May the 4th, we take a passionate deep dive into the mythology that has captivated generations, with special focus on Revenge of the Sith as it marks its 20th anniversary.
The conversation kicks off with our recent theater experience watching Episode III in immersive D-Box seats, where the opening battle sequence over Coruscant literally moves you through the action. We explore why this film stands as the emotional cornerstone of the prequel trilogy, delivering the pivotal transformation from Anakin to Vader that the previous two films had been building toward.
From there, we venture into the fascinating minutiae that make Star Wars unique. Did you know that Sith must kill a Jedi, take their lightsaber crystal, and "bleed" it with hatred to create their signature red blades? Or that Obi-Wan mastered Form II (Soresu) lightsaber combat, giving him defensive capabilities that proved crucial against Anakin on Mustafar's high ground?
The discussion explores lingering questions about Order 66 and how many Jedi truly survived, the enigmatic Mortis gods who embody different aspects of the Force, and whether Anakin's redemption truly balances out his atrocities as Vader. We speculate about unproduced Vader series concepts, how Dave Filoni has masterfully expanded canon, and the exciting possibilities for expanding the mythology in upcoming Star Wars media.
Whether you're a casual fan or someone who can name every lightsaber form, this episode celebrates what makes Star Wars endure: its deep mythology, complex characters, and the eternal struggle between light and dark. Join us as we geek out about a galaxy far, far away, and share your own Star Wars theories and favorite moments with us!
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welcome to Cotman Crawford and the Jersey Guy podcast what's up, guys?
Speaker 2:we just did this for about 10 minutes and realized my fucking stupid ass didn't hit the record button. So we're starting over.
Speaker 1:We're talking about Star Wars because today we're recording the. We're talking about Star Wars because today we're recording the podcast episode drops Wednesday. So this past Sunday was Star Wars Day, so we're going to do a Star Wars episode May 4th. May the 4th. Be with you, yeah, yeah. So you know, this past weekend, uh, I went with chase. We went to go see, uh, revenge of the sith. Uh, it was really really good. We saw it in the cinemark theaters. They have, uh, what's those d-box seats?
Speaker 1:and you remember the d-box seats, um, the what I was talking about before I've been on the simulators in certain parks like a simulator ride, but they have it for movies now and that is so fucking awesome because I that's something I always loved as a kid and I was always like, imagine if they did this with movies and now they're doing it. I mean it is you do pay a premium seat because the seats and they're all and of course they're in like the best area too, they're like middle section, they probably tested it and checked it out where it felt best to do it right, it costs like $25 a seat, but you don't see every movie in it you see movies that are worth seeing, and Revenge of the Sith.
Speaker 2:Wasn't there an anniversary that just came up with them? Was that recent An anniversary with Star Wars, yeah that's now 20 years.
Speaker 1:Revenge of the Sith.
Speaker 2:Oh nice.
Speaker 1:How crazy, that is. Crazy man. That is 20 years old. Wow, I remember when that was out, wow, wow, it seems like yesterday and that's my favorite movie, but that's my favorite of the Star Wars movie. But first I want to get into how awesome it was with those D-Box seats, because the first scene is when they're flying over Coruscant. Right, they, it's, they're just like every time you move and it crashes into general grievous's ship and it's like you know he goes nice. What does he say?
Speaker 2:he goes another perfect landing, or something like that right and you feel all of that when you're doing that right it's, it's cool, it's cool that's awesome. Yeah, no, that's great man, and that story alone, like what we were saying earlier, is one of the best movies. It is. That one is a really good one. You were saying.
Speaker 1:It's my favorite.
Speaker 2:And your favorite for the reason it is your favorite. You were explaining before.
Speaker 1:Please explain again so the reason it's my favorite Star Wars movie is because it's got the best story it really does. It's such a good story that they had to have two prequels for it, because episode one and two, if you think about it, are actual, like they're preludes to the third one. The third one is the important one. The first one is all world building, because you need to. You have to start the story, you have to create all these characters. You got to world build the shit out of it right. Then episode two is where you're starting to get the plot of the clone wars. They got understand what's happening here. They start and that's like the start of the clone wars, why they got the clone wars going, and the clone wars are the reason for emperor palpatine or a senator palpatine at the time he gets Anakin's older by this time To take over power for Chancellor, saying that the current Chancellor doesn't know what he's doing.
Speaker 1:They're going to take over Chancellor and then, with the Clone Wars, he gets emergency power and never leaves office because, oh well, the Clone Wars, we can't, I can't leave power now. I got to stay here, and organize this. And he's doing all you know him, and what's his name? Oh my God, why am I having to tip my tongue, darth Tyrannus?
Speaker 2:Okay, darth Tyrannus. Yeah, but I never know that. What's his name. That's okay. I couldn't even help you if I want to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But anyway they get they. You know they start the whole Clone Wars and then that's, and then Because Anakin you see the fall of Anakin.
Speaker 2:He's older by this time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah yeah, he's older. You see the fall and he's still the Padawan. He's got the ponytail Right. Padawans have the ponytail you know, the. What did I say about Anakin? His downfall, yeah, his downfall. You get to see the scene when you know his mom gets killed by the Tusken Raiders and he takes out the entire like clan of Tusken Raiders. But he also kills the. He goes. I killed the women and children too.
Speaker 2:And that's when you know. That's his first taste of the movie, and who? Was he telling that to? When he said that Padme oh, remember.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right, and she forgave him for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the only plot hole, I think, because she's like oh like she's like, because I guess of who the people was, that humanitarian type person like she's like all for like, good and like right, but in this case she was okay yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 1:You just killed a bunch of women and children.
Speaker 2:I'll stay with you. I'll marry you.
Speaker 3:Nobody's going to miss those people, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:Fuck them sand people. For me, that's basically that's exactly. They're just sand people. Who cares? That's what they are. They're fucking racist. No, I didn't.
Speaker 2:For me it was just. That was just great choreography, the way they did that and it was just a battle.
Speaker 1:It was awesome and that's the thing I'll recap again because I talked about that. Uh, our first recording, right? He says, like he says it's over, anakin, I have the higher ground. And the reason why Anakin does that, that move where he wants to flip over, is because he is being super cocky. He wants to use Obi-Wan's move that he used to kill Darth Maul in Episode I. When he does that flip and then kills Darth Maul, that way, he's trying to do the same thing to Obi-Wan, the person he saw do it, or heard the same thing to obi-wan, the person he saw do it, or heard the story of him doing, because he wasn't there, I don't um, and because he was still a kid then right, um, so he does that move.
Speaker 1:But the problem is he said it's over, anakin, I have the higher ground, so you have, you know. You know obi-wan's up here, he's below him, and Anakin's down here. He's got the higher ground, so he does that jump, but he loses. Most of his jump is in front of Obi-Wan and then by the time he's over Obi-Wan. He just doesn't have. He's as high of a jump and Obi-Wan slices off his arms and legs. Right, that's crazy. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:And then he catches on fire, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and he loses his mind. Yep, yeah, that was a good scene.
Speaker 1:You were a brother, Anakin. I loved you. I hate you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was crazy. But here's the thing about Crazy Thing at Basava. I don't want to jump ahead, but yeah. Like when the whole story right, and how George Lucas explains the whole story right and how, um, george lucas lucas explains it in the sense where you know it's about, you know skywalker coming and saving, remember they, I guess because the kid was so high on the chart for being you know with the force.
Speaker 2:Um m count right for the force count yeah and he was the one to put balance into it. But, and long story short, he winds up doing that anyway. But he does it as Darth Vader, he doesn't do it as Anakin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So here's the thing, but still does that give him a pass on all the shit that he did.
Speaker 1:As far as the people and everybody he took out, I don't know if it does because he's in living force again, and I have a theory behind this. So I want to discuss this. Okay, because I've had this theory for a while and I think it's well explained if you watch the Ahsoka series. So he does fulfill the prophecy of restoring balance to the force, but balance didn't mean uh, destroying the sith balance, you know, or or or meant, you know, uh actually being he's like the first after death, he's like the first gray jedi. Okay, and I know that's the thing is is that he is balanced. Now he is equal darth vader and he is equal Anakin Skywalker, and they show that in if you watch the uh.
Speaker 1:So, guys, you see the change when she's in, she's in the world between worlds, which they they never show a live action. It's the first time they showed the world between worlds and live action. They showed it in rebels, Um, and I I don't know if they showed it in the Clone Wars. It was definitely in Rebels though, Okay, and you know, it's kind of like the world. So you know, I guess people can visit each other in the afterlife, or it is the afterlife, I'm that almost sure.
Speaker 2:Isn't that the same thing that when Obi-Wan told? I mean, when Yoda told Obi-Wan that he was going to teach him how to communicate to his master? Yeah, qui-gon, um that he was going to teach him how to, yeah, communicate to his, uh, his, master. Yeah, qui-gon, qui-gon, thank you. Yes, uh, so wouldn't that be the same?
Speaker 1:thing because they're in that well, they can appear as force ghosts, but she's actually in the world between right, okay, um, so she. You know, he switches back and forth from anakin to darth vader. Sometimes it's just he's, uh, he's. I call anakin vader when he's not in the suit, right, you know what I mean. He's got the yellow eyes. And then there's another scene. You see him when he's walking away like flashes. You see Vader holding him.
Speaker 2:Right, you see the red and then you see his face, the mask, yeah. So they did that really well. They did that really well.
Speaker 1:So he's like balanced, he's you, they did that really well. So he's like balanced, he's you know, he's, he's um, he, you know he's, does both he's. He's darkness, uh, imbued by light, and light tempered by darkness. He's like equal, you know what I mean. So that's his, his what you know, he found his happy medium and he brought balance to the force right, you know he still did it, but it wasn't in the way that everybody thought it was gonna be right.
Speaker 2:Like you know, he's gonna bring balance. But how is he gonna bring balance? Nobody really took that. I think Yoda knew that, cause he felt like something didn't feel right to him from the beginning.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, he was not having it and Mace Windu didn't trust him. Yet he's the one. But we do not grant you a master.
Speaker 2:Wow, hey, they felt something man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:Did they do that on purpose as far as not granting, because they felt like something wasn't?
Speaker 1:right? Well, he was so young yet, and they never made someone so young, Right he was so young.
Speaker 2:So how old does someone have to be when they're-?
Speaker 1:To be on the council? I don't know.
Speaker 2:No, no, not on the council, but to be a master.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, probably that too, but he was like very powerful fast track.
Speaker 2:But you know he was very cocky and very you know Right, but they knew that's, you know it's cool, blah, blah. Well, what about the story about? Um? Oh, what's the character in in the same movie where he gets his hand cut off? He's fighting?
Speaker 1:uh, palpatine oh uh, that's episode two, right, no three when he falls out the window, isn't that?
Speaker 2:oh, you're talking about window. Yeah, yeah, that's you're talking about window.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was fighting palpatine. Yeah, yeah, sorry, I got confused. Yeah, that's, that's episode three.
Speaker 2:Right, that's so what happens to him is there? Is there ever going to be a story about that at all?
Speaker 1:at some point left to open-ended because because you don't know if he's dead or alive jedi, can you know they can slow down their falls and just because he got his hand cut off doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 2:It was his hand, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they show him in the Clone Wars doing some crazy jump too, mace Windu.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like off a freaking cliff. They used the force to slow them down and he could have landed on a moving car or something like that. They left it open-ended. They should do a story on them. You know a moving, you know car, or something like that.
Speaker 2:So they left it open-ended. Okay, they should do a story on them. They should do it and see what does he become, what does he wind?
Speaker 1:up doing. It's great too now, because you know Samuel L Jackson's a lot older now, so they can have it years later and someone who plays him younger. No, no, no, they can have it like maybe he makes an appearance in like the mandalorian series, you know something like that and he's older, because that would be he'd be aged perfectly.
Speaker 2:oh, you think so yeah, yeah, okay okay, yeah, it's like 20 years later yeah, yeah, okay, that's right exactly, you do the math too I um, you know I'm such a nerd.
Speaker 1:I use chat and I write, I write.
Speaker 2:You're in good company, my friend.
Speaker 1:I write alternate stories or sometimes I write I'm like I talk to Epitaph like they need to do a Vader series and we actually wrote like a, like a four season.
Speaker 2:Isn't there a Vader series coming out?
Speaker 1:I never heard of it.
Speaker 2:I thought I saw something on yeah yeah. I thought I saw something on yeah yeah, because there's a lot of fan-made stuff. They do a lot of fan-made stuff, ben, I was like, imagine, if they come out with Avengers, it's got to be from the official Disney or Star Wars. That would be a good series. Would you watch that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, of course you would right. Yeah, like I said, I wrote a whole.
Speaker 2:You're out of your mind, I'm out of my mind. What do you get this time where you're actually?
Speaker 1:writing four seasons. You know, sometimes are you dictating this to somebody or to chat gpt is that?
Speaker 3:yeah, I just tell them what I want.
Speaker 1:Chat gpt to like outline that's awesome to this. So, like the first episode I take from the comic book where, like the sith, you know the part of the sith lore and they added that, uh, that was like it wasn't from the original trilogy. They really don't explain it much, but they, you know, in order to get a red lightsaber you have to, as a Sith, kill a Jedi. Without having a lightsaber, you can't have a lightsaber. Oh, so you have to do it.
Speaker 2:It's almost like proving yourself to them yeah they actually? I think they portray that was it like an initiation or something they portray that?
Speaker 1:in the series that didn't do well. The um Acolyte okay, they actually portray that in the Acolyte you're supposed to kill a uh Jedi without a lightsaber, right okay take their lightsaber, bleed the crystal and now you have a red lightsaber wow, that's fucked up. And to bleed the crystal you're supposed to like pour all your hate and anger into it and it cracks and turns red what is?
Speaker 2:what about the opposite way, when a Jedi kills a Sith for the first time, is there anything?
Speaker 1:no, let's just say they don't have any, yeah, but but the Sith have like this whole lore, like that's what kind of makes it badass, like you go kill a Jedi, take their crystal and bleed, then how did Vader get his wrench saber? You don't see that, but in the comic book that's what happens.
Speaker 1:He kills somebody Palpatine sends him to go kill, he's got to kill a Jedi and bleed the crystal, right? So if I were to write this, so when I like did this whole thing, I wrote, like a whole thing on it, I, I wrote on it um, it's door open for oh anyway no, you can't.
Speaker 2:You keep talking, I'm so no, no, um.
Speaker 1:So you know in the comic book he does that. You get to see him do that. So like I did that if they, that'd be so awesome if they showed that. Like in the very first episode, first episode, like at the end of the episode I have it where he bleeds the crystal and he just the lightsaber turns on and glows his whole face and then it cuts to the end. How awesome would that be for a pilot episode at the end, you know he does this whole thing where he just fights a Jedi, kills a Jedi, bleeds the crystal and then does that. So but yeah, and like it would be so awesome if they did that. Like the first series.
Speaker 1:You know there's about 17 years in between episode three and four or something like that. Really, 17 or 19 years, that's a lot of story writing for Vader. You do like two seasons on that, right, and then another two seasons that take place in between episode four and six and you can see some more behind the scenes stuff. You can see when he finds out that the person who killed the because what happens is in the story, I think Boba Fett he sends out, he sends out Boba Fett to find out like who blew up the Death Star, who's the rebel that blew up the Death Star, that made that kill shot? Right, and boba fett reports back to him I was named skywalker. And then, like you know, that's gonna set him off. And then he realizes, like I have a son, he's alive. And that's when his, when anakin, starts to come back to him.
Speaker 1:Right, but just a little bit shining through and he, you know that's why he doesn't kill his son. He's trying to turn to the dark side, because he wants to be with his son. He wants to be with his blood. You know what I mean? Right, and that's that's how the whole redemption arc happens.
Speaker 2:And you know he ends up saving him, you know that's crazy, just amazing, that you know all this shit, man, and you're right episodes, I mean, it's like what's going on, and before recording.
Speaker 1:I was talking about the yeah lightsaber form. How right um obi-wan uses uh form two serasu, which is a defensive form of lightsaber.
Speaker 2:Wow so how many, how many? Um, let me ask you how many lightsaber forms are there? I believe there's six, I don't know them all.
Speaker 1:Right, I just know that, and I bet you there's probably cod. I don't know them all, I just know that.
Speaker 2:And I bet you there's probably katas for each one of those forms. In other words, if there's a certain style they all have like.
Speaker 1:They have a bunch of different katas. They all sound like Japanese too. Right, All the you know which makes sense.
Speaker 2:Well, most martial arts just have katas depending on what and I believe it's.
Speaker 1:I believe Anakin uses form five.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Probably look it up. If you look at lightsaber forms, you'll find them all. Really, yeah, google lightsaber forms, wow, they'll come up. Um, but the there was a special lightsaber form that Mace Windu used. It was called Vapad and it was a alt. He engineered it. He back engineered that lightsaber form because it was a sith lightsaber form. Okay, engineered it to be used as jedi, but you can use it against the sith and it works especially well against the silk. Wow, which explains why you know darcidius or palpatine whatever you want to call him killed, killed three Jedi in a matter. Killed two Jedi immediately and then the other one a couple seconds later, and then he couldn't get Mace Windu until you know, anakin came in and screwed everything up. But are you looking up now the?
Speaker 2:forms.
Speaker 1:I think he uses form five. I can't think of the name off the top of my head, there's a whole bunch of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's see. So there isn't a definite number for the exact quantity of lightsaber styles, but generally light.
Speaker 1:It's on Wikipedia.
Speaker 2:Right, you probably have to look it up on that.
Speaker 1:If you just Google lightsaber forms, just type in lightsaber forums wookiee, just wookieepedia.
Speaker 1:Just type in lightsaber forums wookiee and then you'll see wookieepedia come up on the media but yeah, they're all on there, but um, but yeah, so that's why, um, he was able to. Um, right, you remember when, um, you know that's how, uh, palpatine's face starts to melt? Is because mace windu is holding the lightsaber up against and it's reflecting the lightning back onto him. Now that he that's a special lightsaber form, he was able to, like, channel his energy into the lightsaber right, push the um, the uh, lightning reflected back onto him. That's why it started melting his face started melting.
Speaker 2:His face started melting, it was weird.
Speaker 1:He started looking like His teeth started like turning yellow.
Speaker 2:But wasn't it? I always thought that that was his actual, real form and he was hiding beneath that.
Speaker 1:You know what? I don't know what they consider canon to it. But if it's melted or that was his reform right, the thing is and that's the other thing too is about the sith is the um, the uh. Supposedly, if you really are deep into the dark side, it starts like deforming you really. Yeah, yeah, yeah so it could be that's crazy Like the older Sith, darth Malgus.
Speaker 1:he's in one of the games. That's how I know him. He kind of looks like if you see him from far away. He kind of looks like if Vader didn't have a mask on Right. He's bald and has like a couple scars on his face and he's got like a ventilator.
Speaker 2:I don't know why he's got a ventilator but over his mouth like like um, but he's like really big but it's like wait, but he has but his eyes are all black oh wow.
Speaker 3:Just like.
Speaker 1:Vader's was and when they take, when he takes off his mask and in episode six his eyes are all black and stuff like that Supp, supposedly that has something to do with this Like the Sith kind of like starts, like degrading your like body, the dark, wow, yeah. So what are you looking up?
Speaker 2:No, what I'm doing right now is I'm inviting somebody to come down who's a big star, wasn't that just like? Oh, okay, so we're going to get them in the seat here with us and uh and have a little chat with him as well and have a little chat with him as well. I'd be interested to have him down, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Well, when he comes on, just hit.
Speaker 2:No, it's right here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, one.
Speaker 2:Number one. We'll just turn him on. So no, it's crazy. You know that you know all this stuff. I mean I think I know all that stuff when I'm and I know a lot, but I don't know as deep as you are. I mean, you were in there, I went to their territory and Justin is the same. He's pretty much the same way with that, with the Star Wars stuff. He's really good at it. So I'm trying to get him to come down here with us.
Speaker 2:But anyway, continue on your conversation when he gets here. We're not going to wait for him, we're going to keep recording.
Speaker 1:We'll keep recording. Hold on.
Speaker 2:Why Don't pause it? What's the matter? Why, why?
Speaker 1:Next time on life we're batting tonight. Oh, come on, really. Yeah, yeah, but it's all right. Okay, we're splitting it into two parts, wow.
Speaker 2:That's all recorded, so we're parts. But wow, I mean, that's all recorded, like so we're having technical difficulties, as you can tell. I forget to record. He forgot to hit the certain button on the phone to record the video, so you know, shit happens. What are you gonna do? It's just one of those nights we're doing this podcast, so if you're sitting listening, to this, kenny, you're not here.
Speaker 2:You're supposed to hold it together, just laugh just laugh your ass off and enjoy it, that's all. So, um, no, it's crazy that you know, you know all this stuff. Um, like, I feel that way about you know, when it comes to star trek, and even me knowing what I know about star trek, I found that that I don't know so much. I tried to do a trivia thing and I was like not as didn't know as deep as, like beyond or behind the stories that you normally know, there was something else going on and you didn't. You know that led to that you know, like, okay, I guess I don't know as much as I thought I did, but it's amazing how much you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and, like I said, I, I, I well, I follow all the Star Wars channels and they talk about it. They talk about the books. So I know stuff about the books and they talk about it. They talk about the books. So I know stuff about the books. And that's the cool thing about the books, too, is there's certain books that add more depth to the Star Wars lore. Like there's a cool book I want to get. It's called Vader Family at War or something like that, or Skywalker Family at War, it's called, and they go into more depth of the storyline, like in Return of the Jedi. Okay, they actually go more into depth of what Vader was thinking.
Speaker 2:Or what was going on with him. When he kills Palpatine and stuff, right that you know it's, it's it's, it's good stuff right, like he was just standing there watching and then he just picked them up. That's actually where they my thing is how does he, how does this guy survive, palpatine?
Speaker 1:what do you mean?
Speaker 2:because you know, yeah, yeah, well, technically he does in the other star war movies that come later on. Oh, you're talking about luke come later on.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're talking about luke, you know, I thought you meant you're talking about vader no, I'm talking about palpatine.
Speaker 2:Oh, how does he, when he kills him, throws him down.
Speaker 1:Well, that's the thing they had to you know.
Speaker 2:So how does this guy?
Speaker 1:that's the thing that like that's see the we can talk about the sequel trilogy. Yeah is the storylines kind of. But you know, the good thing is you got dave filoni. Dave filoni, he, he wrote the clone wars.
Speaker 1:Okay, or directed so these are the guys who wrote these movies or I don't know if he wrote it, I know he produced it. The clone wars uh, he also did the mandalorian right soca rebels um, he's really good. So he what he did, is he? If you watch like the Mandalorian, they start tying that in together. They start just like they're like band-aiding it you know the whole. Somehow Palpatine has survived you know, that line that drives everybody crazy.
Speaker 1:I think that's the whole thing with them. Remember they were grogu like they wanted his because he had the high mandalorian count, or m count as they call it. He had a metachlorian count, you know um. So they needed his blood because they were doing the cloning. So supposedly they clone um the palpatine and somehow his soul goes back into the. Somehow they use some Sith alchemy to get his soul to go back into his own clone, because if I cloned you you wouldn't have your memories like you have now Right right, it would just be a walking zombie, yeah.
Speaker 1:No, you'd just be a. It would look like you, but it wouldn't be you, because you'd have your memories.
Speaker 2:Everything. Yeah, it would have its own, yeah, have its own memories.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right. So you'd have a different accent too If I cloned you and put you in Arkansas, you'd be Right on please.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Got a straw hat. You know it's crazy. That's a stereotype, though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, but no, yeah, so, like they kind of tried band-aiding that all together, right, but uh, yeah, I can't wait until, um, they, uh, they do uh that, that Mandalorian movie. So it's going to be good, it's cause I think it's going to tie in all, it's going to tie in the three series, I think, yeah, the, uh, the. The whole thing was, is, is that they're going to the Thrawn. I think they're going to tie in the Mandalorian, boba Fett and the Ahsoka series all in one With the first episode we're doing. Turn his mic up and swing it around. Swing that around to you. There you go, look at that, just bring it a little closer to you Right there.
Speaker 2:You're good about here.
Speaker 1:So everyone, this is Justin Hello.
Speaker 2:He's also going to be doing our next podcast with us, actually, um, so he's doing one and a half with us right now. Okay, okay, you're helping us out with this one. Uh, we're doing like. Tom is talking about everything from the series, from everything from uh. He started from the beginning and did it chronologically. Is that what you said, tom? You were doing it. He did it andologically. Is that what you said, tom? You were doing it? He did it, and he watched all this the Star Wars series, all the Star Wars series. Yeah, yeah, in that order. Yeah, yeah, that's a killer.
Speaker 1:to go through Clone Wars takes forever. To get through Clone Wars does take forever.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Because you have the whole series to get through. Yeah, yeah yeah. And about how um we were talking about, are they going to come out with a veda series where it's just about veda and I think, I think, I think kate and christian said would be up for it? I think that would be really fun. Um, I know that there is a whole series of comics that they could go through. Right, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like absolutely crush a series, oh absolutely I know the materials, therefore the comic material alone I don't know if it's the first comic book, but the the one where he gets, where he has to bleed the crystal, he has to kill a jedi in order to get, because he was explaining how that works.
Speaker 2:You know what he's talking about. Yeah, where he gets you gotta kill their.
Speaker 1:Do you have to kill them with their lightsaber, just kill them with their own life. I believe you just have to take a life yeah, and then their own saber yeah and then you get the lightsaber and then you just bleed the crystals. What you say wow, and that makes it red yeah, to pour your hate and anger, and then it cracks and there's like a they do kind of go into the the force with.
Speaker 3:Like the force does make a kyber crystal red, okay, and it it requires a direct action of the dark side. Yeah, interfering with the light side?
Speaker 1:aka right, someone killing a jedi yeah, yeah, typically is the most direct route to that exactly um, and so that makes your kyber crystals red.
Speaker 3:But yeah, there's. There's so many great comic series. Aaron would have plenty to tell you about.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm sure.
Speaker 3:She loves the.
Speaker 2:Vader comics. So she's a Star Wars freak like you as well. I mean for the most part, yeah, or is she more than you?
Speaker 3:No, no, no, I'd say it's about the same. I had to introduce her to the Clone Wars series Okay, the last little bits of it. I didn't make her sit through absolutely everything. Because I didn't make her sit through absolutely everything because there's plenty there that just doesn't need to be, but I did. I got her through the whole Clone Wars series for the most part and, most importantly, the final season of the Clone Wars series, which was incredibly good.
Speaker 1:Do you know what I did to watch the final season? The last four episodes take place during Revenge of the Sith. Oh, did you split it up in between?
Speaker 3:them? Yeah, take place during Revenge of the Sith. Oh, did you split it up? Yeah, in between them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm such a fucking nerd At the end of the one episode when Ahsoka parts with Obi-Wan, right and Anakin. That's where the movie starts, because they say, oh, coruscant's under attack and we gotta go Right. So then you start the movie and it's right there, okay. But then you start the movie and it's right there. So it's weird, though, because like, oh my God, I'm seeing them in live action. You've watched an entire series of them, especially if you binged it like I did, right them in animated, so that's kind of cool, but then you got to find when to switch it back to the other.
Speaker 3:There's a pausing point in the third movie.
Speaker 1:You guys are crazy.
Speaker 3:I wait until he's till palpatine's, like uh, uh, you know have I ever told you the tragedy of darth plague is the wise and then I go to the next one yep, yeah, there's a there and there's.
Speaker 3:There's like standout scenes in that final season that let you because it's so tightly knit did you do that as well? I didn't do it that way, no, but there are. It are, it's very clear. In the seventh season of Clone Wars there are these standout scenes that like let you know exactly what's going on. In episode three there's a moment where Ahsoka's on the ship. It's giving you a nice clue and she, like, feels the disturbance. And it's the exact same moment that Order 66 happens. So it's like you're getting the exact play-by-play.
Speaker 1:And that's a. You get to see how long, like the whole series, like they were the most trusted and all of a sudden they flipped because they had that, and but they also show how some of them, one of them or two of them, had got that out of them, or I think it was Rex. What was the? What was the? Um? Bad Batch Was it? Is it Bad Batch?
Speaker 2:Yeah, bad Batch. Yeah, is it Bad Batch? Yeah, bad Batch. I watched that whole thing. That was awesome. I liked that. It was a little slow in the beginning when you started off, but then I liked the whole story. It was good. How many seasons was with that? Again, I think there's three seasons of Bad Batch.
Speaker 3:I did all of them. I watched them all. There was three seasons right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it was three way too in some sense, aren't they?
Speaker 3:in a sense, they kind of cover that very strange gap between the prequels and the originals. Yeah, yeah, uh, they cover that weird space where there's not really a lot of content.
Speaker 1:Right, episode three, because there's you're trying to and they see how they phase out the clones too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay there's yeah, there's a lot of that covered in bad batch, um wow I. I love how they got it all tied together yeah, I love the, uh, the little things that they did with some standout clones, uh, that weren't directly affected or, like, somehow were able to bypass that.
Speaker 1:I thought that was like really fun stuff.
Speaker 3:I know a lot of people in like the sort of star wars discourse are, with these newer stories coming out, starting to get tired of the oh.
Speaker 2:But there's this other jedi that survived because they're at like a dozen now that somehow miraculously survived was there ever an actual number, though, and you got how many? How many survived?
Speaker 1:Kanan Ezra Ahsoka, I'm sure. Well, Kanan died rebels, but he survived. Order 66.
Speaker 3:My point exactly. I'm pretty sure there's a YouTube video out there of this guy covering like how many more actually survived this? Was it actually that lethal or is there just like 50 guys out there that are perfectly fine?
Speaker 2:Could have been more than that Seriously.
Speaker 1:I'm'm asking you, I don't know because it's either they were hunting them down with the inquisitor, they were hunting down with the.
Speaker 3:So there was there is also a period where there was inquisitors that were hunting them down right. So it it's. It's strange because it seems like the direction that they're going is.
Speaker 3:Order 66 killed a lot of Jedi, but not all of them, not everybody, maybe really only like 75% two thirds give or take, because they're doing so many standout stories now where it's like either it's someone who survived from the jump or they were somewhere super far away yeah, so they didn't have to deal with it. Or even in in some of these uh comic series now you'll spend a bunch of time with this rather mysterious hermit-like character and it's like oh, they're jedi yeah, you know so okay, sure, why not? Um obi-wan being one of them, yeah, obi-wan being one of them, changing the ben um, but obi-wan did have to.
Speaker 2:He did lose it a little bit because he had to get it's a back in touch with the force again and he was not.
Speaker 3:That's something that dave filoni uh borrowed from a lot of the comics and also, for the kenobi series, borrowed from the jedi survivor games. Okay, with uh, with cal kestis, okay, they did something really fun with like uh. Obviously, with video game mechanics, you have to build the character over time, yeah. Yeah, not exactly easy to do. With the jedi they're kind of supposed to just do what they do, right. But for him, the whole thing was that he spent a lot of time without using his powers, and so that's how you sort of level and build the character, gotcha um, as he regains his force abilities, just like obi-wan did in the kenobi series and then he gets it back yeah, gets it at the right freaking time.
Speaker 3:Yeah all the way back yeah, all the way.
Speaker 2:I mean he's pelted him with those freaking boulders, yeah it was a incredible scene.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was great scene and it's like one of the only times that you get like a real uh show of his force capability yeah, they do it a little bit in the clone wars series yeah, you'll get me obi-wan with obi-wan, because obi-wan's so weird, because it's like some people will just wreck him, like he gets pushed in, bad, uh.
Speaker 3:And then other times you have these like miraculous moments with specifically obi-wan, where he's doing things that scale him way above other people, right in terms of power well, we were just saying that too, that obi-wan was considered one of the like best, wasn't you?
Speaker 1:considered one of the best jedis. Well, they considered him the best in form two serisu. Yeah he is, I know I threw it when I said that the first he's the best in form two uh, by far uh, and they actually they don't really uh depict many people doing form two either.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's like one of the rare ones now is it one of the hardest ones is that why it's just? A defensive one okay really is worried about doing that right. The only people that are worried about doing a defensive form are people who are regularly fighting, people with lightsabers, which during the clone wars wasn't super prominent because there was only two set at a time. Gotcha um in the old republic days, which gets, I think, almost solely in games.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, maybe books, yeah, maybe books.
Speaker 3:There's like almost no media on Old Republic until we got the one series High Republic. High Republic is Accolade. Yes, Old Republic was when there was like a lot of Form 2 users, or it was at least a little more normalized.
Speaker 1:Before the rule of two, because that was when there was an army of yeah, the sith were like legion, and then they, yeah, darth bane did start the rule of two oh bane, I don't even.
Speaker 2:I've never even heard that name darth bane's.
Speaker 3:Uh pretty sick nasty. Uh, he's probably one of the scariest Sith. Lords he was like they took Darth Vader. It's like a wizard basically really on top of being a Jedi he was and like just so wildly unkillable.
Speaker 1:They don't really explain it in the movies, but in the Clone Wars they show it a little bit. You know, the Sith also practice like Sith alchemy, like there's a scene with him and what's his name?
Speaker 3:Darth Tyranus um uh, drawn a blank, but I know what you're talking about he's got, he's like royalty, but anyway they're like.
Speaker 1:you see him with like a cauldron or something like that. Okay, practicing force alchemy or something like that. Really yeah, but they don't really show that enough.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. Darth Bane, he's like a brutish character and is just wildly unkillable Really. There's a bunch of cinematics of him getting locked.
Speaker 1:He reappears because there's no such thing as like a Sith ghost, but there's Sith specters and they can exist, like in, like these Sith nexuses or these Sith temples In between worlds and stuff like that. No, they can only exist in, like certain spaces.
Speaker 3:Like spiritual places, but for the dark side.
Speaker 1:Gotcha, I gotcha, yeah, all right, like a Sith we were just talking about that.
Speaker 2:In regards to Anakin with the, was it the Sonoka? How was he pronounced? Again, the series, ahsoka, ahsoka, I'm sorry, and how she was in the in-between with him.
Speaker 1:Yes, and how he was changing from.
Speaker 2:Thwaka's balance and him the balance.
Speaker 3:Yes, the polarizing balance.
Speaker 2:He's not necessarily balanced, but he's either on one side of the scale.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're right. Yeah, yeah, it's a. It's a very fun concept, uh, because everyone always wants to see a. Um, the, it doesn't necessarily exist, but this, the, the theory of like a gray jedi yeah, yeah right.
Speaker 1:Everybody always wants to see it and it's like that's not one that's not supposed to necessarily exist because, yeah, I think uh lucas said like because the the the sith corrupts, the dark side corrupts, so you'll never be better yeah, but if you were strong enough willed person, wouldn't that?
Speaker 2:I'll take it better it's it just corrupts you.
Speaker 3:I think george lucas's point was that the dark side is it is an infectious thing.
Speaker 1:So there's, you can't have any amount of it you're gonna just take it, I got you okay but if you're dead and you die during a redemption arc? Yes you can, you can jump back and forth because you're not dead. You know, can't corrupt you because you're dead. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because I was just saying to him Darth Vader, anakin right, all the shit he did, and then he at the end kills and I literally killed planets of people and then all of a sudden now he does what he's supposed to Right. And she's a son and everything's supposed to be fine now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so you know one life for billions, you save one.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God Makes up for a million, but when you think about it, though, it's like it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1:No, not really. Technically he should be thrown in jail. I mean come on, yeah, no, well, there's a lot of theories on it because he like he, he, he like, created like an alternate ego. Well, he died. So they say like oh vader is the alternate ego.
Speaker 2:But he did die anyway.
Speaker 3:So I mean died at the end. So yeah, yeah um, and then he went to the good side I think probably one of my favorite things that the clone wars did was the episode where they went out into deep space when they the Mortis gods. Yes, they met the actual, like embodiments of light and dark. And then the father.
Speaker 1:They're going to get into that the next season of this. Really, Absolutely Now, what is that about? So the um, there's the mother, the father we never see the mother in the Clone Wars, but the father never see the mother in the clone wars. But the father, the son and the daughter.
Speaker 3:The daughter embodies the light side and the son and the dark side okay the father is, I guess, both, and I guess he's strange, he's like is all neutral gray character, um, who basically just tries to stop them from killing each other wow, okay like on a daily basis, uh, and yeah, no, there's, no, there's. I don't think there's any depiction of the mother. No, yet, uh, which?
Speaker 1:is interesting, but I think there's there's theories that she might be in the soca series I would imagine so and what would she be leaning towards? Very powerful gray or I mean, there's like so many directions, the death mary witches were afraid of whatever the fuck was on that planet yeah, that's why I think it might be the mother.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, um. And so that brings up a really good point. If the, if the daughter, is an embodiment of light, yeah, um, and that owl figure that ahsoka regularly sees Right. And then the the sun, yeah, um, the sun is supposed to be the embodiment of darkness, very Darth, maul, esque looking edgy, bad guy. Um. The father is this gray neutral who looks very human in comparison to his children. The. My theory is is that the mother could, and the reason that the dafmiri were scared of her is that the mother could be the embodiment of, like the, the deep space, like scary side of star wars okay like, uh, like, uh, what, uh, what's it called Starweirds, which is like a book thing?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Super scary Leviathan creatures out in deep space that have made entire starcruisers disappear. Yeah, okay, that's not good.
Speaker 1:And you know what that plays well too, because the Purgle are like the only deep space creatures we ever see.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:So that would kind of tie it in that there's deep space like creatures that exist in deep space.
Speaker 2:So there's stuff that they can still add on to, and build off of and make more stories, which is really cool. It's amazing how they come up, but a lot of this stuff wasn't already out when the first Star Wars came out, right? It was just the comic books, the background, that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Dave Filoni man. He took it and ran with it. Yeah, it's a good thing, and it's a good thing, yeah.
Speaker 1:I hope he takes over for Kennedy, but you know.
Speaker 3:He took every little bit that George Lucas gave him and found a way to flesh it out and add even more lore to it. Right and it's remarkable work. Honestly, he did an incredible job.
Speaker 2:That's awesome. Well, I think we had a good time doing this talk and I appreciate you came in the middle of it. I didn't come in the middle 45s are usually cut off.
Speaker 1:So you see, we're right there. We got a little thrown off.
Speaker 2:We had some technical issues, but I'm glad you're here and has some technical issues, but I'm glad you're here, and then we could do the next one. So, anyway, tom, thank you Justin, I appreciate it, and may the force be with you and for you as well, sir, live long and prosper.
Speaker 3:May the force be with you.
Speaker 2:May the force be with you.
Speaker 3:We'll do another one in two minutes, you got it.
