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Cottman,Crawford and the Jersey guy.
From Mixtapes to TikTok: What Makes a Music Legend?
What do The Beatles, Wu-Tang, Kate Bush, and Bad Bunny have in common? They’re part of a wild, heartfelt convo on music's past, present, and future in this week’s spontaneous jam session.
We’re talking:
How streaming changed music discovery
The magic of mixtapes, burned CDs & binders in the car
What really makes an artist legendary
Freestyle, house music, and forgotten soundtracks
Indie artists blowing up on TikTok & YouTube
Live Aid, karaoke bars, and that one song that always hits
From Soul to Salsa, Nirvana to NWA, we celebrate the moments music becomes a feeling — and why some songs last forever. This is music from the streets, the speakers, and the soul.
🔁 Repeat listens guaranteed.
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Welcome to Cotman Crawford and the Jersey Guy podcast. Today's episode is a spur of the moment jam session. We're diving into the magic of music in a streaming age and how bands become legendary like Truly Legendary Beatles, nirvana, pac, biggie, you name it. Yes, that's the shit right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, we're doing this episode. We're doing a live one. It's going to be a little different, as you can see, as you can not see.
Speaker 2:I am not in front of the camera, I'm behind the camera now.
Speaker 1:So yeah, because we're going to be doing an Instagram Live. Oh look, mc Yanks joined us. You know who that is. What's up y'all?
Speaker 2:Your brother's there? Yes, who? That is what's up how you doing, hey.
Speaker 1:So yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So today's episode, we said, is music, yeah, and rock and rock and roll bands, everything. The rock and roll bands the back in the day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know, it's just, we're going to do an episode on music. We're going to talk about streaming and how bands become legendary. It's just interesting.
Speaker 3:We didn't have streaming when we were growing up, yeah, no, no, no. So we had the records and tapes, so, yeah, so, so, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I figured the first part we're going to got to this, yeah, so we're going to be talking about streaming, right? So like you can literally hear, like everything now anywhere, every time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 1:And you know what it's. It's funny how we take these things for like, granted, right, like we don't ever think like, like, like you know, it's like we're in the future now, like we can. Just we didn't, you know, 20 years ago. Imagine we were still like you know, either we had CDs, we had that giant booklet of CDs, or we had MP3s and all that Under the car under the seat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you had to burn MP3s. Burning melted CDs, oh my God, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, so now, if you think about it, how easy it out to find them. Dig for them literally in the crates.
Speaker 3:Well, right, you had to go to the record store or whatever. And if you were on the radio and you were making a tape or something, oh my God Right, you would have to wait until the song said like you'd find it out, oh now you're talking all that now, yeah, you can YouTube it. You can go on someplace and just get it. Your brother said bro.
Speaker 1:Yo, what's up people. So yeah, but like, think about that, like you had to have all these booklets of CDs. Some people had them. Remember those you had like a multi-disc thing. It was like in your console or your trunk or something like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a big chunky thing, put in like five or six CDs in there and then your well. So it was like towards the ending of the Benzibox.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, they would rotate right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they would pick which CD, CD one, you know song one or five, or whatever, you know what I had the carousel in my home stereo.
Speaker 3:Oh, at home. Yeah, the still in that spun, come on, still. No, I had that. You know what I'm saying. We all had it.
Speaker 2:I had that. No, no, I didn't have that. I had the book, you had the book, I had a CD book. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the cassettes, the cassettes. It was that long, hard case sleeve thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but you had the thing that changed the CD.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about for the car. Oh, for the car. Yeah, I used to carry the whole book. It was like a binder. Oh yeah, I had one too.
Speaker 3:The green one.
Speaker 2:That was freaking great.
Speaker 3:I burned so many CDs everything that I wanted to listen to.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that shit was so funny man back in the day and now you can just plug in your phone to the car and listen to what you want Like I. I so I was into like the oldies, you know Johnny Marshall and the Brooklyn bridge and stuff like that Way, way oldies and you had to go and find them on, either watching it on TV and an infomercial to be able to order it.
Speaker 2:Right Time, yeah, or you have to go and find some record store, somewhere that was actually selling them, right, no? Or with CDs and whatnot, yeah, not, yeah, now, just like oh yeah, cds are like yeah. They're archaic now. Nobody uses them anymore. Yeah for Frisbees for target practice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know what, though, see, it's funny how we've gone from that to like now you can have music everywhere. Yeah, you got Spotify, yes, apple Music, youtube Music, and I use it's not as the popular one. I use it's not as the popular one I use. Amazon music, because I got it, you know, because I have streaming anywhere in my house.
Speaker 1:Right, I have like an Echo device in like almost every room in my house, but you got that everywhere Like you'd, be like Alexa, play this everywhere, in every single room of the house.
Speaker 2:It was turned on.
Speaker 1:That is funny as hell. So I like that, but anyway, so you know, the thing is is like you could be, like the thing is it starts learning your, the algorithm starts learning.
Speaker 3:Yes, right, oh yeah, it picks up immediately.
Speaker 1:It picks up music. And then I know I use Amazon Music, I know they have my soundtrack, but I'm sure I know Spotify probably has something they might call it my music or something like that. Okay, and then it learned.
Speaker 2:You know it'll play music that you like and then, and music that, like it thinks you might like, based on yeah, based on that sound right on you like, or how don't they all do that? I mean, pandora does that too. Like. If you like everything, yeah, it comes up right and then it kind of goes in that direction like without and limited.
Speaker 1:Like I like that's unlimited service because you can pick any song you want at any time.
Speaker 2:You know it's right well, like so, I listen to soundcloud and on soundcloud it's soundcloud's good mixes, especially with the mixes yeah, the mixes, and um, it's like blends, dj blends, like that club kind of shit, and you can pick. When you start picking a kind of music, it'll the next you know list that it'll play right, and it's an hour long somewhere an hour and a half two hours long.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the mixes are great super long mixes and you get into, like you said, that algorithm. I turn around, I looked up, uh, freaking um teddy pendergrass. One time, yeah, and I got everything, teddy pendergrass everything 70s right everything 60s yeah, that whole soul, soul, sound, sound soul.
Speaker 1:It was freaking great man but, like for me, like I started getting into, the cool thing is, like you know, like in the past, like you had to like basically have like whatever, like the radio and like right, yeah, out to you. But now people are starting to discover all these like indie artists and stuff like that yeah, and like even myself, like I started getting more into like dark synth wave right when we said that stuff and then all of a sudden, before you know what I'm, I'm listening to 90s hip-hop again.
Speaker 1:Now I'm like into 90s hip-hop again, like I, like I kind of rediscovered it. It's a shame too, because, like in for me, like in the 90s, like I didn't listen to a lot of like I didn't listen to a lot of hip-hop because I was like I'm a metalhead, you know yeah right labels are important when you're a teenager yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh. I can't listen to hip-hop, I'm a metal head I was like pissed off.
Speaker 1:Now I'm like this is really good music yeah, I missed all that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, nah, bro, but I don't miss it. Now I got to rediscover it. Yeah, see, for me I didn't have that. I listened to pretty much. There was so much that I heard growing up right between my parents, my family. You know just in general what I was exposed to through them, and then what I listened to on the radio, and then, of course, the bands and the music that came out saturday night fever, and then we got into dancing and everything started from there and it was house music, you know, like it was disco.
Speaker 3:They were nuts, you know, yeah, but there were so many branches, right. That's the great thing about music. It just something else can stem from it and just yeah, no, definitely, bro, listen.
Speaker 2:I even now listening to a lot of Nifty Soul. Like there's this one girl, her name is Snow Allegra. I started listening to her Jill Scott, I'm in love with your hands. I love Jill Scott, but she's got that voice that just grabs me, you know. And oh yeah, it's just freaking amazing, you know. But, like you said, you like it and you find out all those streaming services.
Speaker 3:And then if you listen to that, it'll find other artists that are similar to that genre that you're listening to and that's how Pandora works for me, because I have so many different stations. That's why I have that huge mix.
Speaker 2:I just mix everything up. Do you have? Let's say, you played the shuffle. Tanya's on.
Speaker 1:She said she shared the live with a few people.
Speaker 3:Yes, Thank you, what's up?
Speaker 1:No, no, shuffle. Yeah, and I got a list of stations, so they all mix together, which is great. Ah, tanya said we should. We should. Next time we do a live we'll announce it. And, by the way, guys or people, folks don't want to be gender specific but, you know. You know like we're going to try to do this like every other, like week. You know what I mean. We're gonna, we're gonna try to at least one of them, get them done. We might do it this style.
Speaker 3:Do live, you know, people can you know, tell us to shut up, I'll be behind the mic, you don't get to.
Speaker 2:They can't tell us to shut up. They can't tell us, man. They can't tell us whatever so I spread the word spread the word.
Speaker 3:I like that that you listen to. No matter when you hear it, it always makes you emotional. Oh, like that one song, that, and even if you haven't heard it for a long time or whatever it just, and then, for whatever reason, you just start to like I don't. I would say it's the people's song.
Speaker 2:It's the song and depending on when it is, when it is.
Speaker 3:That's true too. You know what I mean. What's going on in your life At that moment.
Speaker 2:Right, you know what I?
Speaker 3:mean Music is a way of yeah, coming full circle. Yes, it's awesome.
Speaker 2:Like matter of fact, I was talking about how all the 70s protest music is relevant today. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And on all, it's just how the love songs, like the old school love song there, that they just you know, they all come back now and like oh man, I love you, honey Moon is in the seventh house and Jupiter lies. That is too funny, but yeah, so 60s.
Speaker 3:Yeah. That was from Hair, by the way, which was a musical back in the day, and they made movies from it, yeah, but that was a great.
Speaker 1:It was a great, uh soundtrack but you know what's cool too is the other thing is is like so so a lot of these bands now are getting discovered right like like all these indie bands that don't have labels are getting discovered right, and they're kind of making money without needing a record label. Yeah, it's pretty all it's all diy stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yes, it's definitely different from when the bands back in the day, when we were growing up and we were listening to those guys, had put posters up.
Speaker 1:They went to clubs, they traveled, I mean we were just talking, you know, don't forget, in our first season, eric was here, right, and he actually got signed on a label after Becoming Popular from Spotify, right, yeah, you know, that's the kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:That's awesome, yeah, because it's a streaming. It's now you, can you have more?
Speaker 3:exposure now, exactly, everybody has it now. It doesn't matter if you have the same as anybody else. Now that you can just you can become famous. It could be anything, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we were talking earlier like bands like being legendary right and I think I think the way about the way I perceive like a legendary status is like you know when, when we were growing up, right, we weren't. I don't know if you guys were around for the beatles, right?
Speaker 3:no no, he was, you were mania.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah but like you know, like I grew up, like they were already like you know, but like and then, like you know, it's the fact that, like, bands, like, become famous and then, like, they gain new fans after they're gone.
Speaker 2:And now more than existence, like right now we're seeing that kind of happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like Nirvana. Yeah, there's a lot of Gen Z like kids that are like Nirvana. I say kids, but they are kids.
Speaker 2:I know, I know, know.
Speaker 1:I hate to be that because you know I was like. I hate when people call me kids I'm supposed to be nice.
Speaker 3:Don't call me a kid, sorry. Sure bands have that ability, though, to be able to jump to the next generation, because their music is timeless, almost really, when you think about it certain things they may have done, or a song, or were, at the time, albums yeah albums right. So yeah, like zeppelin, you know the stones, the who, yeah right even ozzy bro, think of how ozzy. Well, yeah, and as you go through the years, right the beatles yeah and the same thing, like tupac and biggie.
Speaker 1:People are still finding the hip-hop tribe called quest. People are finding like all that music is like freestyle music.
Speaker 2:You know judy torres. You know noel. Torres you know, noel, like those are things too. House music, bro. They're using the old school house beats and then mixing it with other stuff. And it's like holy friolis, like shit. That's freaking awesome. You know, I remember that beat.
Speaker 3:I remember that beat Frank was doing some stuff for me. The other day he sent me some stuff mixes that he was doing with present time stuff with old school music. Yup, yeah, mixing it that way and it was good stuff. Yeah, they were really good mixes. A friend of mine does that DJ's pretty good DJ Ravi Pretty well, I should say, because I don't want to hear no shit from him.
Speaker 2:But they do that where they're taking those old songs and then just putting, like the music you said, and new people singing on them. Some of them probably shouldn't be, but there's some other ones that sound pretty good. Man, you mean people who are making up their own music no, no they're not redoing the song, they're just singing along with it their own words.
Speaker 3:I'm wishy washy with that. Sometimes, though, even through the years when you've done that, there's been songs where people use other people's music and put their own lyrics to it. Right, some worked out real well, and there were others that you were like you should have left it alone. It was fine the way it was, before you mess with it.
Speaker 2:Definitely.
Speaker 3:Some people redo the song right, like there's remakes, right, yeah, like when you think about the Beatles, right, joe Cocker did, yeah, what was the song? What would you do?
Speaker 2:if I say it like this yeah, and his was better and that song became more popular and the Beatles did that right. Sgt Pepper's Lonely House called Bad, right, yes.
Speaker 3:And then he came along and he said, alright, I'm gonna do a different. He put a different twist on it and it was freaking phenomenal.
Speaker 1:And then, when they put it in the Wonder Years yeah, wonder Years. See, I love you to say that.
Speaker 3:I don't wanna be like the only one Music for us is ingrained because think about the generations before us that, as it passed on our parents from their parents and then they passed it on to us, stuff that we listened to Like I remember driving in a car we had a Dodge. Dart lived in Brooklyn, new York. My mother always had the radio on and I loved listening to the music all the time man. I just loved it you know yeah.
Speaker 3:And I jumped all the time. I didn't. Well, my mother always kept it on one station usually, but if it was home and I had my own stereo, I was usually yeah, something else that I can?
Speaker 2:play, or you know, a lot of salsa, a lot of Latin too, and it's crazy because now a lot of these guys are redoing or just using the same music because it was such a such a hit. It was that. It was that that catchy. You know, when you man, there's some stuff now like bad bunny, yeah, I like this album that he just did, yeah, yeah, it's a good album, but I said it's that salsa sound and it's like that's where I'm at. A lot of that stuff, man, it's, it's so as they do it right, right, yes and they don't like.
Speaker 3:You know, we've heard some remakes and we're like, yeah, no, that's not good, you're never gonna hear it again if it does. Well, usually it'll be on the radio like zeppelin's. Not simple. No, van halen's done it yeah, yeah, they've done a couple right. You really got me now.
Speaker 1:You really got me now which was from the kinks, I believe, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, I think so. They redid it, you know and that they did.
Speaker 3:That was awesome job. Yeah, they were able to get away with it, especially with Van Halen, with the guitars phenomenal yeah there are a lot of songs, a lot of things.
Speaker 2:I said I love music, you know music. I think it's a great way to communicate with people you know, to soothe the savage beast. You know the savage beast because those man listen. Think about it. You listen to when you were in a funky place and you listen to the song and you had the right song, bro. You're like I'm feeling good, now I'm better.
Speaker 1:You ever have that one song that you just start fucking dancing. It's like boom boom.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bro, Up and down.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's a couple bro House music, yeah, house music and salsa music. Well, I do it with reggae too. Reggae, yeah, I do it.
Speaker 2:The 80s and 90s reggae. You know used to have fun with those. Yeah, miss those days for that you know what I mean speaking of.
Speaker 1:You put Trap Call Quest on. You put here we go, yeah, here we go. So what's the scenario?
Speaker 2:hey, yo Bono's this, what Clono's that, what Bono's that?
Speaker 3:yeah knows this, who knows that, what who?
Speaker 2:knows that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, benita Applebon, yeah, tribe Called Quest, a lot of that hip hop stuff. You know yeah Right and they also. But see, now they took music. They took, you know, soul. They took old school love songs. You know Wu-Tang, they took a bunch of of like out of karate movies and had that sound and put their rap music on there. You know what I mean All that Hip hop is. I think hip hop took music to a new. Well, we know it did. It took it to just a whole different place and then it went in other directions.
Speaker 3:Right, like it just. That's how it, is it just?
Speaker 2:went so wild, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:And lot of celebrities, a lot of old music that they brought back. Oh man, Wasn't it Ice-T and Eminem? Didn't they do something together?
Speaker 1:Oh, dr Dre, They've done a lot of stuff together. Yeah, a bunch of stuff they just did something new together, though.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't know. You might be right, I'm not even sure. Nirvana, nirvana, a lot of their beats came from.
Speaker 1:You see that video where Dave Grohl said that he told the guy he got it, where he got from. He got it from disco.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he got a lot of the drum beats from disco music. Like that was just one.
Speaker 1:Or from funk music yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm like no way. And then when he did it because Pharrell was interviewing, you dropped the bomb on me Like what.
Speaker 1:He even shows an example of what song it was.
Speaker 2:It was like yeah, yeah, yeah, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Was it Team Spirit?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:I forget what song it was, though, that he ripped up from. Yeah, but that's.
Speaker 3:You know what I loved about that, though? That he was honest about it and said hey, I was influenced by this.
Speaker 1:There's nothing wrong to say about it I knew that's that's people should know. Ego man, that's awesome. Everybody's inspired by me you have to your music is inspired from other people's music, right, yeah, but you don't just like I came up with this new sound that I never heard of, ever.
Speaker 2:You see, now I will say this, because when we had our episode on um music before and we had arak on here, I told him, I asked him that there was somebody that I had seen in an interview many moons ago and they said there's no new music, there's nothing new that anybody could sit there and make. And he says not true, not true. And after he said that is when it woke me up like, oh dude, you're right, because there are things that we didn't even know was the same song you know what I mean and it just changed how they just Right.
Speaker 1:If was the same song, you know what I mean and it just changed how they just Right. If you sing a song and then I sing the song that you sung, it's going to be different?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because your tone is different than mine.
Speaker 3:Like mine, you won't know what you can try to do is do as close as possible, Like if you're going to remake the song.
Speaker 1:Unless I'm trying to be a to sound exactly the same, but still.
Speaker 2:Even then they still sound a little bit, you know, a little bit different, because they still get their little bit like.
Speaker 3:But, it's still cool. If the band is good and you're at a bar and they do cover it well, you don't mind so much and you get into it, you hang out with friends, do a couple of shots Right.
Speaker 2:It's a. Thing.
Speaker 3:It's a beautiful day.
Speaker 2:but that's the shit, bro, that's yeah, music is awesome, you know.
Speaker 3:I love music. Beat up your mic, yeah, it's all right. It happens every once in a while, people but yeah, so like.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, back to like what we were talking about with, like streaming services. Right, you know like it's interesting because, like you could be, like you know, you don't have to like, first of all, you don't have to dig through record stores to find music that you want.
Speaker 3:I mean, it does kind of you know, you can still do it. There are record shops out there, there are still old school record stores. Well, they've come back. They've come back.
Speaker 1:Because there's something, there's that human element that's missing.
Speaker 2:Just looking through with your hands and pushing it.
Speaker 1:But you don't have to now. You can find any music you want on wherever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like my sister kendra, she's got a record player and yeah, she just bought one recently, right, but not around like the last five years or so, maybe a little bit longer yeah, they sell them though, but she makes me laugh because she's like remember this album, remember that album. I'm like oh, dude oh, dude.
Speaker 1:But what I love is how it suggests music still so like, if you're listening to like, say, you're listening like kendrick lamar, like at a nostril, so like, if you're listening to like, say you're listening to like Kendrick Lamar, you might get a Nas throwback. Right, or if you're you know you listen to Billie Eilish, you might get a. A portage might slip in.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. Yeah, billie Eilish is great. She has a similar music. You know what? I mean Look at her, but her voice is, yeah, it's unique. Yes, you know she has a good style and everything and, by the way, yeah, super talented, right? Okay, she has Tourette's, oh yeah who does?
Speaker 2:Billie Eilish?
Speaker 3:oh yeah, she gets tics and I was watching her do an interview with, I think it was, oh god, david Letterman, oh, and he was not on his show but he was doing a 101 and she had one with him while she was, while he was interviewing her. He was like, oh, she said I thought that was just she's like. No, no, I just had to take, you know, like, but she was so she didn't allow it to like, she just yeah, it was part of her persona.
Speaker 1:Who she?
Speaker 3:is, she accepted it and she yeah, and you can hear it too, because in her music it's very. You know you get a lot, yeah, what you say emotionally and not just for the words as well. You know it's just good. I like her style. She's pretty, she's really good yeah yeah, there are.
Speaker 2:There are a lot of good ones now, there are a lot of ways now, but so here we are, and we've been speaking on like music that we know from when we've grown up, and what we would consider legends and such. What makes the legend, though? Is it just the people the loudest?
Speaker 3:I guess at that time. I think everyone is different. They're legend for their thing, the thing that they stand now for, like so then, who is more okay?
Speaker 2:so like say, with the beatles, you know what soul singer or group was just as famous?
Speaker 3:you know what I mean only a lot of groups back then that were famous.
Speaker 2:I mean, why was it that we didn't hear? Like right now I can't say oh my god. So, and so was out the same time. The Beatles were you know the Stones were out what made them.
Speaker 3:Led Zeppelin was coming out later on. They were all competed against one. Then there were other bands too, of course. I mean, now I can't you know, but people somehow like their music. Yeah, the Partridge family.
Speaker 2:They're in my freaking Pandora.
Speaker 3:But I think each one is different. Like the Stones have their thing, they have a unique style.
Speaker 1:It wasn't meant to sell albums, but people end up listening to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right Like their own songs yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry but you said the right right. You know, like, let's up, your Robert Plant got an unbelievable drummer, lee sing. You know a guitarist, jimmy Page, you know. And then you have other bands like you got Stones. You have Mick Jagger, right, keith Richards, and you know each one contribute, they all at that time that's what they did, that chemistry, everything they had you know like for how, whatever it was, and the music that they wrote. And then you have bands like later on that came along who were more like the who was like crazy, they were good, yeah, yeah. And then you know, as you go into the seventies, kiss, the theatrics and everything and the music and everything you know, and they changed.
Speaker 2:They changed rock and roll, they changed a lot of different things you know, but I think each one of them did though. Like Michael Jackson, the Jackson 5, five, you know, uh, you can go through every one of them. Then it just the things that are around today is because of all that stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's so much great music. I think at least it should be. Yeah, that it, it does it, it strikes that nerve, it makes you think, it makes you feel, you know, so you get that.
Speaker 3:You said the tear jerker and yeah you know, yeah, oh yeah, every day what?
Speaker 2:gets, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Every day. What gets you?
Speaker 2:most hyped up in the morning, like do you listen to because you drive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know you got a long ride.
Speaker 2:So, like, what gets you hyped up? Or is it just depending on what, how you woke up?
Speaker 1:You know what I do have like certain things I like to listen to, like to listen to yeah, some of its dark wave is some of its hip-hop, but like, so, like a dark wave, I like listening to what was that boy, harsher was pretty good, but a little more up, so is that like your go-to song in the morning when you just, uh, you need that motivation. I like I like, I like wu-tang man, forget about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, listen people, they they don't get what I'm saying, but they're the hip-hop version of of kiss because they marketed their name, so I think of the name of the song because you know what?
Speaker 3:I get, I get. I just leave whatever's on the radio at the time. If not, I just hit the other station like it is forward, like I have satellite radio. So I just a channel set already I just go through my channels.
Speaker 2:I'm three seconds from my house. I don't even get a chance to like listen to a whole song.
Speaker 1:I listen to Protect your Neck.
Speaker 2:Ah, okay, protect your neck. You gotta protect your neck, yeah, thank God.
Speaker 1:Wu-Tang.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Straight Outta Compton. That was straight out of Compton. You're singing that today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hilarious man. Yeah, you should be ice cube for, uh, yeah, halloween, halloween, yeah, I walked on the block. Yes, that would be fucking hilarious bro. Oh my god, yeah, but like I said, I like for me the music that gets me hyped up, like about my work is I'll listen to uh, to freestyle, and then blend into house music, oh yeah you know like that'll that'll be that that'll get start getting hyped up at work.
Speaker 3:Yeah, for sure I'll do that. Like if I go out and do the Mold the Lawn, I'll have my headphones on. Usually I just leave the shuffle on, but if a good song comes on, you know you start rocking too, you just frigging plow through it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and how many of the songs that play. So let's say, if we listen to Pandora or even you, like you said, on Spotify, songs play. How many of the songs in your playlist or in your algorithm? How many songs do you know the words to? Oh gosh, because I'm sitting there, I go, it's crazy so many I go and I'm singing to myself and I'm like, holy shit, I go from hip hop to oldies, to Metallica, to, you know, neil Diamond, neil Diamond, teddy Pendergrass, and come all the way back around and hit up, I'm sorry, partridge Family. Luthor, bro Luthor, forget about it. Luthor Vandross, absolutely Luthor.
Speaker 1:Vandross. It's hilarious, it's pretty funny. The more you listen to the song, the better you get at the timing too and the pitch.
Speaker 3:You could actually sing the fucking song Marvin Gaye, Diana Ross.
Speaker 2:But see, I won't sing karaoke. Lou sings good karaoke.
Speaker 3:Oh karaoke.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can't, I'm not going to do karaoke. I'd do it once in a while I just
Speaker 3:did it actually not too long ago at the wedding.
Speaker 1:You know what's a fun place to go to if you ever go.
Speaker 3:Billy Joel. How can we forget about him? Billy Joel is, like the master man, unbelievable.
Speaker 1:You know what's a fun place.
Speaker 3:Bruce Springsteen.
Speaker 1:St Mark's Place, a place called Sing Sing Karaoke. No way you rent a private room and the waiter brings you drinks to the private room. And you've got the karaoke and it's got like couches and stuff.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, that's hilarious, that's nice. Is it in the?
Speaker 1:city or in Jersey, st Mark's Place. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 3:That's awesome you can go hang out with your friends in there and do that. I mean this is years ago.
Speaker 1:I'm assuming it's still there.
Speaker 3:That was a popular place.
Speaker 1:That's a cool thing to do, man, I don't know, but COVID could have killed a lot of businesses then, sure. I have to look it up. That was a cool place.
Speaker 3:I think people are still doing it regardless now yeah, people are doing karaoke.
Speaker 2:Still, it might have killed them.
Speaker 1:You know, during that time a lot of business.
Speaker 2:I'm sure, yeah, yeah, it did a lot of things right.
Speaker 3:There was a lot of things yeah.
Speaker 2:It's hookah and karaoke now you know, what I mean Like that yeah, I never did any of that, no, no, but it's a thing bro, Bowling's always fun.
Speaker 3:Bowling and karaoke. Excuse me with music. You go to Bowling Alley and it's yeah bro. And you're hanging out and it's like one of those nights where they have the crazy With all the lights and shit and you got the music playing.
Speaker 2:You have a couple of beers and hanging out. Madison Square Garden used to do that. Go in.
Speaker 3:They were open until like two in the morning bro, they had one at the mall, but they closed it. It doesn't do it anymore the one in the Palisades. Remember, I think it's I don't know if it's there anymore the bowling alley in the Palisades, but they closed that.
Speaker 1:They closed it. They closed that.
Speaker 2:Yeah it, the lanes are all worked up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, everything's sinking in that building. Yeah, I think they're going to close that thing soon anyway, no, yeah, I love that place bro. I think they're going to.
Speaker 2:I love going there. Wife hates going there with me. It's a building shit on landfills, yeah. Well yeah, there's in so many places. Yeah, that's what happens. You know, that's a. I mean, like you said before, just the way that the music has evolved. You know, streaming services, people becoming famous on streaming services without having to sign with a label.
Speaker 1:Chance the Rapper. That's how he got that kind of famous. Yeah, chance, that's a perfect example. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because he did. Matter of fact, I don't even think he still, he's not on a label. He's still not on a label. He's on the Voice now. Well, he was not now, he was on the Voice, but look, look at the what do you call it?
Speaker 3:social media does like you get what's his Jake Paul right boxing and all that shit yeah punk ass, right, but but look what he did for him. That's what I'm saying. He was able to put them in a genre that normally that wouldn't happen. That way you know, that's not how it usually happens, but in today's world, you know if you're on social media and you do that stuff.
Speaker 3:Then what about the young girl who's on there? I got here. I remember the one with the Tourette's. Now she has her own TV show, which I love her. She's been sorry. I do follow you on our Instagram and everything else, but she's great in the fact that she was able to tell her story and do that, and social media was able to do that for her. Yeah, because she was on it all the time. Right, that's what music does. That's how music has gotten around, you're right, and people are able to do their own music. Now, like I noticed, gene Simmons from Kiss, his son, has actually been doing a few things as well. He has a friend, he sits and they play guitar and has vocals to different songs that you've
Speaker 2:heard before.
Speaker 3:I think he did Simon and Garfunkel once and there was another one. But that's what I'm saying. You could get on there and just start and you could put it out to everybody and they can see it, and then who knows, you never know Somebody might say hey, that's a pretty good idea.
Speaker 2:That's a lot of they have. I'm sorry, go ahead, you first.
Speaker 1:No, and it's just interesting how it's democratized now you know there's no, you know, because there's no like you know, it's not like with your friends. Yeah, you know, I I don't use like a spotify, but I found out that I might be able to switch to spotify. Actually because I found out you can use spotify on amazon like you.
Speaker 3:Like you don't have to use their, their music anymore you could play it, you could play your um your pandora right on alexa want. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay but anyway.
Speaker 1:so what was I going to say? Where was I going with that Sorry?
Speaker 2:No, it's all right, it's all right.
Speaker 1:But like, yeah, so like you can. You know, and not only that, like music because of that, like people are starting to like TikTok, like people are discovering artists through TikTok videos, because TikTok videos get popular, right yeah, the same thing with-.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and we could do almost anything on there, and like, even like.
Speaker 1:I mean, obviously the movie blew up, but like they re-brought back Kate Bush's song you know from the Stranger Things show. Oh right, yeah. And then it blew up even more. Yeah, people started using it on TikTok. Yeah Right.
Speaker 3:It. People started using it on TikTok Yup Right. It just takes a life of its own and it just freaking goes.
Speaker 1:And same thing like a lot of artists are getting famous, like that song, Astronaut in the Ocean. That became famous from tech. People were using that video for like so many things in like 2000, 2001. Yeah, really that they got famous from that, yup.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what I mean. It's insane so and insane so and that's why I think, why music has changed so much has been able to change. They social. But there's a few people that do it on social media that they say, these musicians, they sit out on the sidewalk somewhere, they have a whole setup at the you know, uh, set up keyboard and whatnot and record, and then they'll have people come up and they'll say, all right, tell me your beat and give me this and say this, and, and they'll do, and, you know, make a whole song. Way back in the day on the Cosby show, um, stevie Wonder was on.
Speaker 2:I remember that, yeah, and he had the family go into the studio.
Speaker 1:Right, right.
Speaker 3:They made a thing out of it. Yeah, is that what the song is?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you know, everybody has Jam on the one, jam on the one, and that's. You know what Stevie Wonder was doing, and that's what people do are doing now, where that's where they're getting new music, where you know what's making them famous you know, for just making for writing songs on the fly. I know Richie did that a long time ago with Barbara Walters. She was interviewing him and he says, like you know, yeah, I can it just means you kind of have that kind of talent, yeah, and and people.
Speaker 2:I don't know what it is in the water right now, but people are that kind of of gifted to be able to do that.
Speaker 3:More people are doing that now I should say I like the things when you see the videos on social media where you find a guy, he's in a like a busy hall or something where there's a piano and he's playing whatever, and then this kid comes over and say, hey, can I play with you? And they got a violin. Oh yeah. Or they, you know they sing, or whatever. And it's like blows your mind, it's like yeah, hell man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's cool, teddy Simms he's walking of that is singing his song, and then he'll just come over and sneak up behind them and then just start singing with them. Oh, that's great, I lose control. And then people are like and then they start singing together. Yo, it's freaking great. Cause they said they have a moment like, oh shit, he's really here, right?
Speaker 3:You know, that would freak me out, that would be like, yeah, it is. But it song so for me when people are doing it if you listen to his, because I have him on my pandora so I like whatever he's seeing. He's got more than there's a couple. There's a few of them.
Speaker 2:That are really good and his songs are different.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and personally you could tell there's a lot of personal yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, stuff in there that he's you know he's talking about that reminds me I remember seeing a video like a world famous like violinist decided to like go to one of the station.
Speaker 1:Oh, I read that and like played, yeah, like, yeah, people didn't even know it was him. Yeah, people pay like a lot of money to go see him.
Speaker 3:No, no, people put money and that's hard yeah no, no, but they didn't know who he was.
Speaker 1:They put money but they thought he was just like yeah, some regular guy.
Speaker 2:Yes, you know from some guy that's hard. Yeah, no, no, but they didn't know who he was. They put money but they thought he was just like yeah, some regular guy. Yes, you know from some guy that's just trying to make a couple of dollars and that's honestly I.
Speaker 1:I mean, maybe, maybe I'm biased, but I think that's like real art is people who play on the street. You share that right because they're not, rather than yeah, right I'm not saying people who make money aren't no, no no right, I know what you mean.
Speaker 2:I know what you mean Out of passion.
Speaker 1:Right but like, that's like.
Speaker 3:But that's how a lot of people. It's good that they can share it. Oh, you know, I'm all going home from work Right, bust out my violin, or whatever and just start sharing this with people.
Speaker 2:Well, a lot of people I think that's the thing too yeah, and a lot of artists. In the beginning they just wanted to stay underground. They didn't want to do that crossover. Think of how many rock bands back in the day you know like Metallica, metallica went through that. You know that they started to do a little bit more commercial stuff and people calling them sellouts and the Black Album sucked and yada, yada, yada. Meanwhile you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:They're going to be in London too. I think, yeah, they're going to be in London too. I think, yeah, they're going to be yeah, because yes, I mean they're a band that just they've always changed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they are. And they're freaking awesome bro, they show a video that's going on all over social media.
Speaker 3:Yeah, them in concert in Russia. Yes, and you see all the people that are out there.
Speaker 1:They're in uniforms and everything and they're playing.
Speaker 3:what do you call?
Speaker 1:it Sandman Into.
Speaker 3:Sandman, yeah, into Sandman, and they're jamming.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like he's rocking.
Speaker 3:That place is rocking man.
Speaker 2:And everybody knows the words Every. I think that's what makes you a legend, bro, when people from different countries don't even know.
Speaker 1:They don't even speak the language.
Speaker 2:That's not. You're first and they know the word and they know the words. You know, like, see, so I'm going to make it funny. A lot of fans are like that. So David Hasselhoff is a legend In Germany. You know what I'm saying. You know, meanwhile, for us, you know, I don't know anybody honestly, what about the other way around?
Speaker 1:Uh-oh, where like we?
Speaker 2:sing their song. Yeah, Like dooons or oh.
Speaker 1:Or Open Gag, Time Style. No man Forget it.
Speaker 2:No, that's not legendary, I know.
Speaker 1:I know, but we all listen to the world.
Speaker 3:That's wedding music, these people, they travel all over the world though, yeah, so you know a lot of countries are going to like them. You know, Definitely A lot of these bands are definitely they're gonna love them.
Speaker 2:It's freaking hilarious man, but I think that that's that that's probably what has to make you put you in that legendary category when people from other countries are singing your music and your and they don't speak the language you know yeah that.
Speaker 1:So that's the criteria and then number two is another generation.
Speaker 3:Let picks up your music and your album's all on platinum too, yeah.
Speaker 1:After you've already gained fame.
Speaker 2:That means a lot, or you could still be, yeah, after you've already gained fame. I don't know. But see, I don't go by the albums.
Speaker 3:I'm going to tell you why, but hey, you should, because when you listen to bands like Kiss and Led Zeppelin and all those guys got all those, those meant something for the time that those guys those things were awesome to get, because when you're getting the platinum, that means that's how many you sold. Yeah, it was worldwide. It wasn't just. I guess it was known all over the world.
Speaker 2:Led Zeppelin was Beatles on, and on and on. I get it that makes sense.
Speaker 3:I hear you wanted to go to Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Nobody really considers it, so for them the Platinum albums are better than that bullshit. The way they look at it. Or gold albums too. I'll give you an example you got.
Speaker 1:Metallica, and you got Guns N' Roses, and what are the other bands that are still, that are still?
Speaker 2:rocking, or who they just retired, but like KISS, but like right.
Speaker 1:But like who? What I'm saying is when you guys Went to KISS concerts, right? You see people Of all ages, oh yeah, right, yeah, oh yeah. It's not a good sign when it's only Old heads and no new heads.
Speaker 3:Because that means yeah, exactly Because that means they're not.
Speaker 1:You know that means you know they didn't reach the other.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, no, that's true, that's true, I guess. Yeah, I'll give you that. You know, because I said just like Queen, queen, great rock, when they played that, was it Live 8? Live 8, yeah, and you know, he's just like damn, that was one of the most famous. I watched that, bro.
Speaker 3:I saw that live happening. I he had that thing rocking man.
Speaker 1:He played the crowd like an instrument.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he did. It was crazy and you could see them all moving.
Speaker 3:They were loving it.
Speaker 2:They were loving it. Listen, like I said, watching it live, like you know, everybody's seeing the movie.
Speaker 3:I should get chills thinking about it right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you've seen the movie, people who've seen you know Bohemian R it live. Well, not there, it was. No, it was on tv, but we watched it. Oh my god, bro, that was insane. Everybody was a queen fan, bro, everybody knew bohemian all those bands that were there?
Speaker 3:yeah, it was people having a boy was freaking great.
Speaker 2:You know, that's what I'm saying. That's only, but you're right. I guess you're right, lou, I don't mean to take that away from anybody that's a platinum records and stuff. But you know big.
Speaker 3:But you know, for those bands, especially even now, I think they still get them. I think, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So yeah, those guys, they welcome that stuff. You know, when you get that, that means that's how many you sold, that's how many people are listening to you, I think I don't know how it sells.
Speaker 2:It sells differently now, I was gonna say now, I was gonna say the same thing now it's different, it doesn't.
Speaker 3:I don't know how that works yeah, you know, and how they they, if they rank it that way anymore yeah, I don't even know, because you know now people could just take other people's music and add their shit to it.
Speaker 2:You know, and so I'm wondering if it's how it works. I'm not sure. Right, I want to say that that sounds familiar, but how many downloads and you know it is for that you get, how many times it's played and there's a like or whatever.
Speaker 3:Yeah, how are we doing out there Instagram?
Speaker 1:Instagram.
Speaker 3:Anything happening. No, Well, I mean we're. We didn't really make an announcement, I think we're going to do this biweekly.
Speaker 1:It's fun, man yeah.
Speaker 3:And we look forward to doing it. It's the next thing. We will make the announcement.
Speaker 2:Yes, we just kind of did it on our personal friends and say yeah, everybody.
Speaker 3:Spread the word. Spread the word the Warriors. Yeah, I was watching the.
Speaker 2:Warriors, warriors. Yeah, even that movie. There was a bunch of songs in that movie that you know that fit, and that was the thing too, though, Remember Movies. Soundtracks yeah, like Forrest Gump had a great soundtrack. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, movies.
Speaker 2:Good.
Speaker 3:Morning Vietnam.
Speaker 2:All that Great movie. That was a way good one.
Speaker 3:All those movies that had that.
Speaker 2:Juice. For me, juice oh the movie. Juice oh dude. To me that's one of the greatest movie soundtracks out there, blues Brothers. You know what I mean, prince, that was a good one, purple Rain yeah. Prince Purple Rain that was a man, yeah, samuel Jackson my boy Eddie and my sister Kendra. They're gonna tell me I'm like you didn't say this one, you didn't say that one yeah, I know we're probably missing a whole bunch.
Speaker 3:You guys need to be participating. Help us out. You guys need to be participating.
Speaker 1:They didn't know so many good soundtracks she's going to get me, she's going to be like all right asshole.
Speaker 2:you should have told me you know what's a good soundtrack?
Speaker 1:Dazed and Confused, that is a great soundtrack.
Speaker 2:A lot of good music. I used to have that freaking soundtrack on CD man Pink.
Speaker 3:Floyd too. Yeah, when he did it off the wall. You know the wall, yeah the wall. He floated the wall.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's great the movie was sick. Yeah. Because the whole soundtrack to that was part of that movie.
Speaker 3:Dude, it's awesome. We were stoned when we went to see it.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, what a dress we wore. Hell yeah, huh, hell yeah, hell yeah.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, I was thinking of that's from Big Daddy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the guy in court, oh yeah. Hell yeah, that's freaking great.
Speaker 3:This is fun man yeah that was cool.
Speaker 2:That was a great one yeah.
Speaker 1:As I said, we're going to end up having to do this topic again, though, because as I said when we let more people know about it. I was behind the screen here.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, tom's behind the scenes this time it's just Kenny and I, but all three of us are still chatting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just you can't see me, that's right, he's invisible, the invisible Jersey guy the invisible.
Speaker 2:Jersey guy Too funny. But yes, thank you all for joining us. I said we're going to repeat the live Yep, so thank you all for being here. Love, peace and hair grease.
Speaker 3:Live long and prosper Greece.
Speaker 1:Live long and prosper and go vegan.
