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Mysteries Beneath: Cryptids, Aliens, and Undiscovered Species of the Deep
What lurks in the vast darkness of our planet's final frontier? Beyond the reach of sunlight, beneath crushing pressure, creatures both magnificent and terrifying have evolved in ways we've barely begun to comprehend.
The ocean's depths hold secrets that make science fiction seem tame by comparison. While we gaze skyward and pour resources into space exploration, we've mapped less of our ocean floor than the surface of Mars. This episode plunges into the abyss, examining eyewitness accounts from naval personnel who've glimpsed unexplainable entities in the deep, including a possible living plesiosaur observed during a submarine mission.
Consider this sobering fact: oceans cover 71% of Earth's surface, yet we've identified only 10% of marine life. Scientists continue to discover hundreds of new species yearly, including the recently documented guitar shark found 200 meters deep off the coast of Mozambique. The Mariana Trench plummets nearly 11,000 meters down, but our best submersibles have reached barely a quarter of that depth. What evolutionary marvels exist beyond our technological reach?
We explore the extraordinary intelligence and otherworldly abilities of octopuses, whose instantaneous color, texture, and pattern changes have military researchers studying them for advanced camouflage technology. Their genetic makeup is so unusual that some scientists have half-seriously suggested extraterrestrial origins. The conversation also examines "whale falls" – massive carcasses that create temporary ecosystems on the ocean floor, drawing creatures from the surrounding darkness.
Ready to have your perspective shifted? Dive into this episode and discover why the greatest unknowns might not be among distant stars, but right here on Earth, beneath the surface of our own oceans.
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Welcome to Cotman Crawford and the Jersey Guy Podcast.
Speaker 2:Hey, welcome everybody. Hey, what's going on.
Speaker 3:So fucking crazy. Yeah, I'm not even looking at it. If you guys could only see how we were just going through. It's just you know.
Speaker 1:I can't believe we're having a good time, Like Dusty we're having a good time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's it. When I get home, I'm going to punch your mama right in the mouth yeah so.
Speaker 4:How long did we go on for?
Speaker 3:Eight minutes. It was eight minutes, but it felt like a fucking eternity, so it was eight minutes but it felt like a fucking eternity. So it was eight minutes.
Speaker 2:So everybody watching. We had a little bit of a boom I hit the wrong button.
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Speaker 1:We're having a good time.
Speaker 2:That was it Having a good time. So with that we're starting over. So now the discussion we were having, we have Justin on the line.
Speaker 1:What's up, Justin?
Speaker 2:How's it going? Everybody that watched before Justin was on with us when we did the Dungeons and Dragons.
Speaker 3:He will be back for that as well, and the conversation we were having was about certain things that live in the ocean that people have sightings of that are just unexplainable.
Speaker 3:But not only recently, but what happened back in the past, in the 1960s, you know, with this gentleman who was on eight years in the Navy. He was on four subs, he was a technician and he actually came up, I believe, with what was involved with the submersible they went down with and when they went down and it was like this thing could go down like 5,000 feet Right, right, and they got down and as they were down there they were trugging along like they were moving slowly along the bottom, and then that's when they caught this thing in the corner of the eye. And then they got close and they said this thing was intelligent, because when they tried to maneuver it would follow it and move with the, with the cast, but not in a way where it was, it wasn't chasing them, it wasn't going to do some damage, and then when it finally left it went over them and just went up.
Speaker 1:And what did you say? This was.
Speaker 3:Placiosaurus, see a sword right, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, yeah, and, and, and the way he described it and the way he put it in the log. Of course he was doubted and people wrote uh, there was a gentleman that wrote a book about it as well, but you know they don't want people talking about that stuff and telling people but listen, if there's us who believe in this stuff and who think strongly that this is absolutely possible there's a lot more yeah, this is absolutely possible.
Speaker 3:There's a lot more yeah, definitely. Then just you know, there's a lot of people that think the same thing, so I don't know what they're worried about, right?
Speaker 2:So Justin, what did you say? It was that the percentage that we discovered?
Speaker 4:Yeah, so 71% of the planet is the ocean and 10% of marine life has been discovered 10%.
Speaker 1:See, that's like an insane number. Yeah, think about that, think about how much we know already. And that's only 10%, right? 10%?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's it Right, and that's only what we believe, that we know, what we believe, we know and what we don't even what we ran into and what people are saying, and obviously these things are.
Speaker 3:if it's only random at times, then these things are smart enough to know to stay out of a certain, to not to become noticed, right, you know? Kind of like the whole big foot theory thing right, you know, anything is so well stealthed that you know, you see it for a second and it's gone. Yeah, kind of thing right.
Speaker 4:There's also the possibility of things that are just incredibly, incredibly rare, right that's true too. You know, maybe there's not a plethora of these things that we don't know about, but maybe there's very, very few. That same program that I was talking about that discovered 860, some species in the last two years. They discovered a new type of guitar shark. They're sharks that are like flat and kind of shaped like a guitar.
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah and they're they're. The group of this species is so small that two-thirds of the entirety of guitar sharks are threatened wow, that's crazy. Yeah, like these are super, super rare, and they just found a new type out in Mozambique.
Speaker 1:And I bet they're only located in, like certain areas of the ocean. Probably yeah. Like you won't find obviously if these things were in say the Pacific, you're not going to find them in the Atlantic Right, and you might not even find them in the Indian Ocean, or the. Arctic, which is going to be colder.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean? Yeah, yep, did they say how far down they found them, justin?
Speaker 4:200 meters down at the depth of Mozambique and Tanzania off of the coast of both of those.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, so you see, so these are things that are just so deep so far down, right, the giant squid, like the giant squid, kraken, yeah, and the kraken.
Speaker 3:I went for the kraken to come back, release the kraken.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's funny, bro. You're stupid, but that's. You know, those are things that you don't hardly ever see. Right, they're giant, I mean what?
Speaker 3:yeah, so I mean, but they finally caught him, they finally caught him on camera and but they think that that's like that was a baby well, they've got, they got a but lately they've been getting him. Now they've been getting, I guess, because the camera's getting bad, the technology's getting better, but they caught it on camera oh, you mean, I thought you meant they caught it like from fishing.
Speaker 2:Oh, they got it on film like they caught the squid On camera. My bad, I misunderstood what you said yeah, oh, no, kidding they finally were able to get it, and these things are huge, man. Yeah, and these things could kill whales, for what I understand, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yup, yup, these things fight for whales.
Speaker 4:There's also this very fun bone theory that some paleontologists talk about. It's more of like a skepticism thing, but the idea is that there are some bones that are so large and unidentified that there's a possibility that some of the bones that we think belong to certain large prehistoric things may actually be really small parts of something much, much larger.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 4:Wow, I mean larger than the dinosaurs Larger than most of the things we know of.
Speaker 3:Oh gotcha. Well, that's pretty scary. So that's kind of like a Godzilla kind of thing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Not necessarily, but the only reason that this has any stability is because that there are some bones that have been found that are so large that they genuinely aren't sure what it belongs to. Right Whoa.
Speaker 2:Now, those are the things.
Speaker 4:They can only skepticize on what it might have been.
Speaker 2:But is that for water creatures or for land creatures? Oh, there's, there's accounts for both. Ooh, wow, that's wild, that's insane man. See, that's insane. Because I mean, so that's insane man, see, that's insane. So everybody's heard of Loch Ness Monster, and they were talking about that because there might be where the Loch Ness Monster might be able to go underwater tunnels and end up in another one of the things that you know fishermen have seen, or you know even the submersibles, and videos and stuff like that may have actually seen them or seen Loch Ness Monster, and that's why they can't, ever, they can't get it all the time in. You know Loch Ness, you know what I mean, right, that they can't get the pictures of it. So then, now again, and something we had said before we always look up, we always try to go to space, going to Mars, going to the moon and all that other stuff, because there's a totally different planet underneath.
Speaker 3:Right, they've got to do that Right and right here. Right.
Speaker 1:On our planet. The movies yeah, we always talk about movies and things.
Speaker 3:But was it the journey to the center of?
Speaker 1:the earth, it's hard to go in there because of the pressure versus space.
Speaker 3:I don't know how that works.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what the thing is is the weight of water.
Speaker 3:Well, there, yeah, that's why these things have to be able to take that kind of pressure, not like the one with the joystick and the thing.
Speaker 1:It's positive pressure, right.
Speaker 2:Well, they just need to stop trying to send people in there, like there's, if you, well, I'm just saying Well, no, I'm saying like, as far as, as people having to be in a submersible, you don't need the cameras are to where we can just turn around, send a camera, you could just say right.
Speaker 3:Well, some people want to go because of the excitement. I people want to go because of the excitement. I get it. Yeah, listen, but if it's a, if the submersible is good, it's made to do what it does, like this particular one he used. He had his hand in it right, designing it, you know, involved in it some way or another, and and and he was somebody who was a navy. He was, he was a technician, so he knew what was needed in order to get that. I think he was the first one. Actually, are they? Were they water flumes? Justin, that's what they call them. I think they discovered water flumes.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, this same gentleman was the one who discovered those. Was it water flumes? Okay, if they come out at the bottom of the ocean? Did you say just kind of push out? Was it like heat?
Speaker 4:Like water flumes. Yeah, no, it Like water flows. Yeah, no, it's water. That's what, like I think, twice the temperature of the water around it, right, it's just pushing up through the bottom.
Speaker 3:You could see it. No shit, yeah, yeah. So he discovered those. He also did Titanic. He was the first one to be able to go down there and do that as well. Yeah, and that was early. Right so you're thinking 1960, I think it was 1968. Okay, was when he well, you know this guy was into what he was doing. He knew what he was doing.
Speaker 2:So you can trust this guy, right, right yeah, he knows what you need to get down in the water.
Speaker 3:Right. So you don guys. But back then that's pretty impressive because, thinking now, the technology we have now, I'm sure these things can go even better. Oh yeah.
Speaker 4:Right, I mean, some of the stuff now is like incredible, there's there's 24 hour live streams dedicated to showing you drone footage.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 4:All right yeah.
Speaker 3:That's cool.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's cool, how far down For anyone that's like super interested in that stuff. Ev Nautilus on YouTube is a channel that is dedicated to showing you highlights from their 24-hour live streams, where they do little delves with their drone and they have marine biologists on the line telling you what they find.
Speaker 2:Whoa, that's insane. I didn't even know that.
Speaker 3:That's pretty cool and what's great about those? You can, like you said, you don't have to be in it in order for you to discover what's underneath there. I guess those who go in there. They have that. They need that rush to go down.
Speaker 2:I guess man.
Speaker 4:There's a sorry, there's another panel. I think I panel, I think I don't believe it's evenautilus, but they have like a basically like a historic record of being the first live streamed discovery of a species right, that's awesome that's insane, because they found something on their stream that's crazy.
Speaker 2:Did they get a good picture of it?
Speaker 4:oh, they had like a full resolution video. I believe it was some type of jellyfish wow see, that's just insane, bro.
Speaker 1:Yes, see, that's how much we don't know that like it's so easy to find. If I don't know I want to say easy, but like you know what I mean like the chances of if you go in like an unknown part of the ocean, that you'll probably find another species that we've never seen before right, because the deeper you go, the different you know species.
Speaker 2:That's there because doesn't the water get warmer again?
Speaker 3:I don't. I don't know how that works. I just only know that you got crushed if you didn't have the right vehicle to go down.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm not sure about what the temperature. I believe it gets colder. I think the only thing that might change that is like methane pockets. But I believe that I believe that the methane pockets and like methane lakes, underwater lakes, I'm pretty sure they're extra cold, okay, I thought it was the other way around, okay, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's wild man it's just so, and and it's, it's dark. There's then how the fish have adapted. You know, like they have, like I guess it's like a glow lure.
Speaker 4:Well, one fish has a lure, Bioluminescence and whatnot yeah all that stuff.
Speaker 2:So you know all the like, the little jellyfish things.
Speaker 4:That's how they park and they get the other fish Right. You know that's how they get that. Yeah, bioluminescence is super interesting. And it's so rare in like both flora and fauna that anytime it comes up it gets like thoroughly studied so that they understand how it works.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it's just crazy and, like we were saying before, you know, like, even with the giant squid, the whales and stuff like that that are that far down, there's no light, and they still find their way around, they know how to find their food. That's their environment, you know yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean it goes to say what about something like the Megalodon? Right, that's the shark who's to say there isn't one, that's. I'm not saying there is, but a lot of people seem to think so because hey, if that this thing slipped through, what else could have gotten? And just is keeping out of this eyesight so that it doesn't bring detention to itself.
Speaker 1:You know it would be crazy, right, if there was like they thought that like a fossil of a megalodon, like they thought it was older than it was, but it wasn't as old as they thought it was.
Speaker 2:It was actually a couple hundred years old.
Speaker 4:So what you're?
Speaker 2:saying is yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:And that kind of supports the bone theory again. Yeah, right exactly like you know, like megalodon does have the potential to be something that's real because, you know, maybe there are some whale bones that have been improperly identified as whale bones right right, because they really don't know until they actually have their hands on it.
Speaker 3:I mean, I did. Don't they already have, um in some museums, bones of the megalodon?
Speaker 4:With the teeth, I think With the teeth Right or things similar, right where they'll find a rib cage or something.
Speaker 3:Not a full skeleton.
Speaker 4:This belonged to a fish.
Speaker 3:Right, a very large yeah, and the teeth are like huge yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because what is it? What's the trench? The deepest, mariana Trench. Yeah, so like even we can't, still even with you know the little bit of technology that we have, that's where the drone's coming, but that's the thing. They can't even go down that far because they implode that deep Right.
Speaker 4:You have it coming up with something that's capable, right, so that drone submersible found those new sharks at 200 meters down. Right, right, the Mariana Trench goes 10,900 meters down. Wow, you see, okay.
Speaker 2:Yep, so they haven't even been able to get down that far to see what else is down there.
Speaker 3:What's the farthest that we have gone down, though what does a normal sub go down?
Speaker 4:Yeah, let's find out. I don't know either.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not sure how far down a regular sub goes. You know, I'm just thinking like in there it, there could be a whole other world, literally.
Speaker 4:you know, oh, absolutely, they could be like okay, so 10,000, 900 and something feet was the Mariana Trench In 2019, they got a submersible down the Mariana Trench to 2,928. So it was just a few meters short, wow.
Speaker 3:That's impressive. Yeah, of the bottom. Yeah, that's impressive, man. Yeah, we've gotten to that where we're at. So maybe we do have the technology or we're getting close to it, to where we're capable of doing it. Yeah, we've gotten to that where we're. So maybe we do have the technology or we're getting close to it, to where we're capable of doing it.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, they just didn't have enough cable because it's just submersible.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but that took years for them to build and they stress tested it to its absolute max and not that low. Exactly yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 3:So the same kind of process. They would do with the rover on Mars and everything Right, as they would do with the rover on Mars and everything Right, right. They have to do all that to make sure this thing is as rugged as possible and it's going to survive the elements.
Speaker 4:You know what the thing is too, though I would say that things like that, like our technology has gotten us that deep, the things that could exist at lower pressures than that, like that is merit, for, like you were saying before, like what, if there is alien shit in the?
Speaker 3:bottom. She's picking my brain yeah exactly. There are people that say that of course you know, you see these things online and whatever, whatever you know, but they would say, yeah, there is, they've. Who knows how long they've been using the water, for how long they've been doing it, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what Tom was saying. Tom has said that a long time ago. Well, a few episodes back, because we're talking about underwater.
Speaker 3:Because you can't see it, but we don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, he was talking about underwater cities and stuff. You know that we just can't get to. You don't know that it's there, you know? Yeah, that'd be insane to turn around and end up stumbling on it, you know right. Well, what about that?
Speaker 3:one story I was telling you where, uh, what lurks beneath? I'll try to get all everything through this gentleman he was a russian gentleman, I forgot what country he was in, and he was also in the military submarine or whatever, and he was going out as a hobby, to go out, and he weighted himself down and he walked into the water and he went. He found this like a tube, like almost like a like a torpedo kind of thing, right, and he tried to pull it out of his truck but he couldn't move it. So he was like, oh fuck this, I'm going down there. And he took a drill with him and he drilled into this thing. This is the story, right. And then this like material came out, like this like gel or whatever, and the next thing, you know, this like being was living in and he happened to drill into that by putting the drill and they happened to drill into this being, and then one thing led to another, and this thing grabbed his arm and cut him and had like sharp you know, these are
Speaker 3:stories that people told. Yeah, but they swear to it and they found this guy, uh, this truck running, because he was down in the water and his truck was running. They went down and they saw him floating in the water and they pulled him out and he had cuts on his wrists and everything right, trying to grab him everything, yeah. So who knows what the hell is that? What? Why would that thing need to? A tube, not like a shell, right or cocoon? So if it's a tube, it came from somewhere else and it was down there because it wasn't ready to come out yet. It was still working, it was still doing whatever it was doing, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, jeez, I'm just trying to figure out. It was left.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know, I think.
Speaker 3:I love that shit, man, because it's just know no, yeah, you don't know.
Speaker 2:And you know if that was only a piece of what the rest of the the tube was. You know what I'm saying. Like that might have been just a little part and it maybe went deeper or was under the sand, you know, on the silt oh yeah, maybe it was part of a larger vehicle or a vessel of some sort.
Speaker 2:Right, that thing just happened to be like right there stopping him, like it wasn't probably right there, like he probably didn't drill through it. No, he did, he drilled, he drilled into it. So I'm thinking. He drilled into it, finally broke through Right and then.
Speaker 3:It was at least a four inch the way they said.
Speaker 2:Four or six inch drill bit that he had on there Right then, as he did it, it might've come out from it, might've come out from another doorway. No, I think it just busted the structure of it.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, I think it's somehow, and I think just because that gel came out first and then everything came from that supposedly.
Speaker 2:and then it broke out Well, always gotta touch shit. Stop, stop, don't Well people that's how we've discovered stuff man.
Speaker 3:These people are brave though large oceans or bodies of water and you're going down to you know and you don't know what you're going to find.
Speaker 3:You know what you're going to run into. That's insane man, you know. And hopefully, if you do run into anything, it's it's kind of like not aggressive and it's not going to do anything to you and kind of be more as curious about you as you are about them, Right, right, so they grab it, grabs your hand and makes you bleed and bleed, and then they find you on the shoreline freaking, mumbling shit. We got to put his ass in the booby hatch.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that shit is insane bro.
Speaker 3:And I think the alien thing is also an absolute possibility, because you don't know, we don't know what's in the water, even as far as the Navy can go. And what if there is something that they already know about down there? Yeah, and what if there is something that they already know about down there and we don't know about?
Speaker 2:it. They're not telling anybody.
Speaker 3:I'm a firm believer of that that's why we talk about this stuff because it's interesting, that's just bananas do you think that?
Speaker 4:I was going to say that it's also interesting that there's stuff that we do know but don't fully understand yet right all day with, with, with the wildlife in in the ocean you know there's. There's so many studies on the bioluminescence stuff and the algae, uh, trying to understand how it works and how it can actually be like replicated yeah and and, as far as that goes to octopuses.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 4:No, for as long as we can remember, and we still don't understand how they work.
Speaker 3:Well, isn't the theory? Also they say, justin, that they come from another planet cause they're not from here. Is that? Is that?
Speaker 4:yeah, it's so unexplainable, that it it does feel and seem incredibly alien. That's crazy. There's military research that funds Cornell University to try and understand and develop camouflage that mimics what an octopus can do with its skin. Wow.
Speaker 1:Whoa, I know. You see those videos of the octopuses how they camouflage it's like it's, it's it. It makes chameleons look like they barely do it right yeah, they're like the chameleon of the water, yeah yeah but like chameleon, but it's so unexplored like we understand what chameleons do.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we don't understand how octopuses do what they do so rapidly.
Speaker 1:Right, they do it rapidly, but they also mimic texture.
Speaker 4:Right, right, and that's the key thing, it's not just color over time. It's immediate change of color, texture and also print Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's bananas, dude, Like you're right it is. That's insane. I didn't know the army was studying it like that. That's insane. I didn't know the army was studying it like that. That's crazy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean of course, though right you know, imagine a world where a battle uniform could change on the fly.
Speaker 3:Right, that would be pretty impressive.
Speaker 1:You know, they're incredibly smart. I was just watching a video. Someone had like a pet octopus in a tank and like they would give him different challenges and put different things and he's like I can get into anything. He's like I put jar in there, I put this in there.
Speaker 1:He can just get anything get out of it too by the way yeah, yeah, but, and like they would purposely put his food in jars to watch him open it and stuff like that. Right, but they said he like being held and stuff he'd take him out. Like they take him out and hold him for a little bit and put him back in a water like he was. Like that's high intelligence, like fish, don't do that.
Speaker 4:Like fucking get away from you. Know what I?
Speaker 3:mean, but this guy's like oh, take me out, hold me. You know it's weird, geez, that's bananas it's definitely an incredible life form, for sure, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah hell yeah, that is just so wild. I said I didn't even know half that stuff about that Like with the, just how they changed so fast. I've seen them change quick but I thought you know I'm always thinking like you know what I mean. Like when they recorded it and they just fast forwarded, just for so whatever they go into, whatever it is that they meld with.
Speaker 3:In a sense, you literally, if you don't see it happen and them doing it, you probably wouldn't be able to pick it out after the fact. So in other words, if you didn't see them doing it, you wouldn't know where they were and be able to figure out. It would take you a while to figure it out it fools their predators right, that's how their defense system works so them even finding their own food.
Speaker 2:The, the camouflage, like that you won't see them coming.
Speaker 4:Like seriously, you wouldn't see them coming there's also the whole thing where it's like we know, right, we found stuff, I guess higher depth, that is like so evasive and so camouflaged and so so fast that if we were to apply that to the depths like the ocean floor, if there's anything down there that has those kinds of properties, we're never going to find it. It's pitch black, and then they also have camouflage, and then they're also that fast or have the potential to be that fast and they may even have it's kind of like Murphy's Law of Fish, right, yeah yeah, right, and they probably have the night vision for fish too, so they can see wherever the hell they're going.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Right, they can see them way before we see, or they?
Speaker 3:can see us way before we see them.
Speaker 4:Yeah, kind of like an owl does at night Any combination, yeah Right, any combination of those genes in fish that we already know could exist in genes of fish that we've never seen and might not ever get in genes of fish that we've never seen and might not ever get Right.
Speaker 2:Well, tell me if I'm wrong. I know that they've been finding a new species of like birds and other fish and stuff like that in the bayou, like in the swamps and stuff because they're actually going in there. That's absolutely correct.
Speaker 4:There was also a bunch of studies that were done in 2020, pretty much as soon as lockdown started. Some biologists began going out and searching and there was like there's a new type of feline on Amazon that got discovered. There was something that was thought to be extinct for like 25 years Another type of feline that got rediscovered and is still alive.
Speaker 2:See, that's insane man.
Speaker 3:I love when that happens when they think something's gone Right and then they find it.
Speaker 2:Oh I guess it's not, but now think of how many things that we even still with us and how humans we're spreading out and we've taken out so much of the Amazon jungle and just forest and whatnot, and there's still things that we're discovering, still things that we're finding brand new. You know what I'm saying. It's like, dude, you can only imagine what's literally underwater. I mean, if we're finding things on land and then, like you already said, justin, you know things that they find you know and trying to study with the octopus and the bioluminescence Dude, it's like the idea Well, that's going to be all study for, like military stuff.
Speaker 3:I mean, I'm sure there'd be some. You could probably get a lot of good stuff out of that too, as far as medical and things like that. Who knows what those species can do for that purpose too.
Speaker 2:I know that, because you can cut off a starfish a starfish or tentacle at least that's the that theory. You might know that it can grow back. You know that's spider-man that's a credible hook too, yep right yeah, I know that.
Speaker 4:I know that there's uh, I don't remember what animal it comes from, but medical glue. Medical glue was developed from something.
Speaker 2:That's right, oh right yeah, I forgot what that was. I don't know, I just used.
Speaker 2:I can't remember what it's yeah, just like, yeah, I'll shut, I gotta put the glue on and I'm good. But yeah, you're right, bro, I don't remember what that's from. Sorry that that's. I can't remember what I know, but still I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's just crazy, man, you know how much, how many things that we use or try to come up with medically, you know, or even an industry that mimic, you know, animals, mammals, fish, you know just said this where we can go in, hopefully live a little bit longer. You know what I'm saying. It's crazy, you know, and I'll tell you what. Man, listen, I don't know if I want to get a little bit of DNA from one of the other animals because I want to be a cyborg, but you know it's one of those things. But you know, I mean you're looking at cancer cures. You know what I'm saying. You're looking at being able to help somebody who, you know, loses a limb. That would be insane To be able to grow it back. To be able to grow it back. You know what I'm saying. That would be crazy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's, but it's not saying that they couldn't do that at some point in the future. Oh, yeah, if it's for good things and not, but, not. But you know that the you know the pot was that deep, right, right, but we're going to have the hands in it for other things as well. Exactly, I mean, you know they already do it to dogs, right? You know, they put titanium teeth in German serpents.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah you know it's.
Speaker 3:They have these. You ever see the training videos of the puppies and going in and they just you ever? You see those justin for? Yeah, I have for the military. It's amazing. Yeah, these dogs are, like it's super trained. I mean, yeah, just unbelievable how they get them combat ready and everything it's, just it's me, that's what I'm saying, so they're able to do that.
Speaker 3:You know who knows what they right, you know, and it's not only united states, of course, when we say go to the world, yeah anyway, but people do that. We're not the on you know government in the world that's going to test or do things. On on you know, discover things, and.
Speaker 2:Well, even private owners have done that. You know they'll turn around and take out the, the regular canine, from an animal. You know cats.
Speaker 3:I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, implants, so they can. You know they can fight the dogs and whatnot. And you know, on chickens, when they do the cockfights they put the, they'll put on their extra claw, they'll make them. You know metal, yeah, or you know whatever. So this would be like when they fight, they'll be able to dig deeper into their, you know. Cockfights with a switchblade. Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much. That's crazy, it is crazy.
Speaker 3:Justin, how, when you okay, I'll finish up with the what.
Speaker 4:I was going to say back to back to that investigating and medical research in like animals in general, I did find a couple of things that I thought were of note. Dogs were used in the discovery of insulin, monkeys were used to develop the polio vaccine that I knew, and mice were used to develop the rabies vaccine.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 4:Also, pigs were used to develop skin grafting for burn victims. That.
Speaker 3:I knew too. Yeah, because it's like the closest skin to a human being, supposedly is skin. Yeah, and this is right up tom's alley because you know he's the. Uh, I know we're just talking. I'm saying but it's just funny that it's coming up and how some good things come out, but at the same time it's unfortunate for the animals that they're doing this shit too.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean. Yeah, that is an interesting ethical question for you yeah about like what? How? I mean you know whether how do you balance?
Speaker 1:that kind of greater good for you yeah, it's. It's always a tricky one because, like what's the right answer right there?
Speaker 3:really, isn't really no right answer right, you're kind of like stuck in the limbo. In a sense it's a dilemma.
Speaker 1:Yeah, isn't that what a definition of a dilemma is? Yes, for sure.
Speaker 2:Well, so look, so when you turn around and you grow a body part, so like they grew ears in on the back of rats Right, you know what I'm saying To turn around, and then you're not really hurting the rat.
Speaker 4:You're using just the shape, yeah I mean like it's, there's so much to it, though. You know what I mean. Like no, there is there. It's tough. It's hard when you have to contest with something like the discovery of insulin right right, right you know what, how do we even begin to approach that conversation?
Speaker 2:right exactly right, right, yeah it Right. So then, how would you? So then now us looking at these animals. You know underwater species, you know we're going down there.
Speaker 3:Do we really go down there and You're not going to get any of these things?
Speaker 2:There's no way, Dude you can't, you don't have the technology to even get down in the first.
Speaker 3:You can't even see them. First of all, they have the advantage on you. Even if you've got the most powerful LED light to go down there, you don't have the advantage. You do not have the advantage when you're down there.
Speaker 2:So now, when they find the bone, though, and they bring the bone back and they do DNA check on it you know what I'm saying and they find you know things in there like, oh my God, this could be for this. They can this could be.
Speaker 2:Oh, I see what you're saying you know, what I'm saying I thought you were talking about, like them, actually capturing. Oh, no, no, I know we wouldn't be. No, no, I'm with you, we wouldn't be able to catch anything. You know, it's just you know, but it's remnants found. I guess we'll call it the whale graveyard, right, you know how they have an elephant graveyard.
Speaker 3:They go to a certain spot and then they die.
Speaker 2:They haven't been able to find the whales right Because they go down so deep I don't know. That's a good question.
Speaker 4:Right, well, so that's actually. It's a big thing that they use in marine biology. It's called whale falls, and it's when carcasses finally hit the ocean floor. They love sending drones to those to just sit there and watch them for weeks, because it's a huge time for activity down at the ocean floor. So many things come around for whale falls?
Speaker 1:Oh, because they eat, it right yeah.
Speaker 3:And it's to the smallest microdome. You know, it's just crazy shit. It's like imagine it's to the smallest micro.
Speaker 4:You know, it's just, it's like imagine it's the desert and then suddenly, in a way, it just popped up right, right, everything's gonna be like food, yeah.
Speaker 3:So whatever's done, eating off of one and finishing it off.
Speaker 4:Now something else comes in and gets the bones and then also the things that prey on those things.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's, true, it's a cycle.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Kuna Matata. Yeah, so anytime they find a whale fall, they send a drone to sit there and watch it, and they usually send another drone to go look around the whole area.
Speaker 3:See what is crawling in their ways, and that's probably another way too, to identify species you probably didn't even see before. Depending on what it could be, something out of the blue and show up and be like what the fuck is that?
Speaker 4:Yeah, the key things they target are, you know, food Right. If there's a source of nutrients at the floor nutrients at the floor.
Speaker 3:They're gonna stay by until something comes around which makes sense. That's a good way to discover something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, get it on film.
Speaker 1:They don't know, maybe they do I don't know, but anything that's a resource down there, they try and stay around it wouldn't it be interesting if they found a species that only relies on fall from other animals, like whales, dolphins or fish, and like they stay dormant, like they, like, they, almost like, go into a stasis, and they could stay that way for hundreds of years until a fall comes and then they wake up and eat the fall and then they go back into a stasis. Dude, that'd be so like insane, because I mean that would be an interesting species.
Speaker 1:Sci-fi too man and theoretically, you know, as a means of survival, they evolved to be that way, they don't get a lot of nutrients. They're trapped there at the bottom of the ocean floor and just like stay petrified almost until like they sense like something nearby and they can wake up and eat it.
Speaker 2:I just came up with that right now.
Speaker 3:Sounds like something from Gladiator telling about the serpent Right.
Speaker 4:There's plenty of things that do things similar to that Murphy's Law. There could be a fish version of that.
Speaker 1:And just stretch out the time length a little bit, right.
Speaker 2:Don't they have those tube worms, that they sit pretty much near methane gases and any of the you know any little microbes that come through little fish or whatever they eat them, you know, because they're nibbling on them, the crabs and such, and they sit there and they're dormant until something comes in there, and then they grab it, but even something like.
Speaker 1:I was yeah, Go ahead. Sorry, I don't want to cut you off I was thinking sand trap spiders.
Speaker 4:Right, I was thinking those really flat fish that mimic the ocean floor and they just sit on it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Right, and they just wait.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and their heads are sideways, so they're always looking up. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But I was also thinking something like like I remember hearing, like I remember like when I remember like the 2000s, like there was like research is like bed bugs remember, right, bed bugs and like hotels a bit. You know all this talk about and like, but the thing is you can't starve them out, like right it's really hard to starve them out you have to like you can freeze them out because they don't do well, but you can't be like, oh, just leave the room for several months.
Speaker 3:They'll just no, no, yeah you gotta. I think the freeze is the only way you can do it with them, because I don't think heat makes it worse, right? No, heat kills them.
Speaker 1:Well, it's gotta be like heat, but also freezing them out too.
Speaker 4:Yeah like burn the house down. Who's got the gasoline?
Speaker 1:No, but they do freeze out easily, like they say. Like if, like, you have like a mattress with bed bugs or something like that, they say, if it's like winter, you can stick it outside and kill them. Right, oh shit, okay, but like for several hours.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'll leave it out there a week Dude the whole fucking winter.
Speaker 2:What are you talking about? Get him in trouble with fire.
Speaker 3:How cold is it this week? Yeah, later for that shit. Five below that shit should work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude everything. Yeah, it's just. It's again like Tom, like you're saying, if we find those out, you know, on land Right, they gotta exist in water.
Speaker 3:They gotta exist in water have to because we have no clue. We haven't, haven't touched it. Yeah, an inkling, really, to know what's going on down there. For sure you know what I mean and yeah, we probably won't know why we might find out some more stuff before the end of our time on this planet yeah and I'm sure there'll be some other stuff that you know.
Speaker 2:Eventually things will pop inside out and say hey, like what was the name of the trench? Again, justin, the deepest trench, mariana Trench, mariana Trench. So that's where they threw Megatron you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I know he's down there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you know what I'm saying I'm just going, he's there you know, I mean they, I'm just saying, bro, you know, you never know who and what's down there, bro, it's just, it's crazy. It's just crazy. And I almost wonder how much of like the sci-fi movies and stuff that we see because we always make fun, you know, like South Park and the Simpsons, how they pretty much and even a lot of movies, how they almost seem like they're predicting the future, yeah, yeah yeah, so now, and all these sci-fi movies and stuff.
Speaker 2:All our lives have been like that it's probably just real, you know, and that they're taking what you know eyewitness accounts you know stories.
Speaker 3:I think it's just part of our DNA, because they say we're made up of the universe already. Right, when did we come from? So maybe we still have memories of whatever it was, and that's where all these ideas and stuff are coming from.
Speaker 4:You know and you're just making the sci-fi out of it. Yeah, that's the dragon theory.
Speaker 2:Why is there so many depictions of dragons across multiple areas and multiple different periods in history, but because what they said, that it was, I've heard the one theory because the dragons really were here, right, and they're just, you know know, different looking ones, so like alligators and crocodiles, you know same thing just a little bit different and they're, you know, bigger and yep, komodo dragon, the komodo dragons, yeah and that looks like an alligator.
Speaker 3:what about those old school paintings? You see from back in the day, from like whalers and you know people and you got these crazy octopuses and stuff.
Speaker 1:They're saying that's possible, that these things were the round these things are accurate and this is what was going on, you know, and and like same thing in like Asian cultures, with the dragons and stuff like that, who's to say Chinese and Japanese, both that's right, but they said that they found, didn't they?
Speaker 2:Justin, did you see that, that they had seen? There was depictions of it over here with the Native Americans, Like I mean, like not just in Asia, like there was some on this side of the planet, on North America, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah that's all part of the. That's all part of like the dragon argument the theory. Right, well, it's not the same with the so many depictions of a flying lizard across so many places Right, it's true.
Speaker 3:It's true, and they all look different. They all have their own style.
Speaker 4:Same thing with the, but they all carry the same trait, right, exactly.
Speaker 1:Do they all breathe fire, or is that something I?
Speaker 3:think that was a myth. Do you think that was added? I think that was.
Speaker 4:That's mostly old English folk.
Speaker 2:Right, that's what I'm figuring, yeah.
Speaker 3:But you could use Bigfoot for this theory too, because of a little snowman Right, it's the same thing, right? Only with a closer, older climate.
Speaker 1:Or could it have been something that did live not long ago and became extinct not long?
Speaker 2:ago.
Speaker 1:Right, like you know what I mean, like they were hunted by, because I mean look at the fucking buffalo, the piles of bones and pictures of that. You humans are fucking terrible in that aspect. We are so bad, well like maybe like because it was such a prized thing, like people like you know maybe, like a thousand years ago, killed all the dragons off.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:They were killing first, so in the beginning I guess we'll say like that In the beginning everybody was killing for food and clothing I get it and warmth, and then you know, once the population starts to get, you know bigger, then we start to take a little bit more.
Speaker 2:And you know all that other stuff Because you know, like you said, polar bear, you know regular grizzly bears, black bear, Everything is for their environment, so, depending on where it comes from, what is it? Is it the saber, not the saber? Tooth, the um tigers? No, the, oh my goodness. Saber tooth tiger? No, no, I'm sorry, not even tiger, oh my God, elephant, the tusks, the tusks are supposed to grind them down A woolly mammoth, that you know, right, war verses.
Speaker 2:Then you know the ivory, the ivory and all that other stuff you know, for they did that with whales too, for oil, right, exactly so that you know. But it was to, it was supposed to be just enough for us to survive, right? Not for us. It's just that nifty ass cycle.
Speaker 3:Well, people like the American Indians, or what do you call it? Eskimos, Eskimos, Thank you From you. Know all those different things from all around the world right.
Speaker 3:If they all had the same idea they use the animal, they use everything of the animal, right, they respected the animal because that was the way they you know they looked at it. You know they knew it was something from Mother Earth, you know they, if that was the mentality, they were doing everything the way it should be done, naturally for that time, right, right. So then of course you eventually hope you move from away from that, but but still they did it in the way in the fields with the skin, just skin to death.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and they didn't do nothing else with the buffalo. Yeah, I mean that's, that's ridiculous that's stupid. Yeah, you know, and I get it killing's killing. But if one is doing one way and learning from what is giving to them, then they're saying, hey, mother's earth is providing for us, she's our mother, she's taking care of us. That's the mentality I would assume. It's a totally different way of thinking versus a guy who just wants to make money off skin.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, definitely yeah definitely. Well with that.
Speaker 3:Right. We are out of time.
Speaker 1:Yes, Justin, thanks for being on with us man, we would love to have you here with us Always, but we'll be doing more. Hope to see you back soon, once you're feeling better.
Speaker 4:Yes, yeah, as soon as I'm mobile again, I have everything ready to go. I'm going to have to bring an iPad and a laptop, but we're going to have a good time.
Speaker 2:Nice, definitely. That's what I'm waiting for, looking forward to it, yes. So again, thank you, justin. So love peace and egris, live long and prosper. Stay weird, holler.
