Jersey’s Clinton Road, the Wendigo’s warning, and black-eyed kids converge in a fast-moving tour of urban legends that blur folklore and fear;

Streetlights fade, the woods lean in, and a pickup looms in your mirror—until you realize the “phantom truck” might just be a local with places to be. We dive into urban legends where skepticism and goosebumps can actually be friends, threading together Clinton Road’s layered myths, a chilling Iceman true-crime moment, and the way a single stretch of asphalt can collect ghosts, rituals, and time-slip stories like fallen leaves.

From there, we follow how legends migrate and mutate. The Wendigo isn’t just nightmare fuel; it’s a moral compass against greed and inhumanity. Black‑eyed children knock with polite voices and wrong vibes, turning consent into a trap at your own threshold. The Michigan Dogman sprints out of radio folklore into “sightings,” while Mothman rides the thermals over an old TNT plant—proof that abandoned industry and media headlines are perfect weather for myth-making. We trade field notes on personal night terrors and optical tricks like Gravity Hill, where “uphill” is only an illusion and the brain writes its own horror short.

We also cross water. Puerto Rico’s forts hold cold air and heavy history inside stone walls, where a whispered “you can move on” feels as practical as a prayer. La Llorona shares DNA with the lady in white, and the Chupacabra walks a route from island rumor to ranch country debate, picking up conspiracies about labs, hybrids, and livestock along the way. Some stories we gently debunk; others we let breathe. The throughline is why these tales endure: they shape behavior, mark danger, carry culture, and make October feel like a shared stage where fear can be explored safely and together.

If you’re into folklore, true crime Easter eggs, roadside mysteries, and the psychology of why we see what we fear, hit play. Then tell us your hometown legend, the one you still won’t test after midnight. Subscribe, leave a quick review, and share this with the friend who always says “one more scary story”—we’re saving them a seat by the campfire.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Kicking Off The Urban Legends Tour
• 1:36 Bloody Mary, Beetlejuice, Rule Of Three
• 2:28 Clinton Road’s Myths And Realities
• 5:17 Dead Man’s Curve And Phantom Truck
• 8:11 Ruins, Rituals, And Jungle Habitat
• 11:01 Time Warps, UFOs, And Missing Hours
• 11:31 Wendigo: Monster And Moral Warning
• 15:12 Black‑Eyed Children At The Door
• 19:33 Night Ride Encounter And Instinct
• 23:12 Michigan Dogman And Northern Spirits
• 26:45 La Llorona, Chupacabra, And Puerto Rico
• 31:12 Forts, Cold Spots, And Sentry Boxes
• 35:24 Men In Black And Hidden Bases
• 38:45 Jersey’s Devil’s Tower And Gravity Hill
• 42:20 Midgetville, Myths, And Misunderstandings

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:06

Welcome to CC and the NJ guy.

SPEAKER_03: 0:09

Haller.

SPEAKER_01: 0:10

How are you doing? What's going on, fellas? So we are back again talking the third part of our Halloween series.

SPEAKER_00: 0:21

Yeah, same more series. Third part.

SPEAKER_01: 0:24

The third installment of our five, five part two. Sorry, it was that promo. That silly promo video I did. Yes. No, but yeah, so it's gonna be the third part. We are gonna be talking about urban legends.

SPEAKER_02: 0:39

Urban legends. Yes. So we got PA. Now you're doing Jersey Legends. Yeah. You're doing New York Legends. Yeah, North. And I'm doing uh a couple that we saw from PR. Well, we were looking up with Puerto Rico. All right. So yeah. But the funny, you know what's funny is that like with mine, there's a couple. So I'm gonna say, because you guys have read up on some of the ones that you have, right? I I find that some of them cross cross over to different places. You know, like some like the witches, like the set with Bigfoot. I mean, I'm sorry, I said witches in it. Like Bigfoot, Bigfoot, you know, you see Bigfoot. Alaska to Sasquash to what's the first one?

SPEAKER_00: 1:15

What do they call what is that? They actually have like a technical term for that now. Like monsterology or something like that. Oh, that's right. Yes, I did forget about that. That's right. I did hear that. Or it's like necrology or something.

SPEAKER_02: 1:28

Something like that. Yeah, there's like a word for it. But that's what it is. So a lot of them cross over. So we're gonna probably see a few. Because I didn't let you guys see mine. I didn't see the ones that you had, but I didn't see the one that you had.

SPEAKER_01: 1:36

But uh, I figured I'd start with one that's before that that covers is just general, that covers for everything. It's like so when people think of urban legends, like the most classic one would be the Bloody Mary. You know, you say three times Mary Bloody Mary, Mary Bloody Mary.

SPEAKER_00: 1:49

Ah, see Mary. It's always three, like Candyman. Candyman, candy. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:57

But isn't three supposed to be good enough?

SPEAKER_01: 1:59

Threefold? I thought three was good enough stuff. We just have Bloody Mary, we got Candyman and Beetlejuice are all coming here now.

SPEAKER_02: 2:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 2:07

Oh man.

SPEAKER_02: 2:07

Wonderful. Thanks. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Appreciate that. Well, you know, but Beetlejuice is gonna cancel out because Beetlejuice is the funny guy. You know, he's a he's a mashugana, but he's still he's a lot more than machinut, though. I'm trying to make you feel better. That's great. You gotta keep an eye on it. That is great. You know what I mean? So yeah, which one's where you go, do the. You want me to go?

SPEAKER_01: 2:28

Okay, so so in New Jersey, you got by me, actually. This is only like five miles from my house. This is an urban legend. It's called Clinton Road. Really? Clinton Road. So it's it's a creepy road. It's it goes all the way from West Milford, it drives through the you know, miles of state forest uh to Greenwood Lake, New York. So it goes from like 23 to like Greenwood Lake. Okay. But back in the day, you would go to a certain point, and it was just the pavement stopped, and it was like a dirt road. And, you know, just where the area is, it's dark, there's no street lights, you're just in the middle of the woods, so that looks creepy, and like, you know, it was always like, oh, you don't want to go to the end, or it's like go to the end, you know, just in Cruid Lake. Right, right. So it was never a big deal. But like there's a lot of urban legends tied to that road. So it's like one urban legend with several around it. So one of them is called Dead Man's Curve.

SPEAKER_02: 3:25

Dead Man's Curve.

SPEAKER_01: 3:26

So Dead Man's Curve was on Clinton Road, so like the it's like this 90-degree turn on on Clinton Road, right? And there's like a bridge there. So supposedly you throw the bridge throw a coin that like there was a kid that died, you know, got hit at that kit at that curve who was standing there or whatever, supposedly the urban legend, and like the kid will like throw the coin back.

SPEAKER_02: 3:50

Stop! You see, bro, no, I'm good. Fuck that. I'm sorry, bro. Throw the coin back, really? We've had that conversation before, and I'm not doing that shit. I'm not doing that one. There was one that they had done in a ghost show, only because you're talking about a kid, that they had you would park your car on the train tracks, and if you put like powder or whatever, flour on the trunk of your car because a school bus had gotten hit by the train, and then you would see the little prints of the kid's hands, the ghost, and they would push the car. Your car would start to roll forward. They did it on I look, I laugh when I sound like, yeah, you're full of shit, whatever. When I watched the show, I was like, oh and you could just see. I mean, yeah, I'm sure you know. But it's one of those things is this is pretty extreme, right?

SPEAKER_04: 4:31

That's like, really? You're gonna take a car and put it on the track, yes, and then throw some powder on it to hope that somebody leakes.

SPEAKER_01: 4:37

Ghost hunters, ghost hunters. That's the shit that they do. But um, but yeah, Clinton Road. So there's another urban legend tied to that too, and that's the phantom truck, right? What? So, like, there's always, and it's so funny because I live in the area now and I know what it is. So, like, if you go there, you'll supposedly get like chased by like out of nowhere, like a pickup truck will follow you and like tailgate you and chase you out of there. And every time I've gone, that has happened to me as a kid. Shut the front door. But now I go in the area and I know exactly what it is. Everybody in the fucking area is it's in the woods. People, everybody has pickup trucks back there. And if you're going too slow, you're pissing off the locals and they tailgate you to get the fuck the hell away. So that's what it is. But everybody's like, oh my god, there's this pickup truck that chases you.

SPEAKER_02: 5:23

That's fucking hilarious, man. Yo, myth busted or legend busted.

SPEAKER_01: 5:29

I just know from living in the area now. Because I didn't I didn't grow up in that area.

SPEAKER_02: 5:33

Right, now you know. Oh my god, dude, that is insane. Yes, sir. That is too strange.

SPEAKER_01: 5:39

There's also there's also the ruins of a 1905 mansion built by Richard Cross, deep in the middle of the Clinton Road, right? It was burned down in 1999, only stone ruins remain. Uh said to be a hot spot for like satanic rituals and cult activity. I remember hearing that too. Like that there's so many things with Clinton Road that are tied. It's like I remember driving through there, and people would be like, Yeah, there's there's like devil worshippers, you know, but during the whole like 80s satanic panic. It's like, oh yeah, it's like, oh, there's you know, uh devil worshippers in the woods, there's cult people, because there's like this like kind of just like there's like this old there's like there's like the ruins of like the mansion is still there from 1919 because it's like stone and shit. So like people think it's like you know, because it looks creepy shit.

SPEAKER_00: 6:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've never seen it, but I'm sure like people you can go hiking up there, you probably see you know, bro.

SPEAKER_02: 6:29

I don't know, but again, you really want to go and yeah, because they say your vibe, man. So if you go up there to go hiking, they say that your vibe, your your your your fear, whatever, is what brings those ghosts or that you know the the It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01: 6:41

I know I still have more shit tied to this road. Listen, that's insane. So listen, so there's some real stuff too, but this is another one. So like people claim to see, like, as we were talking, like creatures, bizarre creatures like hellhounds or monkeys. Yes, hellhounds. And like, but people say this comes partly from the nearby jungle habitat. So in the 70s in West Milford, not far from there, was a place called jungle habitat. It was a drive-thru safari. It only lasted a few years, but they were trying to do like a sex flags type thing, and they closed it. But supposedly, like a lot of animals got loose or whatever. So people so those urban legends probably come from when those animals got loose. The animals probably are still there, bro. I don't I mean, I don't know if monkeys can survive the winter, though.

SPEAKER_04: 7:24

That's they're probably you know what, they're probably they're probably they're definitely smart enough to be wolves to uh shit like that.

SPEAKER_02: 7:31

But let me ask you the question though. If it's the monkeys that have gotten away. They know they need to get someplace that's warm or keep warm. So then that what if they evolved, I guess would be the word, right? Because they've now they've grown and changed, so now they're different. So like before they were like, you know, hot warm weather creatures. Well, yeah. So that then they adapt their hot both. So if they get a little bit bigger, so that then they're not two feet tall, now they're three or four feet tall. Right. Now they're hairier, you know, a little bit stockier. Yeah, yeah. That'll be something else that people will see. Probably. Yeah, that's craziness right there. So that's other stuff. But and then I thought Dead Man's Curve was out California, because that was the Beach Boy song.

SPEAKER_01: 8:11

Well, they have that, well, this is the East Coast Dead Man's Curve. Okay, I rode you that. All right. That makes sense now. All right. But there's an so now there's some real life shit. This is where it gets crazy. Okay, okay. So like you have So in 1983, a bicyclist found like a dead body in like a garbage bag there. On on Clinton Road.

SPEAKER_02: 8:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 8:31

Off the side of Clinton Road.

SPEAKER_02: 8:32

All right, but wait, before you go anything, I got a quick question. You know the road, you said, right? You're familiar with the road. Is the road on each end closer to like in like a city dwelling or like to a town?

SPEAKER_01: 8:43

No, like the like the end of the both ends of the ha end in like residential neighborhoods. It starts in a residential neighborhood. No, no. They no, on the on the West Milford side, there is it isn't residential neighborhoods, just woods. Okay. But on the Greenwood Lake side, it does end with like Greenwood residential neighborhoods. New York side or Jersey side, Greenwood. New York Side side. Um Jersey. I think it's Jersey. Yeah. Greenwood Lake and Jersey.

SPEAKER_02: 9:08

Okay, so go ahead. I just need it for me in my head to see like, okay, like is this like does it end in, you know, beginning end in town or like, you know, just whatever. Okay, okay, okay. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01: 9:19

So yeah, so there was a bicyclist that found like a garbage bag, a body in a garbage bag, and it turns out to be one of the iceman's mur victims. Oh, the mob the iceman. If you've so uh just anybody who's watching doesn't know, uh in New Jersey there was a mob hitman named the Iceman, and he was called the Iceman because they would kill people, put them in a freezer for several months, and then thaw and then put the so they couldn't figure out the time of death. It was harder for them to figure out when the person was killed and tied to anybody specifically. So like they would kill the person and then so that was one of his victims that was probably in a freezer for a long time. And yeah. See, that's cool. Yeah, definitely. I'm not cool that the person died. But it's cool that I think I'm gonna keep somebody in his freezer. Yeah, no, so I'm gonna do this one.

SPEAKER_02: 10:06

So that bicyclist was super freaking brave to be on said road where there are so many things that have happened. I wouldn't have been on the free road. Like, I don't really look literally look at that face.

SPEAKER_01: 10:16

I've seen bicyclists on Clinton Road before.

SPEAKER_02: 10:18

No, if you see Lou's face, you're like, I'm not going. Just look straight ahead. Don't look at Tony. Just keep driving.

SPEAKER_01: 10:25

If I really wanted to, I could take a detour home to take Clinton Road home.

SPEAKER_02: 10:28

Yeah, no, bro, don't do it. Maybe like this, you have somebody don't look at the yellow line. Just look at the yellow line.

SPEAKER_01: 10:36

There's some pa uh some like weird paranormal type activity. Like they say that you know people's electronics go haywire. They've said that they've lost chunks of time or like hours have passed. Why? So like related to UFOs, yeah, or just like a portal. Or like a like a portal or they like time, you know? Where all of a sudden they like go into the future. Like you drive and like two hours have passed. Like you went to like and came back. Yeah. Or you just a time warp portal, like you like it puts you two hours in the future. Yeah, see. So two hours.

SPEAKER_04: 11:08

You just lost two hours that you don't even know that you did. C man C it always gets out of the way. Yeah, you know what, Tom? Don't go to that way, bro.

SPEAKER_01: 11:15

They go the other way road. Go to go to safer way.

SPEAKER_02: 11:17

Yeah, no, no, no. I'm gonna go to the room.

SPEAKER_01: 11:18

There's so many like urban legends specific road.

SPEAKER_02: 11:21

It's crazy. Yeah, that's yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 11:22

Pass it all the time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 11:24

Yeah. No, no, no. What you got, Luke?

SPEAKER_04: 11:26

You got another one. No, no, that's the Wendingo.

unknown: 11:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 11:31

See, that's another Wendigo. The Wendigo. I'm sorry. Wendingo.

SPEAKER_04: 11:34

That's that's another I ended it and then I made it from Australia.

SPEAKER_02: 11:38

Owendingo. Wendingo. But that's another version of of of a of a Bigfoot thing, isn't it? What is it called again? Win win wendigo. Wendigo.

SPEAKER_04: 11:48

Yeah. Okay. So from Al Algonquin speaking indigenous people. Like the Cree, the Abogee, the Inu. It's not just a monster story, it's also a moral moral warning. Traditionally, the Wind Wendigo Digo represents greed and selfishness, especially during times of famine. The danger of losing your humanity through cannibalism or unchecked desire. Spiritual corruption that can twist a person beyond recognition. Yeah. I never heard that. What it looks like. Description vary from imagery and nightmare fuel. Gaunt skeleton, half decomposed figure with glowing eyes. Skin pulled tight over bones, lips often chewed away. Oh god. I've never heard that description of Windigo. Sometimes depicted with antlers or a deer like skullhead in modern horror through the more Hollywood the original lore. See, but in Scooby-Doo, Wendigo was more like a Bigfoot looking, like a I remember. I remember seeing the the antlers, like the deer antlers. Always monstrously large and skeletal.

SPEAKER_02: 13:04

See, that's funny. I've never ever heard that's the first time I've heard it.

SPEAKER_04: 13:08

Wasn't just about being eaten by one, you could become one if you resorted to cannibalism in desperation, gave into insatiable greed, were possessed by the spa spirit of one. Once transformed, you consume with hunger, lose your soul, and w wander endlessly in the cold forest. Wonderful. I'm just saying. So you basically create your own monster then. Right. Yeah. So if you if you fall into fall into this pattern, you actually become one of these creatures. Wait, so wait, how does how do you become one again? Because of greed. Yeah. Oh. And just unsatiable desires and things of that nature. Right. Unscrupulous stuff.

SPEAKER_02: 13:54

All the unscrupulous stuff. But that's when you take it to like the super max. You know what I mean? That that's the idea. You go to like that super extreme.

SPEAKER_04: 14:01

So you can get caught up in it too. Yeah. Yeah. So there's video games for it, there's uh horror movies that have been done about it as well.

SPEAKER_03: 14:09

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04: 14:10

It still carries real weight in uh cautionary tale about balance, respect, and community over selfishness. So in other words, it's not about you, it's about all of us.

SPEAKER_02: 14:20

We need to take care of everybody. Oh, yeah, definitely. I think that's one thing though, too, that, you know, for all of us, that uh that's where the the idea came for a lot of these things. They're urban legends. Yeah, sure. You know what I'm saying? It's the something that happened that, you know, you put it out there as fear or you did it. Cause like with the we had spoken about in the movies, the Blair Witch Project. Right. You know, that was something that people used to tell their kids kind of thing to, you know, don't go in the woods or she'll get you. You know what I'm saying? Like that kind of shit. Don't go down that road or they'll get you. Right. And then they always go down the road. Right, exactly. Don't be such a greedy person and you know, or the windigo would come and get you.

SPEAKER_04: 14:54

Help people do the right thing.

SPEAKER_02: 14:55

Right.

SPEAKER_04: 14:56

It's such a cool legend because it works on two levels. Literally, monster for campfire shows and a symbolic monster warning against greed and inhumanity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 15:07

Your stuff, man. Yeah. That's crazy though. And it's and like I said, it's it's wild because you almost believe that you're gonna see these things. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you go. Wendigo. There you go. Wendigo. You know, you just it's it's not Wendigo. It's Wendigo. Wendy go, man. Wendy go away. I don't want to talk to you no more.

SPEAKER_04: 15:26

Good night, mate. Wendigo. What did the Wendy go? You know what a Wendigo is.

SPEAKER_01: 15:32

Oh my god. I found a Wendigo.

SPEAKER_02: 15:35

They always sound like they're I don't know. I'm sorry. I shouldn't be mean. Yeah, no, no. You can't make fun of them. That's true. No, we could, they know. Yeah, listen, they always sound like they're questioning everything. Nothing but love, peace and whatever. Yeah, it was a long prosperity. What other one we got?

SPEAKER_04: 15:50

What about the black eyed children? Mmm, where? These tales started bubbling up in the nineties with kids who looked ordinary except they have completely black eyes. No whites, no iris, just abyss. The kids usually described as wearing outdated or nonscript clothing, such showing up at night and asking to be let inside into your car, your house, or even just to use the phone.

SPEAKER_01: 16:17

Listen, yo, usually like possession have like the whole eye, no just super black. Right.

SPEAKER_04: 16:23

No.

SPEAKER_02: 16:24

Yeah, no. You need to turn around.

SPEAKER_04: 16:26

You need to go now.

SPEAKER_02: 16:31

Stop spitting that does a little bit of it there. Yeah, exactly. You can't see on camera when you got the the door. For sure.

SPEAKER_04: 16:38

The classic features of of the legend, always in pairs of small groups, they usually appear with two kids, two kids together, sometimes a boy, a girl, age anywhere between six and sixteen.

SPEAKER_02: 16:49

See no, man. That's not like children.

SPEAKER_04: 16:51

Monotone and polite, but wrong vibe. They're usually really formally language, a formal language like we need to come inside now, or it won't take long. People describe the tone as robotic or unsettling calm. Yeah. Can you imagine? I was like, Yeah, I can't imagine. Imagine that, Brooklyn? No, you fucking can't. Yeah, you can't come in here. Where the fuck is your mother? Turn around. Get out of here. How are you?

SPEAKER_02: 17:15

Yeah. Get the hell out of here. I got something for you. Take off my belt real quick.

SPEAKER_04: 17:19

No, that's crazy shit, though. Could you imagine that actually all can decide? Could you imagine like somebody walking up to the door and doing that? Mm-hmm. Yeah, no. All I would do is just close the door and lock it up. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Police.

SPEAKER_02: 17:30

No, police nothing, bro. I'm calling the I'm calling something else. Calling the booby. Yeah. No, they're gonna put me in the booby hatch in before the cops. Like, what are you talking about, sir? There are no children.

SPEAKER_04: 17:42

Commission obsession is what it's called. They can lodge they can just barge in barge in the instant they must invite them. They w that's why they get compared to vampires. Okay. Insist that you must invite them. In other words, they force you to invite them in.

SPEAKER_02: 17:58

Yeah, won won.

SPEAKER_04: 18:00

Aren't you gonna invite me in? No. You know, no, right. No. You already know the answer. Why asking?

SPEAKER_02: 18:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, no, I don't know you. No, you're sorry. You're valid.

SPEAKER_01: 18:08

In other like shows, like I've unlike vampire shows, I've seen people be like, uh, I think it was in Trupalis. Like, I un-invite you, and they're like, Oh, the vampire's gotta like go back.

SPEAKER_02: 18:20

I never watched that.

SPEAKER_01: 18:21

That's fucking hilarious. He was like, he was like, I uninvite you, and it's like his body just started moving backwards towards the door. That's funny.

SPEAKER_04: 18:29

Yeah, because it it's like a power to get them out of it. No shit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 18:32

Never heard that one. That's a good one. If a vampire ever comes in your house, you accidentally.

SPEAKER_02: 18:36

I don't invite you, uninvited. Yeah, no, no. Yeah. Get out. I wonder if I could do that to people. You're uninvited.

SPEAKER_04: 18:45

Get the hell. You're bloody bastard. I don't like you. Let's see. Let's get a couple more things here right there. Theories. Paranormal. Some say that demons, aliens, disguised, or even spirits trying to pose as someone. Psychological, other things. Others think it's a mix of sleep, paralysis, suggests Lee, and modern folklore taking on a life of its own. So in other words, you're degrading yourself, right? Right. Hoax turned into legend because the story is spread online, step skeptical, arguing snowballed from once made up tale in into an enduring myth. Okay. You know? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 19:19

But interesting stuff. Oh, yeah, definitely, bro. I'm still looking it up. Again, bro, you like I said, you think about these things, the things that you see, you know, the stories that you hear about, whatever. You know, and it's so because you're looking at the New York one. So where I used to live in Newburgh and I was driving my bicycle at three o'clock in the morning to go to work. And nobody ever said anything crazy about it ever happening on that road or anything. It's called Little Britain Road. And dude, I'm there and I hear something running past the people's houses, but I can't see because it's dark as fuck. Like the only I was riding, riding my bicycle in the moon, like I was riding to work, and my car broke down. Okay. And I hear something in the trees. I'm looking and I see a shadow or something, and it looked pretty big. And I was on a pretty, you know, on a on a mountain bike, so it was pretty big. The bike was was tall. And I hear it, and I look and I kind of like go over into like oncoming traffic. It's just a two-lane road. So I crossed the yellow line and I'm like, what the hell is that? I hear it scurry across the street behind me. So I go back over to my right, because now I'm hearing it in the, you know, in front of the people's houses in the grass and shit. Man, somebody had a light on, like a little side light inside of their house. I saw this thing that was probably, if I was standing up, I'm like 5'7, 5'8 if I wear heels. And I had that thing looked like it was up to maybe almost the bottom, like my bottom rib. Like it looked like it was that tall, running on all fours. That's a shadow I see. I'm more like a wolf. Bro, I started pedaling so fast, I was scared as fuck. Yeah, no, I don't blame you, bro. Funniest thing because then I roll into the, I said I was working UPS. So I just get in there and I jump inside and I'd be like, they're like, what the hell's wrong with you? I was like, oh, we can't do it. They're laughing at me like you city boys. I'm like, city boy, my ass. Yeah, I got up here in the woods. Yeah, sons of bitches. They're fucking going to tell me about this shit. You have some crazy shit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they said it was probably like, you know, uh a wolf or something like that that was out there. Yeah, what was out of this bitch? What the fuck? Probably was.

SPEAKER_04: 21:18

If you would describe it to be that big, it most likely was.

SPEAKER_02: 21:20

Listen, I had never seen the biggest. You did the right thing, though.

SPEAKER_04: 21:22

You got on that bike and just like. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02: 21:23

I never was on the bike. I know that, yo, dude, I was I was moving. I know. Hell yeah. I know I got to at least like 30 miles an hour because I was scared shit. Yo, just leaning all the way in. Yeah, dude, for no reason because it was all uphill. I said it was no ducking, whatever. Frostbite on your face. That's how bad you're going. Hell yeah, in the middle of the summer. Middle of the summer, I was going so fast I got a frostbite on my cheeks. Well, it's freaking hilarious. But yeah, but like I said, again, but I don't, I mean, so I'm I tell you the whole funny because I don't even know if it was really me seeing that. Or you're not sure. Or it was just in my head that I was bugging out because, you know, again, you could do it. You could do it to yourself. Yeah, I'm bugging out. I've like, I've never ridden the the i riding in the five burrows, you know, riding bicycle or whatever, the darkest that it gets, you know, you might think you see somebody standing on a street corner or coming out of their building. You never see the woods like that unless you're in riding in the park. Nah. You know? And it depends on which park you're riding in, you know? Like, yeah, no, later for that shit. And growing up in the 80s, I don't know if you remember, Lou, that, you know, in in Prospect Park, Central Park, you know, by me over by Sunset Park or just whatever park. If Van Cortland Park, people used to hide out in the trees and the bushes and shit. And if people were walking past, they still do that now. They jump out and rob you or, you know, snatch people up or whatever the case may be. Right. So, you know, here it is in my head. I'm riding down this freaking dark ass road with no street lights, and I'm like, there's gotta be some crazy animals in this bitch, and then all of a sudden I'm hearing shit running through the woods. I'm just saying, but it could have been in my life.

SPEAKER_04: 22:58

No, it probably wasn't. You probably heard something. Your instincts were probably right on.

SPEAKER_02: 23:05

Yeah. Freaking insane. No doubt. That's too much. You got another one?

SPEAKER_04: 23:09

Yeah, I I found another one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead. So we got the Michigan dogmen. I've heard of it. First reported in 1887 near Wexford County, Michigan. Described as a seven foot tall, blue-eyed, bipedal, canine creature, basically a terrifying mashup of man and wolf. Oh no, I don't know that one. Witnesses often say it's the body of a man, but it's head of a dog or wolf. See. And it runs on two legs.

SPEAKER_02: 23:36

I'm D'Zane.

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With unnatural speed. The legend picked up steam in the late twentieth century, especially after local radio DJ wrote a spooky bail ballad about it in 1987 as a joke, and then people started flooding the station with actual sightings. Of course. Once you put the you know, you put it in somebody's head. That's what I'm saying. You just start seeing shit. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it could happen, you know. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, dude. I'm your own worst enemy.

SPEAKER_02: 24:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 24:04

Exactly. Exactly. It supposedly appears every ten years ending in 79, 1987, 1997, 2007. People claim that they've seen it in the woods or lonely highways were near cabins in northern Michigan. Browse, Howells, and Glowing Eyes in the Dark are its calling cards. Isn't that where that show was, Northern Michigan? Can you imagine Michigan? Seeing Red Eyes or Glowing Eyes in the Dark? Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_01: 24:31

The one where the one race with the guy in the card. The guy from the Hangover is not Hangover.

SPEAKER_02: 24:38

Ozark? Ozark, yeah. Ozark. Yeah. No, that was um Jason Bateman. Yeah, Jason Bateman.

SPEAKER_01: 24:44

He plays a good Ozark's Northern Michigan.

SPEAKER_02: 24:47

He plays a good bad guy. Or is that scary? He's kind of scary. Yeah, the super fucking scary. But I don't know. I don't even know I don't know where Ozarks are. I think it's in that area.

SPEAKER_04: 24:55

Why are you bringing that up, by the way? I don't guess.

SPEAKER_01: 25:02

I'm just trying to picture my head what that area looks like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure.

SPEAKER_04: 25:10

Imagine I would like to know what the Arab Smith's should look one up, Tom. One in Canada. See what the Aerobin Smith is in Canada. If there is a good one.

unknown: 25:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 25:17

I'm telling you, I bet you there is. Guarantee it. You're already in uh what you call it?

SPEAKER_02: 25:22

Yeah. In chat. Yeah, dude. I'm telling you, man.

SPEAKER_04: 25:27

Another northern legend is my dig is the Manitou of the Great Lakes. What a spirit and said is to cause storms or drownings. What was it called again? I'm sorry. The Manitou. Manitou, okay. Or Tao. It's C O U.

SPEAKER_02: 25:41

In New York?

SPEAKER_04: 25:42

Yeah. And then the White Lady of Rochester, New York. A ghostly woman searching for a lost child near lake. I've heard of this one. Yeah. The Northern Light Spirit in Inuit stories say that Aurora of the Souls of the Dead playing games in the sky. Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 25:59

So wait, which one was the chick again? What's her name? White lady. The white lady. Okay, so see, so now that's what I was telling you before that I said I would see some that would end up switching because there's one in Spanish. So now this one I've heard in Mexico about being in Mexico. About the white eyes. La Jordona is what it's called. So that she's looking for kids and lost kids and stuff like that. And it's a woman that's weeping.

SPEAKER_04: 26:22

Sometimes they would see them in the s her in the cemetery.

SPEAKER_01: 26:25

Ah, yes. Yes. I I mean I could just talk about like I mean, there's so many urban legends in New Jersey. Well, just talk away, my friend.

SPEAKER_02: 26:32

We'll have uh we'll go down one. We'll just go. Wait, wait. You didn't have another one? Oh no. But you did you you still you said that? Well, I was gonna do because I said you know, we'd do the ones in PR and then we'll go back to the book. So I said, so La Llorona is the one we said the same thing as the lady in white, you know, that she sees that she's crying for kids and stuff, and people see her or they'll hear her first and they turn around and then boom, you know, she's right there. Another crossover is Chupacabra. That's I think. You know, because I heard about Chupacabra first. That's in PR though, right? But I heard it in Texas. They do have it in Texas. Right. So I heard it about in Texas first. That's like years ago when I, you know, first heard about it. And then I hear later on, like, you know, digging more, that it was something that came out of Puerto Rico and, you know, got here in the United States. Then it came into the United States, and then it was in in Mexico, so in South America and Mexico. Like it was just in all those places, and then it was mutilating the uh cattle livestock as a whole and stuff like that. So I I had heard it, you know, from different places, but I heard about it in Texas first. Oh I'm sorry, heard about it from out of Texas first. So I mean, it it's just it's it's insane. Uh then they had what's the other one I just saw here? The devil's sentry box. So this one is under um Castillo San Cristobal in San Juan, and that they that this sentry box is believed to have a haunted, it's being haunted by spiritual soldiers that vanished without a trace. So, like, you know, in the forts and stuff that are around the island. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of forts. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So like I was telling you guys the story earlier when I was in PR last year, we had gone into El Moho, that's the big fort that you see on TV and everything else like that. And I went into one of the sentry towers into the thing, because you know, you go in there and take pictures and you can see the view and everything else with it. It was so cold in there, and it felt so cold. Was it were you walking in inside of stone? Yeah, it was in it. So the whole the the whole fort is made out of stone, rock. Yeah, you know, brick kind of thing. And but it was I said it was the sentry box. Like, you know, the soldiers would stand there and they could look out into the water to see if anybody was treating the boats and shit or whatever. That's creepy. And Puerto Rico was like fucking 80, 85 degrees, you know what I'm saying? Going in, it's like it was cold and heavy. Like I just felt like almost nervous. And I hadn't even walked out, like gone, I didn't even walk out because it's super small. And I didn't even go over to the slot in the wall in the wall to look out. To look out andor down. Like I could just see straight ahead, but I couldn't see like straight down. Man, I was like, like, you know, kind of like grabbing my catching my breath, and I'd back out and I tell my friend's wife, I'm like, bro, you gotta see that. She went in there and she like, I like she just kind of like felt it too. And then I went back and said, like, you know, you know, like telling the whatever was in there, like, yo, you know, you don't have to be here, you know, none of that stuff is happening anymore, whatever it was. And I felt it get lighter while I was in there. I didn't do a prayer, I didn't say, you know, oh God, please pass it. And I didn't do none of that. I was just like, yo, you can leave and spoke to like what I'm gonna say in my head, believed to be the ghost anymore.

SPEAKER_01: 29:42

They say if if you see a ghost or you know there's pr ghost present in the room, they say, like, you know, you're just you're supposed to like let them know that like need to move on.

SPEAKER_04: 29:52

Yeah, everything is good. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 29:53

Listen, I'm not here to disturb you or upset you. Yeah, it's bananas, bro. And this one I hadn't heard before. For El Hacho, a spectral red light scene in the mountains of Ponce. This legend tells of a man who has lost his soul from burning a cross and must now eternally search for its ashes. Like that's one of those. There was another one like that. I don't know if you heard it. Like the guy was looking for his like body parts or something like that. It wasn't like the mummy. It was something that he had gotten cut up. Oh, the headless horseman is the same thing. Oh. He lost his head and now he's got a big thing. Yeah, that is an urban legend. Right, exactly. So it was the same idea, you know what I mean? Up in the Tarrytown over there. Right. Yeah. Tarrytown. Yep. The gargoyle.

SPEAKER_00: 30:37

Yeah, right, yeah. Didn't we go there for one of the Halloween? Sleepy Howl. Yeah, we went over there for the Halloween shit.

SPEAKER_01: 30:42

Sleepy How is an actual town. Yeah, it's Tarry Town. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 30:45

It's right by there. The gargoyle, a more recent urban legend from 2018, a two-legged winged creature smelling of sulfur was reportedly seen in Barcelonita, leading leading to attempts to capture it. So like I said, this is one of those things where, you know, the monkeys, you know, running around in the in the woods. So you think it might be something that's it could be something like that. That's progressed. So now I know about, you know, this is just some little quickie ones that I, you know, was going through and looking at, you know, of you know, urban legends and stuff like that. But I know, I so we look for the meaning. People look for the understanding why, where. They said that originally Chupacabra was, and the conspiracy theory is that there was the government that was on the island. They were mixing with dogs. They were cross-breeding, they were cross-breeding, they were mixing genetically, enhancing, and doing all that other shit on the earth.

SPEAKER_01: 31:37

I had some island adopted on road type. Right. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02: 31:40

So now here's the other shit. So people that know and have heard these stories, many, many, many moons ago. I'm talking like, you know, 50, 60 years ago or more, you know what I mean? Well, actually, way more than that, because I'm talking like 60s, 50s, 60s, 70s and stuff. And, you know, when, you know, everybody we were in wars and stuff like that, and you know, setting up for what, you know, we as the United States or just every other country was thinking about what was going to happen, they had a secret base in Puerto Rico because there is military presence in Puerto Rico. Right. You know, like if people didn't know, it's one of the biggest satellite dishes there that they have it aimed up at the uh in the middle of the rainforest that's aimed up into space and they're listening and looking and watching all these things right from the island into there because you know it's on the middle of the rain. So, with all that being said, they had always said and seen that, you know, men in black would keep you out. Almost like Area 51. Right. So when you tried to go into certain places, like they let you go and you did, you know, that part of the of the rainforest and go on the hiking and you know, the theory and shit like that. But you can't come over here because then they would do it. My aunt, rest in peace, she said she had been out there one time with a friend. And she was showing him around, and he was from Florida. And when she takes him out there, that they had gotten too close because she didn't pay no mind to where they were, she was just showing them stuff, and that they got too close to where there was a military base in the middle of the woods, at the jungle, I'm sorry, and that they were like, You guys can't be here, you gotta go. And that after that, they kept seeing the men in black profile and them around the island to make sure that they were who they said they were when they stopped them in the jungle. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? But like I said, that's you know, again, if it's legend or you know, urban legend or whatever in Puerto Rico, it was still that, you know, whole idea. Well, it comes from somewhere, right? I mean, and that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04: 33:23

You know, there's just people really seeing something, are they making it up? Right there's something else happening that we don't know about. Yep. Yeah, yeah. So many, so many different things you can come up with. Yeah. That's what makes it so cool.

SPEAKER_02: 33:34

Yeah. See, and then like even vampire stuff, the Morca vampire, the chupacabra legend has earlier roots in the 70s, vampire of Morca incident where numerous farm animals were killed by the similar thing. So different name, same thing. You know, so that's probably why it was that you know they changed the set, then everybody knew the chupacabra was traveling, like he had a passport or whatever. Who was getting around? Yeah. See the devil the devil's sentry box, the legend is connected to the historic forts of old San Juan, like I was saying before, and such as San Castillo San Castillo, San oh my god, geez, sorry. Castillo San Um Cristobal, you know, just about the sentries, the guards. And when you go into El Morro, the fort, like I said in San Juan, and you are walking, when they start telling you the stories, all everything is like open. They still have where the kitchen was, and everything that we said was in is in is rock, you know, it's all stone when they built the fort. And they still have where the kitchen was, they still have the jail cells, like everything is still up. I mean, open as far as like they don't have all the the gates aren't there and such, but you could still feel, see, like it's crazy. Again, Puerto Rico's hot. Right. And you still feel like you feel a chill in there.

SPEAKER_04: 34:49

Right.

SPEAKER_02: 34:50

It's insane. You walk out of the fort, yeah, dude, you do. Because of all the shit that happened to there. The slaves that were there, the the you know, just the soldiers, the fighting, you know, whatever little wars, battles, and stuff that they had. Dude, bro, yeah, it's heavy with all that stuff. And it's through the whole freaking place, isn't it you know, it's just it's it's wild, man. They got some cool ones. They got some cool ones. Go ahead, Tom. You said that you had some other ones.

SPEAKER_01: 35:13

Yeah, yeah. Just like I said, Jersey is just filled with urban legends. In fact, there's so many urban legends, there was a like magazine in New Jersey called Weird New Jersey that would be filled with I mean, not just urban legends, it had some other stuff like like people who are just like these regular just like strange people and strange things that you see in towns. But anyway, so there's always urban legends. And one of the urban legends that it's funny is it's it's in a town you wouldn't expect it in, and like they the cops there like really give people hard time because it's a it's like one of the wealthiest towns in the United States is Alpine, New Jersey. Uh Alpine, New Jersey's in like north like northern Bergen County, but like it's like northern, like super east. Like it's like along the Hudson River. It's like a s it look it's like if you replaced suburban neighborhoods with a little bit more property and just mansions, it's like mansion, mansion, mansion, mansion, mansion, mansion. Anyway, so they got this thing, I think it's like the town the section the section of that town's called Rio Grande or something. I don't know, but or Rio Vista, that's what it is. Rio Vista. You go to the Rio Vista section, there is a tower called, I don't know, it's just a tower, but people call it Devil's Tower. And suppose if you drive around it backwards three times or something like that, you'll like a lady in white will appear, like we were talking about before. So it's like they're mixing, they're mixing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like in that neighborhood, you'd be doing that shit. Those cops will be there so fucking fast because like, you know, they don't want people to go in there and doing it. Yeah, it's a fucking upscale wealthy neighborhood. They paid the cops to like keep people out. You know what I mean? Like we don't need people coming here and doing that. Especially a bunch of teenagers. I did it. But anyway. That is crazy. We did it real fast. I didn't drive around it backwards three times, but I did drive around it a couple times.

SPEAKER_02: 37:08

And I was like, let's get the f yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, that's crazy. See, I wouldn't do it, but I wouldn't dare to do that. Like, even when I was a kid and while I pushed the envelope. Yeah, I'm I just never even like I never ponsoned the idea to turn around and do any of that shit. I never did the candy man. You know, the Beetlejuice we did the Beetlejuice because it was just funny, but you know, never did the candy man, never did the Bloody Mary. My cousin did, she did it. There's no reason to make it the Bloody Mary. I'm like, yeah, I'm good. I'm good, man.

SPEAKER_01: 37:34

There's I'm good. There's also, and this I pass this almost like three to four times a week. I pass in Whykoff, there's Ewing Ave. There's an exit ramp on Route 208, and it's called Gravity Hill. And you go down it. See, and an urban legend is is that there was like a girl who was like hit by a car or something like that, and she's stopping you from going. So you feel the force pull you back up. And if you put your car neutral, car goes back uphill. Right. Yeah. It really does. Oh wow, that's crazy. But you know what it is. It's an optical illusion. Yeah, exactly. Because you're actually going uphill, but the way the landscape is curved. You're really going downhill, yeah. It looks like you're going downhill. Right. So you actually feel like like your car is like because you're going downhill, but it looks like you're going uphill. That's crazy. So you feel the or are you going, I mean you're going uphill. But it looks like you're going downhill. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 38:37

So it feels like your car is like the lotion you get to when you're in traffic and you feel like the you're moving when the truck goes and you're not and you're staying still. Yeah, it's not.

SPEAKER_01: 38:46

It's sort of like that, but with like the direction of height. Right. The way the landscape is set. It just looks and the and there's like shit throws you off on that. It's banks on both sides.

SPEAKER_02: 38:56

So it looks like you're going down downhill, but you're going to be able to do it. You're really going uphill. Yeah. So when you're driving regular, it's like you're going uphill. If you put the car in neutral, it's really rolling back down the hill. Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I was telling you about with the kids on the train, on the train thing. So you know what I mean? It's because of the way that the tracks are, how it is, and how the road is over the track, like, you know, that they just it looks that you're just really rolling off of it. It's not that there's really ghosts pushing you. Right, right. Or some kind of entity. Yeah, I'm not knocking anybody's belief about it or whatever, you know, about that particular one, because I saw it, like I said, I saw it on TV and the car was kind of sitting there, and then they made the horn sound of the train coming and the car started to move. So take it how you wanna, you know, watching it on TV, you know, just to get people to watch. Yeah, whatever. It's one of them things.

SPEAKER_01: 39:47

There's also in Tottawa, they there was in New Jersey, there was a thing called Midgetville. And there was a rumor that there was this section around by this like curve of like houses for midgets. And like you go and they're like tiny houses. They're all super, and that's before tiny homes were cool. Like they were tiny homes, but they're like low-income housing. Like people don't realize they're like they're like single rooms. Glorified sheds. You know what I mean? Like they're bigger than sheds, you know what I mean? But like they're like super, you know, like yeah, like one room, uh one bathroom house, you know, one smoke. Anyway, so like the legend is if you go in there, the midgets will come out and start throwing rocks at your cars and fucking destroy your cars. It's like, but that will happen if you go in there and start, but if they're not midgets, but like because people fucking getting pissed, you go in there and you're honking your horn and being an ass. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, you start doing shit at you, you know. And then but then there's this there's another urban legend from there that someone was chased out of there, and there was a girl on a prom night who got who was walking down the road and a car hit her because they were rushing out of there being chased by it. And so on that curve, someone painted blood, paint put red paint and shit like that. So they like really laid into it. Yeah. Yeah. In the late 90s. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 41:03

That's hilarious, man. I'm telling you, this just and and it's crazy because of how the human psyche, bro, the mind just works to like you see it all of a sudden, you're hearing it, you know. I I don't even know if I told you guys this one. Now I'm laughing because it's it's we're talking about this shit now. A couple of weeks ago, I was doing my two o'clock in the morning run, and I'm coming down this one road, and I only have one of my passengers in the car. And when I turned coming out of their parking area, and I start to go down the road, I shit you not, bro. I saw somebody standing about maybe 50 yards in front of me in the middle of the road. And I'm like trying to turn the wipers on to see if I really saw it. And then a headlight came from behind me and uh it went away. And then even when the car had turned, the car behind me had turned off to where it was going, the image didn't come back. Or the person that thought I saw it. And I was stopped, bro. I was stopped because I was like, what the fuck is that? Panicked. Panicked. Well, not panicked panicked, but I got scared like it sent the chip. I'm respiring, you know?

SPEAKER_01: 42:02

That's crazy, man. Also, really, what when cook say, I mean little people, not midget. I use the term measure because uh that was the word.

SPEAKER_02: 42:10

That's what they were saying for the time, right? That is hilarious, man. Yeah, these are always fun, bro. I love this. I'm having fun with this uh Halloween stuff. This is this is really groovy shit. What remember, guys, real quick? The Mothman? Mothman, yes. That was the word. It all began.

SPEAKER_04: 42:23

Point Pleasant, West Virginia, 1966 through 1967. It's where the legend exploded. First sighting of a group of gravediggers saw a man like figure with wings flying over them. Shortly after, two young couples reported a giant winged creature with glowing red eyes chasing their car near an old TNT plant, a World War II ammunition site.

SPEAKER_03: 42:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 42:47

Local newspaper dubbed his Mothman, riffing off the popular popularity of Batman at the time. That's funny. I thought Mothman was uh was older than that.

unknown: 42:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 42:58

Uh you know what I mean? It makes sense though. It seems like hundreds of people in the area reported strange encounters, a huge gray humanoid with wingspan of ten feet or more, eyes glowing red like taillights, flying silently, sometimes keeping pace with cars at high speeds, people who reported weird electrical disturbances, UFOs, and strange phone calls around the same time.

SPEAKER_03: 43:20

Mm-hmm.

unknown: 43:21

See?

SPEAKER_04: 43:21

Good stuff. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02: 43:23

Yeah, that is freaking great. I love this shit. It's just fun. It's fun. But I'm enjoying this haunted October, bro. Yeah, Halloween. Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 43:32

Some of my favorite uh holiday.

SPEAKER_02: 43:35

Yeah. I've gotten into it. I've gotten into it more. I never paid no mind.

SPEAKER_01: 43:38

I like other holidays too. I'm not saying it I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 43:42

I love the festivess of the whole thing. Yeah. I love all the macabre, you know, the dark.

SPEAKER_02: 43:49

Yeah. Right, right. That's what it is. Yeah. You know, because then you think about it. This is when you turn around, you're watching all the ghost hunting shows and stuff like that throughout the s you know, throughout the year. And you know they do something special to start more.

SPEAKER_01: 44:00

Well, I'm saying to like horror punk exclusively. Yeah, you see what I'm saying. I listened to some newer ones like Wednesday 13th. That's a good uh horror punk band.

SPEAKER_02: 44:09

You see? But yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like even now, I have the the whatchouquatz in my car. I have a skeleton mask, uh, anime mask, uh Ichigo's uh hollow mask. I got that. I got a skeleton in my back seat, so you know, it's all fun. I love it. But with that, thank you guys for listening. Appreciate all of y'all for being here with us. Love, peace, and hair grease. Live long and prosper. And stay spooky.

SPEAKER_03: 44:29

Hello.