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Understanding Día De Los Muertos Across Cultures
Color, music, and memory take center stage as we explore why Día de los Muertos is a celebration of love—not fear. We start with the essentials: how different cultures mark the dates, why marigolds line the path, and what the vibrant calavera style actually means. Then we get personal, swapping stories about ofrendas stacked with favorite foods and small vices, the power of stones on headstones, and the familiar ritual of pouring one out for those who can’t be with us. Across borders and beliefs, the message lands the same: remembrance keeps us connected.
As the conversation unfolds, we wander into the mysteries that live beside these traditions—near-death experiences, life reviews, and the way our beliefs color what we see at the threshold. Some people meet family, some see only light, and many come back changed, gentler, and more awake to what matters. We balance wonder with curiosity, acknowledging both cultural nuance and practical explanations, while holding space for what can’t be measured.
We also stretch our imagination around consciousness—whether mind is more cloud than brain, whether time is a web, and how multiverse ideas and pop culture metaphors help us talk about the unsayable. Through it all, we keep our feet on the ground: rituals are for the living, and honoring the dead can be joyful, healing, and deeply human. If you’ve ever built an altar, left a stone, or told a favorite story just to keep someone close, you’re already part of this tradition.
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SPEAKER_04:What's going on, everyone? What's that? So we our last episode we talked about Sierra Killers, but it was also recorded on The Day of the Dead.
SPEAKER_02:Kenny, can you please help us because we'll screw it up? That's how you say it in a spice.
SPEAKER_03:We uh we're gonna have an episode, even though it's past that date. Uh, we're gonna have an episode about that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, we're actually on the date. We're on the date, no, no, well, yeah, but when it's released. I know.
SPEAKER_01:But you'll hear it post a few days later. Well, so here's the thing. So it's not there's a few different cultures that celebrate it differently. So it's from December 30th, I mean maybe December. Wow, November? Yeah, for real. From October from Nov October 31st, 30 yeah, 31st, all the way until November 2nd. God that's when different cultures celebrate. So we're still in the yeah, we're still right in there, you know. They're all in the in the vicinity. Yeah, no, no. So like Mexico is November 2nd. Well, Mexico is actually the 31st to November 2nd. Philippines, Philippines is November 1st and the 2nd. Brazil is November 2nd, Haiti is the first and the second. So, you know, Japan. Oh, Japan has it too. But theirs is in August, Ireland. Wow. Yeah, there's a whole bunch of different ones that that you know, okay. And and it's crazy because I guess I didn't even think about it being called that or representing the same thing. You know, I knew about those certain things, but I didn't know that that's what they were celebrating, if that makes sense.
SPEAKER_04:But the one that most people refer to is the the one from Mexico. Yeah, and and the a very specific style of makeup. Mm-hmm. Yep. The skeleton, the white skeleton, and it's but it's not like just like black and white. It's a lot more colorful. Yes. Uh I think the colors are supposed to be symbolic probably of something. Right. If you guys want to look that up. But the they use that specific style and it's to honor the the dead. It's not about uh anything spooky or scary, actually. It's it's actually a a date to like right isn't that what to honor like the people who passed away, like you know, pay homage to them and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_01:It's not a bad day, right?
SPEAKER_04:No, it's not like a spooky or mourning.
SPEAKER_02:I guess it could be with some people in certain areas. I mean, even if they're in the same way, I'm sure there's a dark side to it as well.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:You know.
SPEAKER_04:But it's always looked at like a like a positive type of thing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, no. Uh it's it's it's like you said, you know, it's it's uh paying homage to the people, you know, who have passed away, your family members. You know what I'm saying? Right. Just that's pretty much it. And like you said, yeah, the colors used on masks and in face paint for the day of the dead carry specific symbolic meanings uh rooted in the tradition. So the vibrant colors. So like yellow and orange are the curr colours prominently features in the marangold flowers represent the sun, the light, unity. Right. Red is uh represents the physical existence that sustains the body and the soul. Purple signifies mourning, grief, suffering, and pain. Yeah, so everything I mean, but I it's like anything else. You know, w this isn't coming from I think that's one thing too I want to say first. Dia de los muertos, you know, Day of the Dead, that's not a movie. It's it's there, you know, it's part of the religion. It's part it's a good thing. It's just, you know, showing thanks and love to people who have passed. You know, it's not celebrating the devil. It's not, you know, drawing a uh pentagram on the floor and whatever on the wall and killing chickens and shit like that. That's not what this is about. Not, you know, it's nothing like that. Everybody and anybody can take it and make it something that it's not, you know what I'm saying? But this is something, you know, it's a celebration. It's supposed to, you know, just be happy that uh, you know, our ancestors have moved on to someplace better than where we are now. You know what I'm saying? That they're that they're happy, that they're relaxed, that they're at peace, you know. Uh heaven, if you will. You know what I'm saying? Like that's the whole idea. You know, that that's the day that they come back kind of thing. They don't come back, I don't want to say they come back to life, but you know, that there's you know, that they come and they celebrate with us, if you will, you know? That we're celebrating their memory. Like that's the whole I get that yeah. That's the whole idea. So yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I have something that I would like to to uh close up on that I think is kind of similar to that because it it turns to be to be a good thing at when it comes to an end of it. So the show that we watched, uh Erie Hall on Netflix. Yes. Okay, so at the end of that series, he winds up confronting it at some point because he gets attacked in the shower and he's pinned down and everything, and he decides I gotta figure out who this guy is. He he actually gets to the point where he gets in touch with his father, and his father comes up with him and they go for a r a run together. And they find this plaque where everywhere he runs all the time, and this is the first time they find this plaque. And this plaque is to a soldier that was killed at Naspa by Indians in the Revolutionary War.
SPEAKER_01:Gotcha.
SPEAKER_02:Right? So he goes and he faces off with him and he talks tries to, you know. He doesn't know that yet though. He finds out later on. He finds that out later on.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, no.
SPEAKER_02:Right, yeah, he just knows all right, this is a soldier, so he doesn't know out until later on. It turns out his mother has a relation on her side to the person who died in the woods. So he's trying to find some peace, so he helped him get he finally, yeah, he told him he couldn't do this anymore. You know, he faced up to him and everything and got him to because the guy wasn't in peace because he was tortured and he was murdered when he was tortured by the Indians and and he just couldn't move on for whatever reason. He was stuck and he somehow the the great thing about the thing is is that they were connected somehow.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_02:And that was the weird thing. And he figured it out. He didn't even know it until that scene later on, too. He didn't know it right away. Right. They found it out later on. That's crazy. Yeah, see that. But it turned out to be a good thing, though. Yeah. Well, they got it. In a sense, in a sense. In a sense. I mean, they were tortured pretty much.
SPEAKER_01:That's the idea, you know, like things like that. It's good stories like that, you know. Like I said, that you that the other little muertos, that that's the day, you know. I said it's that thing. It's, you know, some people that they're able to help out the spirits that, you know, maybe not, you know, ancestors that got stuck or whatever, you know, they didn't run out the door fast enough or whatever, and they missed the light and shit, you know. Stuff like that, that happens. But it's it's a it's a it's a super celebration, bro. Like we said, you know, you got parades, you know, the costumes. It must be incredible, man. Well, you know, from us growing up in the city, and I'm sure you may, I mean, no, you know you've seen it. I don't think I've never been able to go. I've owed the Halloween parade. The Halloween parade down in the village. In the city. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:No, I don't think I've ever done that. I would like to, though.
SPEAKER_04:It's a night parade, yeah. People have like sometimes big these big giant puppets. Kiss have done it a couple of times, isn't it?
SPEAKER_01:They did, bro. They did it back in the 70s, yeah. 70s, and I think they're not going to be able to get it. No, I did late even later on. Did it in the 80s, too? I remember the. Even 90s, I think. Maybe, yeah. I remember them coming in that late. But no, you might be right. You're not going to be able to do that.
SPEAKER_04:If if like Gene Simmons, like him dressed as in costume. That's what they did. That's what they did. They didn't and like incognito be like, oh, that's a really good kiss costume. Oh, that would be funny. I wouldn't have to be a good idea. Oh, thank you.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, when they did it years ago, like Lou Saying, they did. They came in costume. All the time they came in costume. No, but it would be funny. But then nobody looked like just nobody knew that was. Yeah, and then people like, it's really you. That's hilarious, man. That is so freaking funny. Yeah, that would be cool, though. I would love to. But, anyways, like I said, it's the celebration. Like I said, depending on where you are, depending on on, you know, and like we said, I was telling you guys before, the different colors that mean different things. You know, and and you know, it's I think it's one of those things where you don't really pay in any mind. Because now, you know, I was thinking about this the other day. I'm driving on the highway, and you know, there's a few spots on the highway where you see people have their crosses and stuff like that for people who have passed away and stuff. Same idea. You know what I'm saying? It's literally the same idea. Just not and not holiday. Right. Well, it's on the specific day, but it's not to the same, it's not like a parade, you know, but it's still it's paying homage to the people that, you know, passed away that are sitting there and whatnot, you know. In cemetery. You go and you put up the, you know, you put flowers on the tombstone or candles and you know, leave a bottle of whiskey or whatever. Yeah, or a rock or something like that. Right. Well, you know, that's actually more of a European thing.
SPEAKER_04:It is. That's what the rock is true. I remember we talked about that. What do you do with Europe?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because when a lot of people that came from Europe, whether Polish, Germany, um anywhere really, that was a a symbolic thing of it. But uh but if Jews are do it a lot as well. They you know and that goes again because their ancestors came from Europe and they're here, so old traditions and things that people listen, you know, do. But that's actually that's a good thing too.
SPEAKER_04:But it's rock is seen also because it's like a permanent thing. It's not like a flower that dies. It's supposed to be like you know, like Yeah. But wasn't it supposed to like be that you you visited that someone visited or something like that?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I would say it just do to let them know that you were there. Is really you know what it was about. At least that's what I was told. Yeah. Okay. You know? That's another couple of rock. Yeah, here's another thing that we had to do.
SPEAKER_04:How messed up is it? Does you ever you think some people take rocks off of them and put them on someone else's messed up? No, I wouldn't put that. I think that would be on curb your enthusiasm.
SPEAKER_02:I would think that that that would be effed up, and I'm sure I would hope that people wouldn't, but I have to say that probably someone did. Yeah, yeah. Because you have insults. Yeah. I could picture Larry David doing that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that would make a that would make a good episode. Yeah, it would, huh? Actually, I don't know. He may have thought of it and said, uh, maybe that's the material.
SPEAKER_04:You don't know it's missing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? Are they gonna come and check? Yeah, I forgot. I forgot. And then it would be like, I was missing a rock.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Larry, you know? That is too freaking hilarious, man. Yeah. But yeah, like I said, did you find what you were looking for?
SPEAKER_02:No.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Like I said, you know, so now I'm gonna be stand corrected in the part of the welcoming spirits. Families welcome the souls of their oh no, I was right. Okay. Families welcome the souls of their deceased relatives back for a brief reunion on November 1st and 2nd. They build oferendas that's uh offerings. Like, you know, like they'll leave, like I said, you know, leave have alcohol or like their favorite food for whichever one that, you know, you know, whatever family member you're you're paying homage to. You know, whichever ones are there. If you know, like, you know, five of your family members that had passed, and you know, one liked rice, the other liked, you know, whiskey or whatever, you put those offerings out there so that they're sitting, you know, have that.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, so like their favorite foods and stuff.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, stuff like that, all the cigars and shit.
SPEAKER_02:I know people have brought like tequila or whatever the drink was and just pour it on the drink for me.
SPEAKER_01:Just put a nice uh blue woman. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. What's that growing around the tombstone? Oh no, honey. So I don't know if you ever put that yellow that's hilarious, bro. Yeah, like throw it on the right grave. Yeah. Oh, that would be freaking insane. But I wouldn't be pre-made, so I'm not sweating on that shit. But no, dude. So, hush, and I lost what I was gonna say. That's freaking funny as hell. Yeah, I did, bro. I did. Yeah, but anyways, it's like you said, just you know, all those little offerings and things like that. But you were saying now that people bring certain things to the grave to thanks, or remembrance, or so back in the day, I don't know if you guys ever did it, but you know, it was like uh everybody would tap the bottle before we opened a bottle of 40, you know, of whatever beer and stuff we were drinking, and then they'll like, you know, pour some out for my homies before pour a little bit out for the for those who have passed or no longer here with us or whatever.
SPEAKER_04:Every time I hear someone say that, I think. Well, we just do it. We would do mostly like a post.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, suck with a 40 in his hand. Yeah. No, no, you're right. You know, that too. That too. You know, hey, too. So and so. But you know, you would pour it out for people or whatever because you do so. I know about that as well. Yeah. It's the same idea, different culture. You know, except right, but I'm just saying, like, you know, it well, yeah, that way different culture, like as far as different. And that's what makes it interesting. And that's why it's wild because you know, so so far, anything that I've ever looked up, heard of, you know, in in myancestry.com shit, it's never been anything where it was, like I said, it wasn't anything satanic. I'm talking about like the day to day. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't like that. Like, I want to keep saying that shit because I don't want to be a good idea. I know because people take that. Like, oh, that's satanic.
SPEAKER_04:There's a lot of weird especially old world cultures. Because Mexico pulls from old world culture. Right. There's a lot of old world religious culture stuff that's just really weird and creepy. Right. That people think is if you told them, it'd be like like like relics. Like, oh yeah, there's a there's a decapitated head of a saint in a cathedral. And like when I went to like a cathedral when I was in Italy, and they just have like a decapitated head of a saint. It's called a relic. And yeah, and and and then another church will have that saint's hand in it or something. They like cut the bodies apart and keep the body parts in like that's weird.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_04:And you would think that that's don't they also bury them in or underneath the Vatican? Well, I know they do have like crypt. Like a tomb of cryptography, right? I don't know. Isn't there like a certain thing for like popes that they have to do? No, but not necessarily saints, but saints they say, they say in in like I think like they do weird shit. Like if you dig up a body and it's hasn't decomposed, they're like, oh, it's a saint. Oh, really? I thought it was so. But actually, a lot of that has to do with where they're buried. Like if there's like a lot of limestone and and water filters and filters of the lime, it actually preserves the body and stuff. Really? Yeah, they've they've found out like it's my. There it is.
SPEAKER_01:There it is. Well, again, well, but so it's the same idea. Because even look at that, you never so you know, Catholic religion, you know, they're super strict on a lot of their stuff, you know, to you know, bury and everything else with it and how they do their stuff. So that then, you know, Day of the Dead, you know, that's they look some Catholics might look at it a little bit different because of what they believe Day of the Dead is, or what it would be that's why they say they assume to say that. That's why I keep saying it's not a satanic day. I didn't think it was.
SPEAKER_04:I don't have my phone because it's recording, but maybe there is actually someone else to actually they dig up the bodies. Yeah, that's out in the case. Is that like Thailand or uh Burba? Or on Day of the Dead? They actually dig the bodies. Why do they dig that? And they walk around with parade with them, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:No, no, no. Yeah, yes. Remind me not to give them.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but no, no. It's one like Laos or or I I don't know. One of the one of the reason they know that there's no reason they think it is.
SPEAKER_01:It's Thailand, one of those Yo Luda was fucking hilarious, bro.
SPEAKER_04:One of the one of the South Pacific cultures that make up the body.
SPEAKER_02:So you look it up now or interesting thing for me growing up in Judaism. Right. Because we're never again, we weren't ultra religious, but we did follow certain things that were supposedly the way so when someone passes away, you know, you you throw dirt on the grave, right? And then when you come home, there's a container of water or something out there for you to wash your hands. Right. Don't bring death home with you, but don't bring it in the house. Yes, yes, yeah. Before you go into the house.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Yes.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I always thought that was cool as hell. I yeah. Interesting concept because, you know, like I didn't why but think of the time it came from, right? And they just continue to use it because it's part of the fabric and how long it's been with it. Yeah, man. You know, it's crazy.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And and and that's some it's just so many things, places, cultures that you never thought of that do this. You know what I mean? And you know, think about it. When we sit and we're just talking regular stuff and we're talking about somebody who has passed, you know, that's us paying homage, if you will, telling that funny story or that fucked up story either way, but telling that story of that person that's passed and, you know, sharing that moment with others. Same idea. Yeah. On a larger scale, you know, is what they do on day of the dead. It's in Indonesia, bro. Yeah. So Wallace Sulawa Sulawesi, Indonesia, is where they do. Indonesia. Indonesia. Yeah, where they turn around and they uh yeah, I'm good. Yeah. They dang up the bodies. No, I'm good. Yeah, they bring the body. It's not a festivity or a hobby I would like to get into. Yep. And it's crazy because when they wrap them up, it's like old school mummy stuff. You know, if you wrap them up just right, you know, they're basically preserved.
SPEAKER_02:Do they wrap them up that way when they first die, I'm assuming, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then every year they dig them up, they dig them up. They dig them up and they unwrap them and then wrap them. Uh-huh. And they bring them in, they put them in their favorite chair, like they'll light cigarettes for them and shit like that. Don't you mouth?
SPEAKER_02:Haven't you ever seen the old school pictures of people? Even in this country, back in the day where they would have the funerals in the house, or they would take pictures with the dead before they buried. Like they were actually sitting with them and taking pictures. The black and white, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah. No, you've seen them, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I hate it. I I that was a thing too that used to be morbid. People used to do the funerals in their homes. That used to be very popular. I think some people I think still might do it, but it used to be done back in the day. I think back. It's morbid, bro.
SPEAKER_01:Wait, but I think that was more because of they all lived like out in the middle of West Bubblefuck. Uh- You know what I'm saying? So then it was a mission to get to the church. The same thing, but think about it, bro. Oh, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_02:I'm not saying that it was probably just easy to do it. They wouldn't have regulations back then to do that shit. Right, yeah, it was whatever. You could mean house.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Because I mean I guess. This is a time where fire exits and fucking buildings were locked up and chained that you can get out.
SPEAKER_01:They can get in, right? Yeah. You know? But it was like, you know, I said people would they like live on the farms or they just lived up in the mountains or whatever. So they would send the word out, you know, listen, you know, so-and-so passed, you know, we're gonna have the the the viewing or whatever on such such a date and come over, you know. They go to the house. And they go to the house. Same thing like, you know, the other way around when they were born. People were two, three years old before they actually made it down the mountain or, you know, to the hospitals and shit, you know, coming from almost anywhere. My my great aunt, rest in peace, she was born in the mountains of Puerto Rico, and she was like, I think three, four, five years old. By the time they actually brought her down, that they came down to make their trip down into town, and they were actually able to get her a birth certificate. So when we're thinking that she passed away like 105 years old, she was probably like 115. You know what I'm saying? Like she was like, you know what I mean? It's just one of those things. Because I mean, but again, back in the day, there was no reason to have to come into town as such. You know, everybody was basically self-sustaining. You know, you had your farm, you had your livestock, you had whatever. The doctor would have to ride out to your house to go and do the little house in the prairie shit. Right, exactly. Instead, I would just turn around and like.
SPEAKER_02:But yeah, but still it's so giving me though. That's fine. All that shit's good, but the fact that you're t you're sitting them in chairs and you're taking pictures of the. That's the part I was saying that's so goddamn morbid.
SPEAKER_01:Not a morbid, bro. That shit. But again, we're not trying to knock anybody's religious. No, no, no, no. That has nothing cultural. That has nothing to do with religion. For me, well, uh yeah, culture, religion. That's what they get.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but I don't think there's I don't believe well, not any religion that don't they smell? Yeah. I mean, I don't think there's anything in any r religion that we know of. Talking about people who lived in this country or came from all the day. Oh, sorry, but you know, you know, we're not talking about fucking other. I'm talking about here, like old school pictures of people taking pictures of passed away. Yeah, they still do that.
SPEAKER_01:People still do that shit.
SPEAKER_04:I yeah, remember I've seen that happen in someone's house before and they like had pictures of like Yeah, people get in their casket. I'm like, why? Out of frame, too, which is even weirder.
SPEAKER_02:The pictures that you already have of them.
SPEAKER_04:Why do you need the pictures?
SPEAKER_02:Not enough, but you need to have the one with them in the coffin. Why?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, nope. That's what I'm with.
SPEAKER_02:That's the last thing that's why for me I already know that one, I don't want to be I don't believe in an open casket anyway, because of how I was brought up. Right. See, there are certain things we grab with us that you kind of stick to when it comes to whatever you were brought up with, right? I don't want to see it, and I don't like going to those to viewings or at all. You know, usually I don't go in the room. They have to be really close to the family to the point where I'll walk in. I don't kneel at the thing, uh you know, at the I don't do any of that.
SPEAKER_04:Well, if I don't know the person that died, I don't think that's it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I usually don't go in the room. Yeah, I don't have to go in the room.
SPEAKER_04:You know, because a lot of times you're uh you're going just to you know pay respect to the person to the people of the family.
SPEAKER_02:Right. That's what it's about.
SPEAKER_04:It's about the family now. It's not about him.
SPEAKER_03:I'll walk past the skip, but I don't know how you don't know them.
SPEAKER_02:It's weird. That's weird.
SPEAKER_04:Like am I gonna walk up to the casket and be like, I missed it.
SPEAKER_02:That's the whole three-day thing about you know Christ.
SPEAKER_04:But I'll go to I'll go and I'll you know, say, you know, pay my respects to family, saying I came to your, you know, I came to the week and you know, whatever. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Show you face there, you know. But hey, like you said earlier, see each other. You know what I mean? This is what you were, you know. Yeah, you know, the and this is what you brought up with, this is what you do. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For me, it was like good.
SPEAKER_04:I'm good. Yeah, I don't want any. I like this version of it, though. I don't want my body on a view. No. I already told everybody. First of all, I don't even want to. I don't want a funeral home, nothing. I'm just gonna be cremated. But you you know, uh what is it? Uh what is it called? We had a memorial for you. That was it called of life. Celebration of life.
SPEAKER_02:That's the way to party, bro. So if anything happens, yeah, I told my kids the same thing. I said I uh my wife as well. I said, I just want people to come and hang and talk about the good memories. Talk and laugh and cry and do whatever it is, and have my music on. Get the DJ going. Right, and have the music on that I liked and all that shit. Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying. All music that we all liked, of course, not just mine, but certain shit.
SPEAKER_04:If they're gonna play music that I liked, it's all about like dark shit. I listen to dark wave, it's like about it.
SPEAKER_01:Simon and Gotham, who maybe like dark sense. I listen to dark wave. Put an urn with your ashes, like you put the urn over there, and then in the in the middle of the music.
SPEAKER_04:Maybe one of the bands I listen to, the name is She Passed Away. You see, well, you're not a she, so you passed away.
SPEAKER_01:He passed away. No, no, but you turn around and you have your urn there playing the music, and all of a sudden somebody hit Tink, tink, tink.
SPEAKER_02:Here's something interesting, right?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, don't give me any idea.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I'm just saying, hold on, look, so go ahead. No, if they were to have my casket, you gotta get a Bluetooth speaker of my own voice going, they already had that.
SPEAKER_01:That's all I'm gonna say. It's an Irish wedding, I believe. You know, they were putting in the casket. And he had a thing. He did it on purpose. Yeah, the guy was getting put down into the state. He's like, hey, wait, I'm not ready yet. No way. And people just started laughing while they're standing over the grid. He did it on purpose. He did it on purpose. He had one of his friends, you know. That's awesome, man. Yeah, man, it's hilarious. I'm sorry, Luca, you were gonna say that. I totally was uh thought the other one, too, was somebody else was telling me they said that they wanted to have a bunch of like men in black kind of thing, like you know, big ma, like just not Italian mafia, just you know like big gangster-looking dudes walking in. They're like, sorry, you know, thanks, boss. You were a great boss. All right, uh, have a good one. And then walk out and make them look like. I'm talking about how cultures are, right?
SPEAKER_02:So culturally, they say if you have a near-death experience, yeah. What happens at the tennis, whatever you grew up with, what church, you know, if you went to church and you believed in Christ or whatever it was, is the version of what or similar to those that lane as far as how your near-death experience could be. Because they I read a thing where like atheists just have a light. Right you still see a light, they just go, they don't have anything that they believe in. Right. So but they're near that experience, it's just a light. We have people Roman Catholic or Judaism or whatever it is, Hindu, right? They experience that. So it's funny how they follow that from life to death, meaning when they go to church, they see it, they bury people that way, and then they wind up having that ex most likely having that kind of experience when they pass away. Right. Which is interesting as well. I always think, oh, what kind of mind would I have? Yeah. You know? Not that I want to know anytime soon. But then I think it would probably be I think it'd be more like towards the atheist side or somewhere in the middle.
SPEAKER_01:Well, i it would be one of those things of what it is that you feel for that last minute. Because you know, so it's the it's your last thoughts, is what it is that you probably the way they referenced it was about how you were brought up.
SPEAKER_02:You were brought up a certain way, nine times out of ten, you would lean that way, that's what you believed. And that was the the after death you saw Christ, you went some, you know, however that is usually in that lane. So if you were if you had a religion of you were Judaism, you kind of went a different direction. But you still had a you know that an atheist didn't really have anything except for light, like a ball of light. They still went somewhere, but they they went where their mindset or how they lived life. Yeah. There wasn't bad or wrong or right. It's just everybody goes there regardless. Yeah. It's just their version of it. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Everybody's version is different. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And then probably there's other stuff too, I would assume. Like Yeah, like they say you see family members, you know, absolutely.
SPEAKER_02:Well, yeah, then of course you're with whoever you are. And also you get the viewing where you view, you view your life, and you're the person who the judges.
SPEAKER_00:Ooh.
SPEAKER_02:You have to fe they say you feel whatever the view is, you feel everything that happened in your life over again. Yeah. You know what's kind of messed up.
SPEAKER_04:My um one of my friends growing up, his uh father was dying of cancer or whatever, and he said that his like the last he he told me like it was two days before his dad died, that like he was looking out the window from his kitchen and saw his dead father and brother sitting on top of the shed or the garage roof. Whoa. Oh, that's crazy. And then two days later he died. From the you know, from So Dad said he saw that. Yeah. Wow. Dad who died. Yeah. Oh no way.
SPEAKER_01:That's kind of crazy. Yeah, that's when you know it's coming, bro.
SPEAKER_02:Well, they say, you know, people who who are in hospice and things like that. That's kind of they start ominous, you know.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_02:They see they have people who see certain people before they go, right? Or they have something they need to get done before they pass away, before they can go. They're dying. They're gonna die. But they're kind of the ones who are holding on because they got something they need to take care of. Right. Yes. Yes. And that happens too. That's also when you know that could happen. And then once you do, whether it's that person or whatever it is, you know, and then when it's done, usually you're gone. Yeah. You know, you're out. Yeah. He was a you know, so and so. He needed he saw so and so and whatever. Or was something else that they had to take care of or has something to do with a brother or something. Who knows? You know, there's a book about it that's really good. So that I read that had interesting stories like that. You know, it's like, that's crazy.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you know. I that's what I'm saying. I think that, you know, I I I I hear what you're saying, I agree with you, you know, what you said before about, you know, people going and what their religion is or, you know, what they believe. But I'm almost wondering if at that last moment that because you your your your fear of what the afterlife would be, if that's what you would turn around and that was like your last thought. You know what I'm saying? Like I would say, like so for me, because I'm that guy.
SPEAKER_02:So, you know, what my violent death is what you're saying.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I could, you know what I'm saying? Not that I'm gonna die of violent death, but that's just what I'm gonna see, like who it is I'm gonna see on the other side, right? If it's gonna be that family member, is it gonna be that I'm gonna see my life flashing before my eyes? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, like you know what I'm saying, I think that that's what your mind becomes.
SPEAKER_02:The common thread is what they say. They see you kind of see a viewing of your life from the time from the beginning to end. And you feel everything that's happening that you already had done, but it's like super it's like you're in a different place, a different time. The way it's described, it's like it doesn't take long, it happens. Yeah, mm-hmm. And then you're out. You go wherever. There's no like for instance, people who commit suicide, like we were talking earlier, right? Eventually they see the light and they come out of it. You know, they but in the beginning, sometimes it's dark. Sometimes it's not, sometimes it's they see the light right away. Yeah, okay. Right, right, right. Again, it depends on that person. Or what what's going on or what happened in their life to the point that they needed to do that. Right, right, right. Some bounce back from it and take a positive from it. Hopefully, if it's a positive experience, they take that and then they their lives put they're advocates for suicide. You know, you know, not to have suicide, but to prevent suicide, I should say. Um, you know, a lot of people have positive it's just funny how that certain things could happen. You know, I I I want to you know we always hear the positive one about when someone passes away. Oh, they seen this, they went through a tunnel, they saw their own, but it wasn't their time. They go through certain things, boom, and they're back. Right. Kind of thing. Right. Right. You know. Well what about those people who who prov you know uh created their death, you know, did it. What did they experience? Yeah. You know, what was the outcome of that? Was it someplace did they go somewhere that was not good? You know, some people said they did. They went to a place that was like super dark and lonely and nothing. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You know, like but you know, but got out of it fortunately. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. There's always two sides. We always kind of focus on the one. Oh wow, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, it's positive because you want to hear that one better. But it's curious to know about is there anyone who has had negative experiences? I think. Yeah. That's what's so interesting about death and you know, we're on the day of the dead we're talking about that.
SPEAKER_04:So it's funny, it's become like a life after death episode a little bit. Right. A little bit.
SPEAKER_01:Well, because it basically is. It is. It is. You know what I mean? Because I mean, like I said, Dia de los Muertos is just that's what we're saying. It's that celebration of them, you know. And we always hope that the people when we without digging them up. Without digging them up. Yep, exactly. Without digging them up. that you know, it it's it that we're hoping that they went to the you know, that they were at peace when they did pass. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right, of course. And you know, I I it it's just crazy. It's wild because, you know, like right now we could sit and we talk about well, we could sit and talk about it, the other motto, we talk about the people that have passed, we talk about, you know, seeing the light or whatever you're seeing at the end, you know, at the days and whatever. And it it's still what is there a fear at that moment? You know what I'm saying? Like are you scared? Yeah. Are you scared or is it like the voices already talking to you that you're just like and you're calm just before you actually pass. You hope so, right? You know what I'm saying? We don't know.
SPEAKER_02:That's the thing that's so mysterious because we don't know how we're gonna pass away or of what or is it going to be sudden? Is it an accident? God forbid I'm not putting any bad vibes out there. I'm saying that's the mysterious part about life, right? Because we'll be as careful as we possibly can and take care of ourselves the best as we can, but at some point we are going to die regardless. Right, right. It's gonna happen. Yeah. But that's just from what we understand only one step which goes day of the dead. So now we'll be on the other side.
SPEAKER_00:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Now think about it. Now you go, you pass, now you're having a good time. And then you would hope Day of the Dead comes and not a bit, Kenny come back hey can you hang out for a little bit? Good. No, come on for one day. Come and hang out.
SPEAKER_02:Come on for the night. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:What are you talking about?
SPEAKER_02:Because it's usually at night right? Not the whole day. Is it the whole day?
SPEAKER_01:No, there's a few of them that are a couple of days later.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah are they really because Halloween's the whole day too.
SPEAKER_01:So you know like come back, you know, hang out with us, you know, keep talking to them like ah you know I mean I gotta go back and hang out over there. I left the ship, you know, I'm out of here. Over there having a good old time I'm out of here. Yeah I'm driving a cat make a quick thing and then I'm out.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah yeah yeah that's funny.
SPEAKER_01:But you know I mean i i I wish that there was I don't know if I want to say I wish, but it would be cool to know if the people you know on Day of the Dead, you know, on on these celebratory quote unquote holidays, if they know, if they understand that, you know, people st you know still talk about them, people still miss them. You know, we would I'm saying you know those who celebrate like that, you know, you hoping that that they know. Yeah. You know, like oh yes I was thinking about you know oh I miss you.
SPEAKER_02:You know we had these laughs or whatever that's it's kind of the same like if you ever think about somebody or something or whatever, you'll either and somebody will say oh I saw so and so the other day I'm just fucking thinking of that. Yeah but so I think in some way it's possible that it it makes it to the other side.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah because some way or the other it's like when you think like you said when even when you're thinking about somebody and they'll call how many times you know the three of us are sitting together bullshit on the phone or whatever and it's like one of us will say something it's like yo I was just thinking that right you know what I mean same idea. To me it's the same idea.
SPEAKER_02:I think there's something going on yeah yeah it's a connection that's definitely a connection it's the force my friend yes I love what you think that's beautiful.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah force is real Dave I think so you know I start to think they say if you tap into we are connected somehow and I don't know how you know and they they say that human consciousness they don't know where it comes from like they don't know where in the brain like they can't like they can't find how the brain like so like there's theories that like figuring it out like little by little thoughts we think they're in our head but maybe they're remote they're in the cloud.
SPEAKER_01:They're in the cloud right they're in the in the human cloud they say the connection that we're all that's what I believe.
SPEAKER_04:I I I actually I used to be atheist remember we were talking about the first season we were doing this. And now I I have more of like a metaphysical kind of I believe not simulation theory as a computer like the matrix but I believe that like all religions are just interpreting the same thing. That's how I feel you know it's just my interpretation of this it doesn't mean I believe they're all right. Yeah. Okay. And that it's a lot of it's just based on the culture where the religion was founded. Right and the interpretation yeah and then that and then there's some people who are mystics and prophets in different cultures and that's just what the but like they're all saying the same thing. Yeah and yeah they're talking about the same damn God. And like you know yeah it's the same one.
SPEAKER_02:It's bullshit fucking one regardless. It's your version your story whatever. And I don't I don't follow any spiritual in a sense because and you don't have to be religious. Right.
SPEAKER_04:That's what people screw that up to be spiritual because you can be our souls we are the soul and these are just our capsule. What is it like what's that movie? Avatar. Like yeah we're avatars right a little bit and then we go to another cocoon cocoon right?
SPEAKER_01:I did but I don't I just remember it was in the 80s a long time ago those white things yeah the white little yeah alien spiritual looking things yeah so I mean and you're right and that and your spirit is goes to the next term you're done with this body and then you go all right now it's you move on to the next you guys are the ones that told me that that it was like you know it's like some people they can either go to the light to be reincarnated or they like look over their shoulder turn around and that and they'll go home. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Meaning they came if you want to go there right but you might be reincarnated and sent back that's where if you go turn around and look behind you you'll see where you came from and you'll go to that spot. That's that's one of the theories that people have out there.
SPEAKER_04:That's what you guys took about that's pretty that's turn off the wall right take me home turn around to the light so the lights behind you and say yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly.
SPEAKER_01:But if you go to light you're gonna get recycled. Recycled right and then sent back again that's funny recycled.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah all right all right you're going back again yeah but then if that's the case how many times were you sent back? Do you even know? Is this the first time you ever have your life or is this like your 12000th time is one of those things too bro.
SPEAKER_01:Think about it. Think of how many times that you've had and like we've had you know we've had the conversation you've had the time I'm sorry go ahead bro no no go ahead that you have those thoughts of like you know you in a cowboy outfit or you you know just being in a ho in a different country or whatever.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_01:You've you know you've even said that.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah and but there's there's people who believe though that like that like you can like like I and I believe the same theory too that like you can choose to like you can go away for you like you can or you could you like any point in time you could be like ah I'm gonna go back.
SPEAKER_02:And then you could stay hang out for a little while or you'll be told that left the beach and then it's like uh it's been like uh they'll be like you know I don't know how long time doesn't exist so I don't yeah exactly I'm done all right let's go back I'm tired of this card too it could be the person that you run into or the that you see on the other side they'll say to you you're not supposed to be here the belief also is that time doesn't exist and that you can go in any point in time go back.
SPEAKER_04:Ooh like like like like the universe is and and time is like one static thing and you just go and you're just playing point A to B at this point in time at this place. You know what I'm saying? Yeah so that's that's one of the theories. So like you know it's like I come back and I think I'm gonna I'm gonna go into a dystopian future or maybe I'll go to the Renaissance or the the uh uh ancient Rome.
SPEAKER_02:They're saying the universe is like a web is trying they're figuring out there there's more to it that we understand where there's so many different connections and so many different ways. You know who's you know what we should do an episode on?
SPEAKER_04:We should do an episode on Bashar. On who? Bashar. There's a guy he channels he supposedly he channels like an alien and he always comes up with this things like oh you're all living at the same like like one of the theories is is like that that you're all that like you do live several lives okay but it's not reincarnation. You're living them all at the same time. Stop different periods of time. Oh so like so it's a multiverse. Yeah yeah it's like a multiverse like like you go like like but they say there is one though like you're saying that you have an option you're choosing to like live like 20 life sets at the same time at different points in time. Wow. And then you sync them back up when you when you What?
SPEAKER_01:See I've never heard of it. See that's a different ver now that's another version of the idea believes.
SPEAKER_02:But I heard that there is multiverses where we do have another copy of yourself in a different timeline or the same timeline but in a different universe. Right? Right? It could be a little bit different than what you are now maybe non negative in a as far as what infinite or positive there's infinite it just goes on and on and on. Yeah you know like Neo how many times did they have to make Neo? How many times did Neo have to come back before you actually figured it out? Well just for him alone he was three times religious references and when he went in front of the when he went in front of the the architect the architect it was a lot more than that.
SPEAKER_04:No I think was it or was it that it was he kept showing it this one here there were many different versions and every TV that was back there had a different version of what I think that was the architect because he the way the architect thinks is he thinks in a multiverse his his mind is you know what his mind is like a quantum processor. He comes up with a million different things at the same time different solutions. What the architect is a quantum processor. Oh because the quantum processor comes up with a million different versions and comes up with the best answer. Right.
SPEAKER_02:And Neo is an anomaly. Yeah which is random not supposed to happen but it does and for some reason he's able to do the opposite of what the architect has said the laws by the architect should be happening and he's like no I don't he goes by his own rules. But eventually it took him time to get there. That makes sense right that makes sense. So I can dig it squirely cool stuff but there's so many I just think that the one thing I do feel confident about is that there is something else but it's bigger than what we can fathom. You know what I mean? Which explains why when people do have them and they come back most of the time hopefully good they have crazy their life changes for the positive. You know they take a different look at it and go, oh wow just you know because they had a a profound experience spiritual experience. You know and then you know not really just spiritual which is totally opposite. Right. You can be both but you know one does not cancel out the other. So I think that's interesting. For sure man just to you know you come back and then you know your life was whether you you know had an accident or something and they came back or you saw yourself the stories of people driving and they'll be in the in the ambulance and they're right above it going to the hospital or whatever. You know it's just so with me I believe there is definitely something beyond this and you know we'll get there I'm with you. We'll I'll be if I it's me first I'll be waiting for you to hanging out and then I'll greet you guys. Yeah. Hell yeah definitely and hopefully when we're going we can smoke weed I'll be there anything's allowed it'll be better than we'll probably way better. You probably you won't even need it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah yeah yeah just be like I'll just upload you the City exactly the move you won't even need it because you'll be in a place where it's not necessary.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah exactly yeah euphoria exactly in a totally peaceful realm that is great where oh and you're happy and you're comfy and you're relaxed and in the zone argument in the afterlife like Minecraft you could just build whatever you just imagine whatever you want bro you go see whoever you want when you're ready to think of them imagine you're out there right you think of somebody while you're there they pop up however it works and boom you're right there you're oh what's going on yeah so and so yeah I haven't seen you you know uh huh well I mean what do you hear it now too I mean think about it you know because I'm that guy rock and roll heaven must have one hell of a rock and rock face furly just recently yeah you know so now here's something interesting before the show ends I here's a concept that I thought about so now I was adopted right I was brought up Jewish but didn't follow it I wound up going my own way and believing things differently and thinking the universe is you know the connections that way and everything.
SPEAKER_02:And then I always awesome you know when people say someone's always greeted them right yeah or they meet somebody well I had my mom and dad who were my mom and dad from growing up adopted from the day I was born two days old right it's your parents but then I had my other parents I used to say that somebody from that side that who I have never met came and greeted me and the weird thing would be is that you would know who it was you felt kind of comfortable whatever it was because how crazy is that I'm thinking that in my head I'm like how's that gonna work? Would that happen? Yeah you never met this person or spoke to him nothing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah and then they show up for that calmness to be like you're like oh you're now you're so and so yeah that would be sick you know that's how my mind works no no no no that's a good one that was a good mind work right there bro fuck around that was some good shit right there well shit we'll end on that good groove thank you for hanging out with us today on the Día de los Muertos hope everybody celebrated it because we've you know well everybody that does that they celebrated had a great day and whatnot and you know everything was cool peace and copestetic and thank you for joining us have a good one love peace and hair grease live long and prosper and celebrate
