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Inside A Night With Paranormal Investigators: Haunted Dolls, Japan’s Forest, And A Photo With Red 😳

• Keny, Louis, Tom • Season 3 • Episode 88

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A thrift-store doll that pulses an EMF to direct questions. A bell rung three times that may have invited something to stay. A red-eyed face peering from a doorway after the team already left the room. This conversation with Nick and Mina of Creepy Crawley Co takes us deep into the lived reality of paranormal investigation, where folklore, fieldwork, and evidence collide.

We swap stories that start in ordinary places—a home test with a “clean” doll, an antique shop find—and end with unsettling patterns: drained batteries, disembodied whispers calling a medium by name, and a next-day “paranormal hangover” that feels like an energetic debt. Our guests trace a spine-chilling route through Japan’s Aokigahara forest, bordered by ancient cemeteries and burial mounds, where roots run sideways over volcanic rock and EVPs mimic children. The details mirror J‑horror for a reason: locals have seen these forms for generations. When Mina later spots black hair slip behind a bookcase at home, the line between film and field evaporates.

We also widen the lens. Could ghosts, cryptids, and UFOs share a common source? From Skinwalker Ranch gear chirping in odd frequencies to Bigfoot vanishing like it stepped through a portal, the data hints at an overlap. Toss in mediumship interfering with electronics, Appalachian rules about ignoring shadow watchers, and the way scent—cigarettes, perfume, mothballs—appears like a message, and the case for a unified phenomenon grows stronger. Whether you’re a skeptic, a believer, or caught between, you’ll find moments here that raise the hair on your arms and the questions in your mind.

Stick around to the end for what’s next: the release of their Aokigahara investigation and upcoming trips to Mexico City’s Island of the Dolls and a search for La Llorona, with potential cross-team collaborations. If this gave you chills, follow the show, share it with a friend who loves the weird, and drop your theory in a review—what do you think those red eyes were?

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SPEAKER_04:

Welcome to C C and NJ Guy Podcast. Your host, Tom Raman, Lewis Grover, Kitty Copy. So we got a special guest on to us tonight. We have Nick and Mina from Creepy Crawley Co. So they are paranormal investigators. So they are paranormal investigators. They do paranormal investigations and they're big horror fans like us. So what's going on? Yes, welcome. Welcome. Hey, thank you.

SPEAKER_06:

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01:

Thank you for having us.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank you for saying yeah. Yeah, Tom.

SPEAKER_05:

That is true. We are a huge horror fan. Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03:

So hey, did you guys not to interrupt, but did you guys see the Ed Gaines story? Did you guys watch that? No, actually, I did not. You guys should watch that. Ed Gaines.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh no, we should.

SPEAKER_03:

You should watch it. Is it like a doc documentary or like a film? It's based on it's based on a uh a a gentleman who I don't know if he was a gentleman, but who's pretty much a mass murderer. Yeah, he back in the 40s.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, so he's like a serial killer, like a mass murderer that a lot of the horror movies like they they pulled from him, like Leatherface.

SPEAKER_03:

Right.

SPEAKER_05:

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Psycho, Chainsaw Massacre, and Silence of the Lambs. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Actually, I got a chance to go to Zach Vegas Museum in Vegas, and they had Ed Ging's pot where he used to boil the bone.

SPEAKER_06:

No way.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's really cool. They have a very thin line of salt around the pot, and it has a glass casing, and sometimes the pot moves outside the salted line.

SPEAKER_00:

Whoa. Yeah. No way.

SPEAKER_01:

See?

SPEAKER_00:

That would freak out. Yeah, see, Zach has crazy stuff in there. Yeah, for real. Yeah, see, Zach has some crazy stuff in there, man. Zach is crazy. He has that haunted museum. Yeah, he does. He's when he's the ghost mixture's guy.

SPEAKER_03:

Do you guys have your own building up? Are you doing your own museum? No, no museum, but we do have a couple of haunted items.

SPEAKER_05:

Ooh, what you got? Well, there's one doll that you know happened to find at a thrift store. You can tell the story about that one.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, we were originally going to bring a doll during an investigation and asked if one of the spirits would like to haunt the doll. It was our very first investigation, so we were just like, let's just have fun with it. Lo and behold, when we went to the thrift store, I gra I gravitated towards this one doll for some reason. We purchased it and it was like, let's just test it out here at our house to see if it is an empty doll. And no joke, it was answering questions on the EMF, which is like basically yeah. I don't know if you guys know what an EMF is. It basically reads like electronic interference, like magnetic fields.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01:

But we would be like, Go to red if you're here with us. Like go to red.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, we'll kind of pulsating towards like red for questions.

SPEAKER_01:

It was just on point with everything. So I was like, Great, I got already haunted doll. No.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, it's it's shifted too. Like it's actually kind of moved around a little bit. Wow.

SPEAKER_03:

For a friend of house sitting, yeah. You see. There was an open door around somewhere that you can get out of, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Did you keep the seat?

SPEAKER_06:

We named him Junior.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, same as Junior. Holy cow, that is awesome, man. That is too much. Yeah, Seattle lost it.

SPEAKER_05:

That that and we actually brought haunted objects back from Japan. The one investigation that we posted yesterday was the first part of that investigation. So at the end, that that belly call, the demon face.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Right. That officially became what we think of haunted objects because of that whole investigation.

SPEAKER_01:

It was fully we started thinking it's haunted because when I was there, I started vomiting TMI. And then when we brought the object to a convention, 'cause we are vendors selling art, we brought it to just have people look at it, and every woman that touched it, they started saying how their t chest was tightening up and they couldn't breathe.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, it's like kind of like a suffocation.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and there's like different time periods where these women were talking about that.

SPEAKER_05:

So we think it it doesn't like women too much. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06:

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So she's now did you guys end up doing any uh like a history check on it? Did you find out or like you know where it came from, who it may have belonged to, how old it is?

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah. Well, I checked it out. It's probably made around like the sixties or seventies itself. Uh we picked it up at an antique shop in Thailand, at like a Japanese antique shop there. But what we did during the investigation, when you ring a bell three times, you're welcoming a spirit there in Japanese folklore.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. In other words, we think we got the object haunted by welcoming something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh god. Now, in that video you guys posted yesterday, d you were getting a very specific spirit. Uh like it was like saying some like, oh yeah, or something like it was like I couldn't make out what it was saying, but it was definitely like a Japanese voice. You think it's tied to it? Do you think it's tied to that particular item you have? Was that with you on that?

SPEAKER_05:

It was with us the whole time, but the interesting thing about that location is we went to one of the oldest sections of Japan. Like it was the prefecture oh, a section between two prefectures of ancient Japan, Kyoko, and I forgot the what the other one is.

SPEAKER_01:

Another big thing is that it's next to two cemeteries, too. So we could have been talking to anyone that's in the cemetery.

SPEAKER_05:

But there's also like burial mounds within those mountains where it's like they they call them head mounds. It's where they would decapitate different samurai and they actually would have mounds with heads. Oh my goodness. They would just leave them, yeah. They would just leave them there too. That's crazy, man.

SPEAKER_00:

See, a lot of I'd be nervous. But now don't you guys get nervous bringing something home?

SPEAKER_05:

I mean, like, we're so used to it now, I think it's just another normal thing to us, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01:

I already think I'm haunted, so it's okay. I don't have friends, so these these they're my friends. That's great.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, how long how how long have you guys been you know, how did you meet up? How do you how long have you guys been doing this?

SPEAKER_01:

Has it was it like a coincidence or did you just know each other for a long time or so I've been investigating for off and on for a few years, but then I was like, hey, you know what? This is New Year's, let's do this for YouTube. So we've been doing it more advertising, probably like within the last eight months.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay. Yeah, trying to push out more. I mean, like both of us on separate paths in life, we've been around paranormal experiences. So being together and seeing a lot of things together, like we I mean, we just go out and about and we were having paranormal experiences, not with intention of filming it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. We have a lot of shared experiences that make us feel like we're not schizophrenic or anything.

SPEAKER_05:

So we we figure yeah, we figure why not? Why not just start filming? Why not just dive into it?

SPEAKER_01:

Even though we've been doing it for only eight months, we've been taking it very serious. We went to the unalive forest in Japan. I don't know if you guys know that forest.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so we went there at nighttime from eleven PM to four AM.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, that was yeah, that's the crucifixion. That was something way different.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

N but now with are there other people that were there too investigating, or like just you, you know, or just you guys.

SPEAKER_05:

So we We met up on in Narita with another YouTuber and two of his friends. And we did the Ayoyama Cemetery in Tokyo. And then the following night we went over to the forest altogether before we split off to different adventures after that. Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. The forest was definitely intense. I didn't know that the forest, because of a the Mount Fuji exploding at one point, the trees roots they don't grow downwards, they grow uh horizontally.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, they grow on the surface practically.

SPEAKER_01:

With that being said, what you have to be careful because you could literally walk into an underground cave. Really?

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, that's like right through them. I guess like w like a long half time ago, Al Fuji went off and completely demolished a huge village that was there within the forest. And since then it's just been such a heaviness. Not only because of the magnetic field, because of the volcanic rock, but of the history and what we know about it with people. Right. Yeah, we definitely experienced something that I can't explain without being present there. It's a whole different thing.

SPEAKER_01:

What did you guys think about the NLI forest movie that came out in the 2000s?

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, is that the oh what is that one called? The Forest?

SPEAKER_01:

The Forest, yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

I didn't see that one. We didn't see that one. Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_00:

The forest really. I was actually that. I feel bad that we didn't even see that. Oh my god. Yeah. Well, because it was based it was based on the forest you're talking about, right? In Japan.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

It's an American film though. Okay.

SPEAKER_05:

It's like a girl going in trying to find her sister that went on.

SPEAKER_03:

I think I saw that, yes. That was pretty good. That was pretty good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it was it was pretty intense.

SPEAKER_05:

Not a lot of films based on that place, to be honest.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I mean, think about it. How many people really go, like nobody, I guess I'm gonna say almost on Halloween time is when people really go looking for, you know, any haunted spots. Google, pictures. Right, yeah, and look to see what it is. Like, even when it came to Annabelle, nobody thought anything about Annabelle. You know what I mean? And then when the movie came out, people like, oh, it's for real? It's out there. Oh, and then they started to follow it, they started to look free. Right.

SPEAKER_05:

And everyone starts collecting those raggedy and dolls.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, for anchor and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02:

Right, because the original doll was actually a raggedy and doll. It was not the doll that's in the movie. Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay, yeah, yeah. No, yeah. They couldn't get the six rate, they they couldn't get the license, I guess, for that. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, yeah, it's not more people that are scared of that.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, but they they probably wouldn't want to give the license. They're trying not to assume scared that.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

So what if you heard that's what I heard?

SPEAKER_05:

They're like, no, you can't have our doll. That's that's what they're keeping from buying it.

SPEAKER_04:

Right. Yeah, that is great. I have a question. So now, Mina, you're so you're like a medium clairvoyant. Is that what you can like uh so do you find like that like when you're doing these, they kind of naturally just like some of these like spirits or entities naturally like gravitate towards you because they know that you're like able to like communicate or hear them or it seems like that's the case. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Um solely because lately when we've been editing our investigations, I get disembodied voices like she's here, or hey, hey you and things like that, or we'll even hear my name in the disembodied voice.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, the EVP. Yeah, EVP is on the spirit box. A lot of times we'll catch uh you'll hear someone saying her name. Like two syllable words, so you can't really pick those up, like Nina. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and uh there's also moments where we play the Ouija board over at the Unalive Bridge, the Colorado Bridge here in Pasadena, and you could clearly hear the spirit box syncing up to the Ouija board saying that it wants to take my soul.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Now aren't you guys happened once? Don't you guys get a little nervous playing with the Ouija? I mean, isn't it the old, you know, the rule is you know, be careful with the Ouija because you never know what you're gonna open up and let in, you know, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_06:

Okay. Okay. All right. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm not even me. I'm not even mad at YOLO.

SPEAKER_07:

Right. You know, at least that's what they say, right?

SPEAKER_05:

I mean, we we take our precautions with with it, of course, and we take it serious, but we've definitely got some really compelling stuff using it. So it's definitely been really beneficial, like especially in Japan, when we were getting responses in Japanese at the cemetery. That was crazy because it was spelling stuff that we're like, we don't know Japanese. Right. Were you guys writing it down? No, we had someone, we had someone that was with us that was Japanese. Awesome. So he would translate, he would speak in Japanese, asking questions, and it was him and Mina on the board, and it would respond in Japanese.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh and he was so nervous at times he would just look away from the Ouija board because he was in disbelief that it was speaking in Japanese.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, when it was like selling something he knew what it was gonna be, he was like, Oh no, no, don't you creeped him out.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, no, he was not okay. He was not okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, okay. Yeah, I see. We'll give you an extra hundred.

SPEAKER_00:

Don't leave. Oh my god, that is insane.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, like like that experience actually made someone that was a skeptic a believer. Wow, he was a good one.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, he I think another thing is that I like to do is whistling and the appalacian. Oh guys.

SPEAKER_06:

Oh, okay. What happened?

SPEAKER_01:

Supposedly you're not supposed to do that. It brings like horrible spirits foot, Wendigo, Windagoes, yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Like So wait, whistling and what?

SPEAKER_01:

The Appalachian Mountains.

SPEAKER_04:

The Mountain Rangers by you guys. Yep, yeah. Really? Uh because we uh you know, actually it's funny. Driving here, I actually passed a crossing for Appalachian Trail.

SPEAKER_06:

Ooh. Do you ever see anything?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right on right in Vernon. Yeah. No, I mean it's just like a crosswalk because you know, it crosses the street, the Appalachian Trail. So like, but like I mean, I've been on the Appalachian Trail like many times in the daytime, especially yeah, in the daytime, especially as a kid, because I was in Boy Scouts and like I think the Appalachian Trail like passed our Boy Scout camp, so we'd like go on like a partial like hike or whatever. But but like, yeah, I never went there at night. Like that would be crazy. That would be a good thing.

SPEAKER_00:

You know what is though too? I think for us over here, sorry, Luke, I think that for us over here, we're so used to seeing deer and stuff in the chairs and the side that we're not even paying attention anymore to what's the movement, yeah. Yeah, to whatever other movement was just a deer that was over there, you know? Or maybe a little bit. Yeah, but that would probably be way different.

SPEAKER_05:

You know what? And that's probably that's probably a good thing for you guys too, because there's one type of like entity that's out in the mountains there that like you're not supposed to pay attention to. It's like the the shadow guy that kind of watches. Oh.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, that's like a what it's a native folklore too. So what do you mean? So like even if it tries to communicate with you, you gotta ignore it and not pay attention to it at all.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, you just don't take notice of it. We saw it there when we were driving through Pennsylvania. I think that's what we saw when we were up in the Appalachians with uh Sia. Yeah, you see?

SPEAKER_04:

No. I wonder if that's what they because my my son, he loves Minecraft and Enderman is like a shadow character, and if you look at him, he comes towards you. So I wonder if that's what they based on.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh is he kind of like a cylinder, not really like shoulders or anything? Yeah, he's like tall. Yeah, Slender Male, yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Almost like Slender Man, but yeah, just like solid black. Yeah, Slender Man. Yeah. Maybe actually that is crazy.

SPEAKER_00:

That's what I'm saying, dude. I'm not gonna I I I'm good. I'm good. You know what it is to well because I've I've had my own experiences growing up. Like, you know, we've talked about over here before. So that then for me, I'm not trying to instigate any kind of real communication because I'm good. I'm good, you know, as long as we're not fighting. You've had experience without anything. Yeah, yeah. That's the thing. I've had the experience without having to inspect. You know, I'm saying instigate as far as like asking questions or to move anything. I'm not saying like, you know, argue with a, you know, or or you know, get get crazy, you know, like speak now. Like, I'm not talking about that. I'm just saying, like, you know, I haven't had any, I haven't tried to have any kind of conversation or communication with so that then for me, you know, I'm just like, okay, I'm gonna go this way, you know, I'm just new to know I'm like gonna you guys would absolutely you would love the Chinese investigators.

SPEAKER_05:

Like over there, the culture is like if you see a ghost, you're supposed to curse at it and try to fight it.

SPEAKER_00:

What really? What for?

SPEAKER_04:

Right. See, no, I don't know. Like it's like I guess they believe that like it can't they like you can overpower like you know, you like you face your fear kind of thing and stand up to it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. I gotcha. Yeah. Well, you know, it's cu it's nice when you see different cultures and how they respond and how they deal with these things. You know, that's not how we always do it. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00:

So now here's the funny. It's funny that you say that because when I was living in Florida, I used to work the overnight. I get home and my girlfriend was in the house, the girl I was dating at the time. And laying in the bed, I'm trying to go to sleep. And I felt something tickling my feet. I thought it was her. I'm like, do me a favor, please. I know I'm just tired. I want to go to sleep. She's like, Yeah. She says, Stop. I'm like, what? And I look over and she was sitting at the head of the bed, right by my like right by my pillow, sitting curled up, you know, her holding her legs and she's staring at the foot of the bed. I'm like, what's the matter? She goes, I'm not the one tickling your feet. I'm like, what? Oh no, that is not right. God's honest truth, man, no lies. I'm sitting here, I'm telling you the truth. I look down to the and I see this dark shadow. It was it wasn't like a it wasn't like a super like a thick smog or anything like dark shadow like that. It was a light shadow. So for a hot second, I thought it was just a reflection of something coming in from outside because it was still morning time. And like I said, I was I had just gotten home from the overnight shift. And I was like, and I looked and I was like, uh, if you don't go away and stop tickling my feet, I promise you, when I die, I'm gonna find you, I'm gonna beat your ass. It did. And I and it kind of like just like it stopped, like it stopped, it almost like stood up, and she looked at it, and she kind of my girlfriend kind of like sat back a little bit more, but looked up toward the ceiling, and then it just kind of like just kind of like fell back and disappeared into the closet. I was like, all right, cool, it's gone. So yeah, and then she laid down. So, but still, it was because I was super tired that I was brave enough to do that shit. I'm not spirit.

SPEAKER_05:

Spirit was like, damn, okay, it's cool.

SPEAKER_00:

Sorry. It's creepy. I sleepy out. It's like I'm not messing with these Brooklyn guys.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Listen, if you don't get it, we're gonna give you a bait.

SPEAKER_05:

You understand me? That's why I can't hang my feet off the side of the bed.

SPEAKER_04:

Really? Yeah, same thing. I don't like hanging my feet off the bed either.

SPEAKER_05:

Something's gonna grab you.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm with my feet off the bed all day going and off the bed. I'm at I'm done. Well, what about when we were talking about?

SPEAKER_05:

I've seen too many horror films.

SPEAKER_03:

Right, yeah, too many, for sure. Right.

SPEAKER_04:

But even when I was a kid and like, you know, I was I I would I would I think the the the dog the dogs from Ghostbusters were gonna eat my feet. Oh, the hellhounds. Yeah, the hellhounds. I thought a hellhound was gonna Oh my God. Ghostbusters.

SPEAKER_05:

I think there was there was a story about like I think it was a home invasion kind of story where w a woman thought it was her dog like in her hand while she was hanging off the bed. I didn't like an Urban Legend. Yes, yes, Urban Legends. There was like some guy underneath the bed. Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh my god. See? Yeah, but again, I believe so, you know, for me and my upbringing, you know, I have a big super spirit that's my like guardian angel. So I trust in my guardian angel making sure that nothing's gonna happen to me. You know what I'm saying? So for me, I have no problem, I have no problem with my hand over the side of the bed or my foot, you know. I walk into places like at my my job, you know, I have keys to get in. So the place is pitch black, and I'm just walking in there without the lights on and stuff, and people are looking at me like, oh, you just gonna do that? I'm like, there's nothing, what? Let's go. Come on. You know, now we hear things, I'm telling you, the building I work in is haunted. We I we smell cigarettes because there was a gentleman that used to work there. I remember you mentioned that on the episode, yeah. And we he used to smell he was a heavy smoker, and every once in a while, either around his birthday or the time that he passed, we would smell the cigarettes for a few days. You know, meanwhile, nobody there is smoking.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, remember what happened when when Irene passed, my cousin recently passed. Oh, that's right. I came home to the house, cigarettes, and she smoked cigarettes and it stunk like cigarettes in the house. Now I'm an ex-moker and I know what cigarettes smell like. And I I looked at my wife, I'm like, you smell that, right? She's like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Isn't that very interesting how smell can like like linger or just like kind of show up out of nowhere? Like a very I don't know. I I don't know how to explain that. It's like scientifically, too. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Well, what about perfumes or colognes? Right. I have those too. I've smelled my grandmother's perfume, and she passed when I was like freaking 14 years old, a little bit younger.

SPEAKER_03:

If I smell mothballs, which you don't smell a lot, my grandmother always had them in her closet. Jesus, I hated them chicks. Uh yeah, I know, but it's a smell that I recognize and I knew what it was always from. So you know what's the first thing that pops in your head? Yeah, that person. Yeah. Boom. That is everybody And of course I found my grandmother when she passed away. Oh. Oh. So that's what it is. So I when she my mom asked me, it was Father's Day. We were supposed to have dinner for Father's Day. She said, Go upstairs and see if your grandmother's up there. But before she had that, she had me run it to each store all over the block to figure out where she might be. So I wound up going up and my mother said, by the time you got out the door, I knew you were already upstairs, because I was what, 13, 14? Right. I flew up those stairs. Yep. And I found my grandmother. She looked like she had had heart atta had a heart attack, tried to get up, but didn't make it. So yeah. So whenever I smell the mobbles, which you don't really see a lot or smell, right? Nobody really uses that. But when you get it, you're like, oh, grandma.

SPEAKER_00:

You know exactly what that is. Exactly. Yeah, that's crazy. Now, with you guys, how what was the first experience for you that made you say, you know what, this is what I want to do. I want to, you know, just well, this is this is just what I want to do.

SPEAKER_01:

I think for me, it's uh a cluster of a lot of shared experiences throughout my life. I used to have them with my mom, and when I say shared experience, I would keep this information from myself. Like one night I saw this big old black mask like appear in front of me and had a weird light inside its chest. And I thought maybe 'cause I was a you know a kid, I was imagining it and it just dissipated. But that morning my mother was crying to my grandmother, saying she saw a shadow person with a light in its chest staring at her at night. So like things like that. And also I I have this weird thing where I freak out technology.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, she's one of those type of like cleverly people.

SPEAKER_01:

Like I I literally went to fitness or 24 hour fitness and he was like, Oh, sign up right here, and it was a computer monitor, and I was like, Oh, I'm gonna break this. And he's like, It's just your name and email. And when I did that and I entered it, the whole screen went black. And like it wouldn't start up again.

SPEAKER_05:

Whoa. Or technology does not like her. I can I could I could definitely verify that.

SPEAKER_01:

Or when like I uh was leaving back home from Japan, for some reason they have these electronic baggage claims where you put your checked in baggage and it was working for everyone, and when I go there it said error, and then I the Japanese man was like, Oh, let me help you, I'll move you to this next one, and it said error again, and it had to do it manually. So things like that.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, if you think about it, right? Those like like when you're doing the investigations, right? Those EMF frequencies, right? Don't like like it's gotta be tied into something like along with lines, you know what I mean? So like the EMF is probably messing up the computer, like it's uh there's something with like the spirit world and like musical frequencies. So like if you're if if you're a medium, I I could I I could totally see how that would you know mess up electronics and stuff like that, if that's you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05:

You like create your own magnetic field around you as like a survey person. So like that's I feel like that's why a lot of spirits are attracted to her because she has like such a huge like amount probably coming out of her like thessal. Yeah, just out of her aura and it's natural for you. Right. So it freaks out tech and all that kind of stuff. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

We talk to other mediums that have the same issue too, and they say that they feel like a walking battery pack for people. That makes sense. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_03:

But because don't they say that when they do some investigations that a lot of the times the entities will use the power from either the cameras or something? Don't they like lose battery power right away? Like this I just charge this thing and it's gone.

SPEAKER_05:

Right. Right. You know, kind of it's it's happened to us. It's completely happened to us. But then there's a thing we call we all call this a paranormal hangover. It's literally like the next day, dude. You guys you feel so drained, like just physically and like mentally drained after an investigation, because they're just pulling your energy out really.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh yeah, I can imagine. You know, it's interesting too, is I know you guys talked about it recently on the podcast, but you guys were talking about some uh UFO stuff and some extraterrestrial stuff, right? Oh yeah. So it's funny because if you look up more recent stuff about that is they kind of tie in together if you think about it. Like because you have like the psionics who are like same thing. Like they're like kind of like clairvoyant or you know, maybe able to attract telekinetically, you know, or whatever. So I it's probably I would I think it's gotta be on the same lines.

SPEAKER_05:

No, we definitely believe that one thing we noticed with research that a lot of rocket scientists were also a part of the occult. There's a lot of like a cult occultists that were rocket scientists back, especially during like the whole like fifties and sixties, like when that was a fun fact.

SPEAKER_01:

You guys know the movie The Exorcist, everyone knows that movie. Right. And that's actually based on Little Boy, the actual little boy. But what people don't know is that after that whole endeavor of being possessed, quote unquote, he started diving deep in fascination of space, and then he even joined NASA right after.

SPEAKER_02:

Wow, no idea.

SPEAKER_01:

So what was possessing him? Like maybe an alien was possessing him.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, that's so we think that maybe like spirits we have like a lot of different like theories, like okay, maybe they are extraterrestrial, maybe they're interdimensional being right, yeah. Like we don't know exactly what who we're talking to. Like, I mean we did an investigation at Skinwalker Ranch and Oh, it was it was cool. We had that we definitely had experience, but like our equipment was like setting off like the MF protector was coming off in frequencies. Wow. Which is really weird. And then we've got EVPs, but we don't know if we're speaking to an like a dark spirit or possibly something else. We don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

That's insane. I think it's just for me, I I I like I said I get a kick out of watching it because it's only because for me it's uh just knowing that it's like you know, I guess it's like that other dimension, or or you know, just the afterlife, or like you guys just said, you know, it could be something from uh just a different dimension. We don't know who's from coming from where. They say Bigfoot. So I watched that uh Finding Bigfoot, I think the name of the show. And they I mean, you know, you never know how much of it is real, I guess, but it looked like there was a shadow walking on the other side of the uh the uh river that they were on, uh and then all of a sudden it just uh disappeared. And it was in front of the trees and it was so it was in front of the trees between where we were like the people were the cameras were set up and looking, and then it just literally just disappeared. It looked like they walked into like a portal or something. Yeah, a portal or something. Like you couldn't see and just disappeared.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm like you know, like a lot of people a lot of people believe that Bigfoot is an interdimensional being. That he like goes into like portals.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, that even goes back to like local native lore too. Right.

SPEAKER_01:

Harry May.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, like uh we have a friend we talk to quite often. He's a him and his family are investigators over in New York by Buffalo. And we met up with them before we went to the hemp sale. And I don't know if you guys know that place or not, but it has a lot of crazy stories to it. Really? But he would tell us about six foot siding scenario and how he really believes that they are interdimensional and the whole native lore to it is related to that. Yeah, I don't know, right. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Same thing with Abominable Snowman, which I think right they might be. Or Windigo, they might all be kind of rel no, which is a Yeti man that's over here. Yeah, is Windigo and Bombable Snowman the same thing? Yeti usually or Yeti. Yeti, that's the right Yeti.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Have you guys heard of the human being?

SPEAKER_05:

Oh yeah, that's a recent thing we just found. Really?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, we didn't know that that existed.

SPEAKER_00:

See, I heard about the sort of thing.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean it might be like a Soviet thing.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh really? Yeah. I heard about it on a show the other day not too long. Yeah. I just heard about that one too.

SPEAKER_06:

Freaky looking.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. But that's the thing. So now they also say too, a lot of the stuff, uh, a lot of things that people see are manifestations of the of asking for it. You know, like Slender Man, you know, you're putting that out there and that's the one. Yeah, you're projecting that and that's what you're getting back. Could this be the power of the mind at that point? Well, because I'm saying now, what if it's that it's the spirit, you know, that you like you know, you guys go out and you'll investigate, but then because of what we're putting out, uh that little bit of fear or you know, letting our imagination just run get the better of us, that that's what the image is. That that's what whatever spirit is really showing us.

SPEAKER_01:

No, maybe manifesting our own entities. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

You're welcoming unf unnamed and unfaced uh entities to places that are.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. Yeah. You could be doing like we spoke last time, you could be doing it without even knowing it either. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yep. You know, that's what you got to be careful of. What you say sometimes.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, yeah, you know, be careful what you wish. You can only run so fast.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_00:

For sure. So now when's the next time you guys think you're gonna be out on this side of the country, out on the east coast?

SPEAKER_05:

You come here often? Oh we haven't been there often. We did take a trip to Pennsylvania where we drove around, went to New Jersey, New York City, we went to Suki Hollow. Yes. Uh also one night we checked out oh gosh, it's like an abandoned village up there. It's kind of a little past Suki Hollow. Oh.

SPEAKER_01:

But we haven't gone there often. We do want to go back to the street.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_01:

It depends on finances. Right. You guys are all the way on the other side.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, and it's actually cheap it's cheaper to fly to Japan than it is to over there. Really? Welcome to New York.

SPEAKER_00:

Come on, that is funny. That is funny. Yeah, well, because I mean, you know, there are so many places here that there's a lot of you know, and and so many abandoned like psychiatric hospitals. Oh, yeah. Um, like you guys said.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, you guys have a lot over there. Yes. We're jealous. We're jealous. Over here in LA, if if it's abandoned, it's like full of people that want to stab you.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, see, hours are so scary, people don't want to go in there. Yeah, you know. Like, where was I was Lynchworth? Part of the Yeah, that's it. That's the Lynchworth village. Yeah, okay, yeah. So I've been there. I've driven past it. I've actually driven through it. And yeah, bro, listen, you feel the people, you feel things somebody is people are looking at you as you're driving through. Oh, yeah. Really? No lie. Yeah, I did it. Matter of fact, I did it this past summer. I was driving past.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, it's like it's like a hundred or so abandoned buildings and the whole proximity.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it is bananas.

SPEAKER_05:

How old are they?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, so well that was like in the 70s because late 1800s? Yeah. So late 1800s to the 70s and all the same. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the 70s is around the time that they closed it, because that's where Geraldo Rivera went and reported that it was uh all uh they were treating everybody badly and whatnot. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, they did a lot of bad stuff there to people.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep. Then you have what's the other one? Mohawk Mountain.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, Mohawk Mountain, yeah. That's in uh uh what what what what what uh what city is that in? It's around the Mohawk is yeah, it's not too far from here.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, just before Kingston. But even though they were there, but now people are the are are actually live there. Um not live there, but they visit. Are you guys familiar with the TV show Upload? Upload? No. Well, because Upload is where they film like that's the hotel that you see outside. Mohawk Mountainhouse. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Mohawk. Okay, I'll check that out. Yeah, it's a good idea.

SPEAKER_01:

I have a question for you guys. Uh-huh. My question is, did you see our latest post on Instagram? The red eye entity that we captured? What do you think that might be?

SPEAKER_00:

So we're trying to figure out that out. So for me, I think it was uh somebody watching you.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, I think it was somebody watching you because uh it w it looks like it's looking straight at you.

SPEAKER_05:

Like it's like it looks like a head kind of angled out, like someone kind of lingering around the corner.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, when you brighten up the photo, it you can see an outline of someone.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, see, I'm thinking it looks like somebody like a almost like a werewolf kind of look, I guess, would say something like that. It looked like it has some extra ears, or longer ears, I'm saying extra ears. Some long ears.

SPEAKER_05:

Very humanoid looking. And it's about I would say about five feet tall or so. Whatever that is. Wow.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that's that's insane. But I saw that thing, I was like, man, please tell me that that was something that they just ended up coming across. Like, I don't I don't even understand it. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05:

You know what? We're happy we did not notice it until we got home and went over footage.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, weeks later.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, 'cause that that's literally gonna haunt it. You know what I mean? Like that's gonna come back and you're like, what the hell is that? Like, where was it?

SPEAKER_01:

What's uh what's creepy is that the EVPs we got in that room, uh, they were kind of sounding like children.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah. That was creepy.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it felt like children whispering and chuckling. Yeah, they even said during the investigation, I was like, I hear children, but I don't think these are kids. I was like, nope.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, it felt very uh interesting there. We're like, we tried to leave once and we heard like one of the prayer benches, like the pew benches, someone sat in one of them. You can hear that noise and she recognized it because we went to Catholic school.

SPEAKER_01:

I know that that one's a good thing.

SPEAKER_05:

Wow, yeah, Catholic school. We were about to like walk out and just check out the environment and stuff, but we went back in and that's when we started catching a lot of the audios, and when we left again, that's when we caught that.

SPEAKER_01:

The red eye staring back at us.

SPEAKER_05:

Right. That's so creepy.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, that is creepy though. I think Yeah, we want to go back. When I see the eyes staring at you, you know, right away I think of uh penny wise, you know. Anyway, those are those are yellow eyes though, but still. Yeah, I see the eyes glowing.

SPEAKER_03:

Because any guy's glowing is scary. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Speaking of that, what is your guys' favorite Stephen King film? What what actually which one scared you the most as a kid?

SPEAKER_00:

Pet Cemetery. Pet Cemetery, I don't know how to say the same thing. Pet Cemetery? Yeah, the shining. Louis the Shining.

SPEAKER_04:

Shining. Shining?

SPEAKER_03:

The Shining.

SPEAKER_04:

Shining scared me, but Pets something about Pet Cemetery just creeps.

SPEAKER_03:

That was just that was just with the kid and everything. Yeah, that's what it was.

SPEAKER_00:

Hello? Oh, yeah. You put you're burying your dog and the f and and yeah, listen, and it comes back to life. Well, your pet, that's that's scary as dog, get out.

SPEAKER_03:

Remember, that doesn't come back the same.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, they come back all because the they said the ground got sour. They used that's the old man who used the ground got sour. Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Yeah. Later for that, it was scary. Dagnabit, that is misname. Which but about yours?

SPEAKER_03:

I got a bunch of evil Dead is another one for me.

SPEAKER_01:

Evil Dead is another When they come to Stephen King for me, it's the cat's eye, because I don't like that little troll thing coming out of the wall.

SPEAKER_04:

I forgot about it Oh, I love that. I I love that because it's all it's an anthology. But you know which one I haven't watched? Yeah, The Monkey.

unknown:

Really?

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, you would like that. I want to see that. I want to see that. If you like gore, like that's yeah, it's a kind of final for you.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, yeah, it's like that's so bad. So bad.

SPEAKER_05:

But like me, uh, it's not scary, but my favorite King book and movie was Misery.

SPEAKER_03:

Misery. Wow, this is gonna hurt you more mean than it hurts you. She hobbles them. Oh man.

SPEAKER_04:

You know what I will say about Cat's eye though? I love the what is it, Smokers Incorporated or whatever?

SPEAKER_06:

Oh, which is a little gal.

SPEAKER_04:

Right. Right. Yeah, where like like they they put the the the they like that first they they threaten him like with the cat, and the next time it'll be your wife, and sure enough she was there. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01:

Like it was Yeah, that was a good one.

SPEAKER_00:

That is great, man.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, Stephen King has a very uh very uh good imagination for sure.

SPEAKER_05:

I know. Psychological. We've been watching the dairy show too. Okay.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh yeah, we love that. I I I love watching that. That's you know, like I was talking about on the podcast a couple uh a couple podcasts ago about like the they show like the birthing of the stoning of Benny Wise, at least in that year, because I know it's every 27 years, so like that time when showing coming out, so it was kind of cool. Such weird stuff.

SPEAKER_06:

Uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So they speculate that like he's he usually killed kids or like unalives kids pretty brutally, but except for the kids that you know inevitably unalive him is uh there it's because they have the shining or the shining, basically. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_07:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

So that's the whole okay. No, I'm just trying to I I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Like, that's why, okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Right, right, right. Yeah, telling you, listen, it it's crazy because it it I think what messes you up is that then you sit back and you try not to have that thought or those thoughts because of what's happening in the uh in the show. So this way it doesn't happen to you. If that makes any sense.

SPEAKER_01:

You know what I mean? Like Candyman.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. Like I'm not saying Candyman three times in the mirror because as a kid, I was like, where's the line drawn?

SPEAKER_01:

Like, I was so scared to even look at my reflection on the toaster. I was like, is this does that count? Yes, it counts.

SPEAKER_04:

It counts. Wow. Or what about just looking into like a pond?

SPEAKER_00:

You know, no flexion. The reflection there. Yeah. The reflection counts. It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_05:

Yes. Wait, what's what's Japanese horror movie where she comes out of water? Is it like tomorrow? Is it is that is that the ring? Is that the ring? Yeah, yeah. Is the ring because she comes out of water too? Or am I thinking like dark water?

SPEAKER_00:

She was in the wet dark water. She was in the well, so she's always wet, you know? Right. So yeah, it would like this would be the same thing. But yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Did you guys know that like coming back from Japan? We actually, well, Mina had some the ring or grudge type moments of a spirit that we brought back with us.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. You might as well name it. Excuse me, do you have anything to claim?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, for real. Yeah. Yeah, right? Did you yeah, right? Did you have to claim when you got through customs?

SPEAKER_05:

Just a Japanese curse.

SPEAKER_01:

I love that Nick was like, hey, do me a favor, don't be bringing any grudge-like spirits back home. And I'm like, I can't control that. I kept just like, hey, you guys stay here. That's all the one I brought home. Oh yeah. So it was like daytime, and I was putting my collectibles, because I'm a nerd, away on my bookcase. And the bookcase is right up against the wall. And so I felt like something was staring at me when I was taking one of my collectibles off the ground. And when I looked up, I saw black hair seeping back behind the bookcase. Oh he came home and I was like, so So what happened?

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, what happened was And we've been hearing uh noises up in her attic space above her bed, too.

SPEAKER_04:

Isn't that what some that's like right from the grudge, isn't that when they're in the attic? I know. Isn't that the one that goes?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh isn't that the one that goes ah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But why does everybody go in?

SPEAKER_05:

It's time to run out of the house.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_05:

I'm I'm not even kidding you guys, too. It's like spirits in Japan are precisely how they portray them in their horror films. Like how they look, and like I don't know, it's just they they know what they're doing.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

See? Because people saw them. Yeah, but like I said, the people saw them. Before they wrote the story, they saw these. Oh, they did it. They got it from somewhere. Yeah. Have you guys seen those Japanese kernel investigator videos? I have, yes. I've seen like just random ones, yes.

SPEAKER_05:

Like, have you seen the ones where they actually show like where they capture like a woman's face looking at them? They look exactly like the grudge. Oh, that's green, bro.

SPEAKER_00:

That's I see like now that's why they made the movie so well.

SPEAKER_04:

Because they were like, oh, this is what the ghosts look like. But see?

SPEAKER_00:

So for me, I was always thinking. But see, I was sat, I was trying to stay on that whole mental thing, like, you know what? That's just what they did for the TV to make it, you know, just look like that. And now you just turn around and made a state that yo, it's real, bro. It's real.

SPEAKER_03:

So I know I'm not you know, when I was a kid, we talked about this on the podcast real quick, of feeling stuff. And remember, we talked about I lived in Brooklyn. My fo we had an apartment building. My father was a superintendent, and I would work on my bike down in the basement. So we talked about this, and I would always go once in a while, I would get this feeling like something was watching me. You know, and I would run out of the shop and I always told Kenny and Tom, I would run out into the sunlight because for me that was like my safe space. So I would go out there and I would go, but I definitely was feeling something, you know, you just feel it, and I'm like, all right, I'm out.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. See you later. Running out of here. I'm gone. Need us for that, mess. That is too good, man. Well, I appreciate you guys being on with us, man. Thank you so, so, so what what wait before you go? Louis got one more second.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, but what what what else can we expect from you guys? What's uh what's in the future? Anything that we should be looking forward to, or you guys got anything planned?

SPEAKER_01:

So it I believe in December we are gonna launch the video of us investigating the unalive forest in Japan. And then uh starting next year, we're gonna go to Mexico City to do Island of the Dolls that night.

SPEAKER_05:

Nice. That's very sad and tried to back in La Lorona.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yes. Oh you guys are bugging it. So yeah, Yorona, you guys are crazy. I'm glad I asked. Yeah, did Yorona that's the one that she's gonna be there. You're gonna see her.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh man. And yeah, that I'm looking forward to. We're gonna be having another paranormal team or two join us on that investigation. Yeah. And possibly it's fantomi.

SPEAKER_01:

From yeah, Lindsay from It's Fantomi. Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

By the way, if you guys come up this way or some other time in the future, uh uh Full Moon Paranormal is another parama paranormal group that's up here. So if you ever want to pair up with someone else up here, we've actually had them on our podcast as well. And I actually went to the house.

SPEAKER_05:

We probably followed them already. You probably do. Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

So, but they are up here, they're local, and they've done a lot of different things, a lot of different places. Probably a lot of places you already know about, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_05:

Would you guys like to join on paranormal investigation too?

SPEAKER_03:

Sure, why not? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I'll watch. Yeah, yeah, I'll sit in the van. I'll be the chauffeur. I got you. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

No, I'm gonna say, it'd be like uh, what's his name in the van? What was the guy in uh Punisher? His his his sidekick that was in the van all the time.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, with the with the cameras going and stuff.

SPEAKER_04:

He had like a name like Power Up or something. I'd be down for it. Yeah, Tom Bro Chip or something.

SPEAKER_05:

You'll be uh you'll be home based.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah. Todd will be. I got snacks, I have to do that.

SPEAKER_03:

Then you will do that, and Tom and I will join you. Definitely for sure.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh yeah. I'll put salt around the van this way.

SPEAKER_03:

We're all safe with the I'll make sure I bathe in uh holy water before I come.

SPEAKER_00:

I got the spray water of the holy spray. Yeah, some stage and stuff. Don't worry, I got you guys on the way back in. Yeah, no problem. That is funny as hell, man. But yes, fixing some stage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. Absolutely. I'm gonna start practicing tomorrow. I'm gonna start looking at stage.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, it's on order. Yeah, thank you guys. Yeah, we're more than happy to come on the show whenever. Yeah, good. Absolutely. Yeah, that'd be great.

SPEAKER_04:

And if you happen to be in the area, uh when you you can come on for a live recording too, you know? Yeah, come down over here.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, man. Hang out with us, you know. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, this is fun. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_05:

We have to get some get some good food too.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, and by two. We got to. Yeah, so tell us what you want. Absolutely. Look forward to that. This is like the eating corner. Thank you for the good one. Yes, you too. You too. Thank you, thank you. Thank you. Bye. Bye bye. Yes, so that was awesome. So uh thank you everybody else for listening. Thank you for watching. See you on the next one. Love peace and hair, grease. Live long and prosperous spooky.

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