The Phantom Menace Rewatch: Was Episode I Secretly the Most Important Star Wars Prequel?

You can feel the weight of it: 16 years of waiting, camping out for tickets, and building a perfect Star Wars movie in your head. Then The Phantom Menace arrives, and half the fandom cheers while the other half asks what they just watched. We go back with fresh eyes and talk about why Episode I still sparks arguments and why it’s also one of the most important “setup” movies in the entire saga.

We dig into the stuff that defines the prequel era: giant-scale world building, Coruscant and the Galactic Senate, the Trade Federation, and the Jedi Order at its peak. We debate Jar Jar Binks, the idea that Star Wars is made for kids, and how tone can make or break a blockbuster. We also don’t dodge the uncomfortable parts, including how certain character choices and accents read today compared to 1999.

From Tatooine to pod racing, we follow young Anakin Skywalker at the start of the Darth Vader road and ask the hard question: did the Jedi create the problem they feared? We talk attachments, Mace Windu’s skepticism, Qui-Gon Jinn’s “serve the Force” approach, and why one loss changes everything. Then we hit the high points that still slap: Darth Maul, the double-bladed lightsaber, and Duel of the Fates as a true Star Wars landmark.

We wrap by ranking Phantom Menace, shouting out how The Clone Wars, Rebels, Ahsoka, and The Bad Batch add context, and dreaming about what Star Wars should do next, including a proper Vader limited series. Subscribe for the rest of our Star Wars rewatch, share this with the friend who hates Episode I, and leave a review with your Phantom Menace ranking.

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Phantom Menace Hype And Letdown

Tom 0:00

Imagine waiting 16 years for a Star Wars movie, camping out overnight, building it up in your head your entire life, and then this is the movie you get. Live from Crawford Studios. What's up?

Keny 0:19

Well, today's combo looking looking.

Tom 0:21

We are back for the fourth part of our series of all the Star Wars episodes, our Star Wars rewatch. Yes, ma'am. So we are diving into the prequels. Yes. So this is we're gonna start with Phantom Menace. Right, sir. Now, I do want to preface this, okay? Now I know this movie gets a lot of hate, but I will say this was a big this movie was a big deal when it came out because it was 16 years from Star Wars. Yes, sir. People had not started there was an entire generation, my generation, right, that did not see anything Star Wars in the movie theaters. So this was like a big deal. We grew up with Star Wars, we saw Star Wars, I remember Star Wars, and then we get the prequels. So and the thing was is it was mentioned, you know, things from the prequels were so briefly mentioned, barely mentioned, you know, like how uh in episode you know one, you know, Obi-Wan mentions you know, Anakin Skywalker, and then you know, some of the stuff about the prequels dimension, but it's like about dimension of the Clone Wars. No one even knew what the Clone Wars was. Right, right, right. And then now you have a whole series about the Clone Wars. That's right. So that was kind of cool that they were able to backtrack and do that. So it was a big deal. All right. So I know and and also I do it on another uh one other preface about this is that like George Lucas said it over and over again, like Star Wars, he made the movies for kids. So yeah, there's some cheesy shit. Yeah, you got Jar Jar Banks, you know, whatever. You got the you got the the battle droids with the Roger Roger. Roger Roger. You know what? It's whimsical. I fucking love it. I don't give a shit. I like it. It's a fantasy, it's cool as shit. Right. I love it. I love it. I love I you know what I've grown to like stories that he comes up with. It's yeah, Jar Jar Banks is annoying, he's a little cheesy, but you know what? He grows on you after a while. So I don't care what anybody says. Yeah, he g he grew up. What was the reason for him being in there? So again, so like George Lucas made it to be more of a kid's movie. He was supposed to be like a fun, kind of cartoonish type character. You know, he was uh Nobody nobody liked Yeah, nobody mean Jaja Beanks?

Lou 2:32

Well, because he was like the clumsy character, you know.

Tom 2:34

And kind of like got annoying after a while. It's like they want to get more a lot some people want to get more into the serious stuff. Too much whimsy. I thought it was a little too whimsical. Right. I I thought it was good. I thought it was fine, honestly. I thought it was just the right amount of whimsy. Yeah, yeah, right.

Keny 2:48

Because it was like, you know, it was the beginning of all the stuff.

Lou 2:52

I don't know, man. It well, yes and no, because I don't know. I think you needed him. Only because when they were on um, the new fans, is that what it was? No, no, because when they were on Nabu, he was their their liaison, if you will. Because he took them down to go and see because they needed to get down to to underwater where he where Jar Jar was from. I forgot the name of the freaking city. But anyways, had to go down to the little city and he introduced them to their king. You know, um it was um Jesus Christmas. Obi-Wan and um uh Jesus Christmas. No, not Anakin man. It was Obi-Wan and what's his name? Went down to Nabu to go talk to uh Oh, you quite fight on Ju Pai. Yeah, the way I had a freaking brain fart, bro. Fight on Jin, he would have to fight on Jin. And anyway, so he was so you know, that's why Jar Jar was there. He was the one that was taking them there to go and speak to the man and Liam Nissan. That's what she said. Yeah, well, Liam, he was doing this. So that's why I think he was needed. You know, they didn't need to have somebody who was so because they wouldn't have been up on the surface. Nobody from the water city would have been up on the surface. Okay. That then they needed, you know, they wouldn't have even like really know where to go. They needed somebody to talk to to get them over there and introduce them and shit. So Jar Jar to me was a necessity, you know what I'm saying?

Lines For Tickets And Seats

Keny 4:04

And besides, it's the first one, it's the movie, the first one, and of course it's gonna be all weird and rest.

Tom 4:10

This was a big deal. People camped out for tickets. Yeah, they did. Right. Yeah, this was a big deal. I remember my brother and I went to go to the movies, and like we saw it like the second weekend, and the like guy in line was like, How many times did you guys see this? And I was like, I saw it three times. I was like, I was like, that's when I learned that Star Wars was like had like serious fans. Like I didn't know back then because like we didn't have the internet yet. I but I know we did, but like we didn't know not like it is now. Like I didn't know that there were like that kind of Star Wars fans out there. I was like, wow, this guy really likes Star Wars. Yeah, since my brother is like, I didn't realize, like, now I'm one of those people.

Lou 4:48

Yeah, he's actually, yeah. I started four times, man. Where the hell you be? You're not a real fan. Put the bunch of old Jesus. Yeah.

Tom 4:54

So anyway, yeah, but uh, you know, it was a big deal, you know. Uh there the tickets were selling instantly, people were buying them ahead of time. Even then, people would walk, you would and back then it again, they didn't have internet sales, I don't think, yet for movies. It was the internet was out, but it wasn't it was early. So people were actually going to the movie theater to buy tickets ahead of time.

Lou 5:14

And I was there ahead of my so my if my show started at six, I was there at like fucking four waiting online because I wanted to get decent seats. Right. You know, and I didn't want to sit too far to the left. I wanted to sit in the freaking middle. Front. Yeah. Or the front. Yeah. No, no, I didn't want to be in the front. Yeah, I hate the front. Yeah. I was either like middle to the back, and I needed to be in the middle. You know, yeah.

Tom 5:36

This wasn't just a movie release, this was an event.

Trailers Before YouTube Existed

Keny 5:38

Right. Yes. Yeah. It was a prequel. I remember going, I took my kids to go see it. And I think it was in Monticello too when we saw it. Yeah. It was good. Yeah. I remember doing it. We already I had already seen Star Wars and grew up with it. So I knew you know, I didn't, but I didn't know what the first two or first three comics were about. Right.

Tom 5:56

You know, we kind of knew at the end of the other movie, but and don't forget, this is this is like uh early like trailer culture. And people would I remember people were people would find out that the trailer was out, and this is before YouTube. You could you couldn't just go watch a trailer. The internet was out, but you couldn't watch trailer. People would actually buy a ticket for another movie just to watch the trailer and then leave.

Lou 6:19

Get out of here. I never heard that, bro.

Tom 6:21

Never heard. Yeah, people were so into wanted to see the trailer so bad.

Keny 6:26

Oh, maybe they would. But they would go purposely to the movie. Okay. Maybe they'd stick around.

Tom 6:32

Let's see if this movie's worth it. Yeah, yeah.

Lou 6:35

We're good.

Tom 6:36

That trailer was sick as Yeah.

Lou 6:38

Yeah. No. That's funny. I've never heard of that.

Tom 6:40

Before YouTube, before TikTok, for any of that shit. Oh yeah, it was way before that. There was the you know, it was it was the early days.

Keny 6:46

It was still flip phones, I think, at some point.

Tom 6:48

Yeah, but it was still the early days of internet. Like you would even if you were to sit down on your PC and you know, dial up you know, yeah. You couldn't there was no L you know. So do you know how long it would take to watch a trailer? Yeah, it would have it would you have to sit there, it's like 20 minutes to wait for the thing to load just to watch a three-second trailer.

Lou 7:11

You can put your shit dial up to get to get connected, right? That's funny as hell. No, I never heard that before, Tom. Damn, bro. That's insane. I yeah, no, I never did that shit, but yeah.

Tom 7:25

People know what to expect. You know, they had all this headcanon going on. You know, you know the term headcanon, like where something is like, oh, I believe it to be this way in my head. Like, you know, of what like they perceived and then they actually got it on screen, and it was probably much different. Right. Much better as far as especially in the license. When you hear when you hear like uh when you hear like the clone wars, you don't even know what that means. Like had no idea. Yeah. Especially back then. I don't was clone even like a regular word.

Lou 7:54

78? Well, yes, because it was that's wasn't that around the time they're talking about cloning the uh the sheep?

Tom 7:59

No, that was in the 90s.

Lou 8:01

Yeah.

World Building That Sets Episode Three

Tom 8:03

You know, like yeah, so you now you got all that stuff starting to build up. And again, and and and that's the other thing I I want to talk about too, is this movie is a big world builder. You know what I mean? Yes. And I mentioned that in other episodes we were talking about this, is like the for the prequels. I truly believe that episode three is the main story that needs to be told. Right. Like, but you can't tell episode three without having episode one and two.

Keny 8:29

Right, because it tells it leads up to that story.

Tom 8:31

And episode one heavily needs to be. I mean, there's so you have to introduce all these new worlds, all these new people, all this the core they didn't even show chorus on the city. Yeah, right. That was never in the the in in any of the original trilogy. Like this all these new planets, all this it all had to be explained.

Lou 8:49

Yes, you know which was great.

Keny 8:51

Yeah, yeah.

Lou 8:51

And I got into it immediately, you know. Yeah, because then it brought a little bit more, I guess, clarity. Right. Yeah, right. Then it brought clarity to that stuff to the to what the Senate was about.

Tom 9:02

Yeah, especially because you know what the other thing is too, right? In in New Hope, remember, and it's such a thing that is so briefly explained, and they go back and it just fills all that is when you know the Imperials are meeting, and I think one I think it's when Tarkin and he says something like the uh because they mentioned the Emperor in the first episode. I mean in in New Hope, but they said something like uh the Emperor has dissolved the Senate, uh, all power is going to him. Right. They mention that and they're like, no one knows what to happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. We're like, wait, what? It's so blazed over. And then they go back, yeah, and now you see all that happening. Right, right. Exactly. And then you see the Senate, Galactic Senate, you're just major building, this enormous building, you know? Mm-hmm. So uh yeah, so like it's got it's also this movie is generational spirit, you know what I mean? Uh kids loved it, OG fans felt conflicted, you know. It did get a lot of hate in the beginning, but I think it made sense.

Keny 9:57

I think so the prequels did get a lot of hate in the beginning. I feel like a lot of the hardcore oh, what are we gonna say, Lou? Yeah, because what's his name is is uh Darth Vader. They weren't a lot of people were not happy. They didn't like Hayden Christians, yeah.

Tom 10:08

But now they love it. But that's the thing that what I want to say is like it got initial hate, but I think after people really let it the dust clear, I guess. Right, is like they kind of like it now.

Jedi Teamwork And Lightsaber Tricks

Lou 10:21

Right. Yeah. I I like the movie. I I thought it was pretty cool. It was nice seeing the prequel for me. I liked understanding, like you said, the whole thing, just that build-up, you know, to see how it was that Anakin became Darth Vader, to see how he was manipulated and right, to see how Qui-Gon was, how how Obi-Wan was, to just watch all the characters grow. I thought that was great. To see what it was for for the just the whole just to see all that stuff beforehand, you know, when there was quote unquote peace in the galaxy. You know what I'm saying? Before it got all kind of crazy and the shit. You know what I mean? I thought that was I thought it was all I liked it, I liked it, I liked it a lot.

Tom 11:00

So let's dive into the movie itself. Yes, let's go. So the first uh movie, uh the opening scene, you see two hooded characters come back. Yeah, I don't know who they are, and they pull their hoods off. Yeah, and you see someone who looks like Obi-Wan, but he's not Obi-Wan. That's Qui-Gon. That's Qui-Gon. Because the first time I saw him, I go, that guy looks like kind of looks like Obi-Wan with the long hair. Yeah, you know, he's got long hair, but he's got the beard, but no, that's Qui-Gon Jin. And then the young kid next to him is Obi-Saint. Right. So now that kind of gives you. Yeah, and and that kind of gives you now uh like a um like base kind of gives you immediately a good foundation for the movie because there's a character that you know, right away you're anchored. So I think that was very smart on their part, but it shows two people you've never seen two Jedi together. Yes. So that was kind of cool. And like right away, I mean they I thought the scene was pretty cool because right away you see that like they're prepared, they're well they're a lot more well prepared because this is in the era when the Jedi Council exists and all that. Yep. So like remember they get gassed out, they already got four. Yeah, yeah, they put the breathers on, they're ready, not fucking around. They get locked out of the wall. What do they do? Put the plunge lightsaber in, cut out a hole. You sh you know, yeah. This is stuff we never saw before. It was so cool.

Lou 12:13

You could use the lightsaber for that? What?

Tom 12:16

It could do that? No way. It was one. That was so cool because they always said the lightsaber could cut through anything, but you never no one I and that was something I was like, how come they don't use it to cut around doors and stuff? Yeah, when to get in place. Like, how come how come Luke didn't use it to get into like uh depends on the thickness of whatever, you know? But like, but like now you got to see that in action, which is cool, you know.

Trade Federation Voices And Stereotypes

Lou 12:37

Yeah, it was great. Yeah, because that was a good scene too, but when he did that, he put it in, he's like, you know, why they're they're talking shit to each other. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, yo, watch my back. It's like, well, what do you mean watch your back? I gotta take care of you again. Well, just do what I'm saying because I'm trying to get through this door. This is like everyday thank you for that shit. Yeah, it's like, yo, hurry up, man. If they're coming up here, there's more drugs coming. It's like, just hold them back. What's wrong with you? Like, what are you waiting for? Like, just dude, I taught you better than this. You could get it. I'm almost there. Yeah, it was great. I think that was probably one of the coolest things for me. Uh, how much they were talking junk to each other. And they were just like literally just talking straight shit. Well, I wouldn't have to do this if you didn't do that. Well, I didn't have to do that. Yeah, right. That was that was what was so cool. Yeah. That was so cool.

Tom 13:16

So you got the Trade Federation, right? Yeah. Uh I I can't help I I'm not trying to steal from another podcast, but there's another podcast that was making a joke about this. How like how racist it is. Because like, you're like, oh, I got the go get that. Oh, you know, like it made them sound like Asian as fuck. Yeah. Fucking racist. Yeah. I'm Jamaican. Yeah. Oh, good.

Keny 13:45

So fucked up.

Lou 13:46

And they did. Yeah. Well, I and that was I think that's why it was so funny too, because that's people.

Tom 13:52

I understand why they did it, though. Why? Because they were trying to like make people feel like they're from other worlds, like they have a different accent. Like they're not not everybody has an American or English accent. Because up until then, like everybody in Star Wars either had an American accent or they had a British accent. Right. So they're trying to show you.

Keny 14:11

So now they're showing little varied diversity of the world. Yeah, yeah.

Tom 14:14

They're expanding the universe a little bit now. Right. So I get that. It just sounded so like you know.

Lou 14:21

That's so crazy. And it's funny. That character was weird as shit, too, man. Nothing, nothing. Yeah. There was a bunch of them, because well, I wish you get to that part.

Speaker 3 14:28

They kind of even looked Asian to the Trade Federation people, right?

Tom 14:31

They looked like they could be smoking in like an opium den. You know?

Keny 14:37

Wait a minute. Isn't that a character at the Star Wars when um when um what's his name is driving the uh millennium falcon, and it's that one guy who's looks Asian, he's got the hat on, he's got the crazy look and face in the movie, and they're and he's talking to back and forth with one another. No, he'll get it. Luke, uh what's his name will do? It's Star Wars. Uh what do you call it? Uh retarded the Jedi. Jedi. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tom 15:01

I know who you're talking about.

Keny 15:02

But they're the same species.

Tom 15:03

I don't I don't know, but I'm saying that he was also Asian looking in the. I think that's the same species, actually. They're the same species as whoever the uh I know what you're talking about. He's got like the bigger ears and the wide eyes. Right. Yeah. Oh, I think they're the same species, actually. I think I have to go back to the.

Keny 15:17

It sounds like he was speaking sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they're the same.

Jar Jar And The Kids Argument

Tom 15:21

I think they're the same species as the as the Trade Federation. Okay, okay. That that's probably how they that that was that would be a smart part on theirs. They show someone who's a in the future. Yeah, right, right, right, right. Makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, so now we get past that scene. Sorry. So they get to Naboo, right? Right. And uh, you know, you got you got Jar Jarbanks right there. Yeah. You know, he's he's clumsy, he's he's he's getting them into trouble.

Lou 15:44

Yeah. Uh but you know that shit was funny too.

Tom 15:46

He's he's clumsy as fuck. That's just who he is. He's George Reban. You know, uh, I I he grew on me. I I I I'm gonna say with most fans, I didn't like him at it. Really? Ah, it was it was just so cheesy. But then I think I just didn't get the character, yeah. It just didn't make sense to him. I thought he was good. He was a little too whimsical at the time for me. And now I kind of he grew on me. I like Charger. I do. I do like it. No, I didn't like him at first. I'm not gonna lie, I'm still not crazy.

Lou 16:13

I liked him. I thought he was cool, I thought it was a cool addition. But again, like I think I just thought he was a cool addition. Yeah, me, sir, yeah. Me, sir, I help you, sir. No, you follow me, sir. You don't go there. You know, I just thought it was cool because, like I said, he was just I I I like the idea of him being as uh uh I I will say whimsical, but being that kind of uh, you know, uhts, you know, and trying to come and help them in because he's heard of the Jedi and he's never seen a Jedi, you know, and he just wanted to help and he wanted to be there, and you know, they kicked him out, they kicked him out of his home. He was exiled. You know what I'm saying? That's right. I I thought that's what I'm saying. I thought it was goddamn clumsy to like get this on the stuff. Yeah, exactly. That's what it does.

Tom 16:54

That's another that guy's whimsical as fuck. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. The king.

Lou 16:59

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I I liked it. I I just liked it. I thought that Jar Jar was fucking great.

Tom 17:04

Well, but that's just so like, yeah, I guess you know, there's audience expectation versus like intent, right? Right. They intended it to be more made for kids. Audiences, I think the kids probably liked it, but the adults didn't. But again. Again, that's what George Luke says time and time again, I made this movie for kids. Right. You know, adults like it too, but like it's intended for kids. So you gotta keep that in mind. So if you don't like George Airbanks, you're not a kid. Yeah. I'm just saying. You know what I mean? Yeah, you guys might. I'm still five years old.

Keny 17:32

You might like them. You're seeing the same thing about Star Wars? That's for kids as well. Star Wars, yeah? The whole Star Wars thing.

Tom 17:37

Yeah? I was a kid when I didn't see it.

Lou 17:42

It was supposed to be just that side. And then when I saw the other thing, and you know what? Yeah, but then you started but they started making the stories to where it was like, oh. Yeah, and it was more adult stories. Oh, yeah, well, yeah.

Tom 17:53

Well they got smart as they realized that they got adult people still.

Lou 17:57

And then they had a following, so it became now they they learned.

Tom 18:01

But I'm saying when that came out, George Lucas was like, Well, I'm still making more.

Lou 18:05

Well, now I have a question, okay? Since you're, you know, you've read on that stuff more. Like I know what I know because of the movies and little shit. But then the comics and the and the the novels, yeah, yeah, they were serious. They weren't. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? They weren't like it wasn't a comedy skit. Yeah. So then I don't know. I mean, why would you have to do that?

Tom 18:21

I don't know if he made them or he they just bought rights to them. I don't I don't know.

Lou 18:24

I thought he wrote, I thought he had a lot to do with the stories. You I don't I don't remember. I don't know. That's why I asked you.

Tom 18:29

I know I'm just going by what that one thing that is not making it. That's funny.

Lou 18:32

Because I mean, like I said, the comics, the stories, the the the comics and the novels were still on that serious line. You know what I'm saying? They were, you know, it was like, you know, fighting the rebellion, you know, fighting the man, and you know, the rebellion, uh, um, you know, losing people and trying to do what they gotta do to make you know life better in the galaxy. So that's why I'm I'm like, Yeah, to make it for kids. The first one, like I said, all right, fine, I'll go along with that. You know, episode one, you know, I get it to be. But I don't think that even the in the 70s, the first Star Wars, I don't think that that to me that wasn't a kiddie movie. And you know what I'm saying?

Keny 19:06

That that wasn't uh uh team between Princess and and Han Solo.

Tom 19:13

Or maybe that's George Lucas backtracking, saying he maybe he wanted the prequels to be more kid. Oh guy, yeah.

Keny 19:18

But I think well it kind of helped, and then it wound up going in the direction it was supposed to be. Right.

Tom 19:25

So the next scene you got Tatooine, right? Yes. And the introduction of Anakin Skywalker. The chosen. So uh one of the big things that uh that like you see now is that like slavery is like a thing in the galaxy. It's you know, it's fucked up. You got like this whole thing going on, and even during the it's funny because it's still supposedly in good times, and it's still, you know, they still have that. So that's the thing. And and so you got Anakin Skywalker and his mom. Um they're both like like they're they're like slaves to like this guy who's like a cross.

Keny 20:01

How were they introduced to them?

Lou 20:03

Were they looking for them or were they just No, they came up they they uh landed on the planet and because was it something happened to the um On the Trade Federation when they they had to they had to drop in from the Right from the Backside and they had walked in. So they were happenstance when they came up and they found Anakin it was happenstance.

Tom 20:19

Okay. Yeah, the force brought it together and brought them together. So so this is Qui-Gon and um I don't I don't remember I'm trying to remember how he how he makes how he finds out, realizes he's the chosen one.

Lou 20:33

Because he to he he says that the force is strong with him. Yeah, then they checked his Metaclorin code. Yeah, yeah, they did that. And then he's like, oh shit, yeah. Like, yo, this guy, he like this kid is serious with it. So they stayed there, and he's like, yo, I have to finish I have to do this race, and they were like hiding out because they were, you know, they were there for other stuff, and then that's when they stayed there long enough for the race.

Tom 20:53

So this is literally this is the beginning of Darth Vader.

Lou 20:56

Yeah. You know what I mean? Right as a boy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As a small boy. Because had they just left him there, there would be no Darth Vader.

Keny 21:03

Right. And you kind of learn how Or if they'd taken his mother with him as well, then maybe that would have been the difference because remember, he leaves his mother behind. That had to have an effect, and it did. Of course. Right? Right.

Tom 21:16

And that's and well that's that's the problematic that's one of the things that that is problematic with the the Jedi Order. You know, a lot of people say is that like, you know, they pull family children away from their families. Right.

Keny 21:27

So But at least if they were able to free her from slavery, is what I'm saying. And where they they went with them until they got her safe, and then he went and trained. And then he could, you know, who would know how's it how that would have turned out, you know, when you think of it that way. But it didn't happen after that.

Lou 21:41

Yeah, yeah. I get it. I hate it. I mean, yeah.

Tom 21:44

And and the cool part is too, is you kind of see and and that's the thing I love about the prequels, is it adds value to the original trilogy. After you watch the entire prequels and you watch the trilogy again, it's completely different. The original trilogy is completely changed. Right. So, like and it's not the backstory. You know the backstory and all Also, like you learn how uh like Vader is you like when you see Vader riding the uh advanced TIE fighter that he's flying, you realize he's such a good pilot. And then you learn why he's a good pilot. Even as a kid, he was already flying everybody up in the pod racing, you know what I mean? So you learn that, like, okay, now that adds val that's that that adds value to his piloting.

Lou 22:21

That's who he was because everybody thinks that he's just a robot. Nobody really they saw him like, you know, when they when they see him at the in uh Return of the Jedi, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Not Return of the Jedi, yeah, Return of the Jedi when his mask comes off or whatever, like, oh snap, like there really was some human left, yeah, yeah. Like there was still that right human look in there in the background. So then now, like, uh so now when you see him as a kid, like, yo, now you've now you're vested. So now you want to know who Darth Vader was before how he became here. Was he always evil? Was he always a bad guy?

Keny 22:50

And I think again, that goes back to the mom thing, because if he had that yeah, yeah, well support or whatever.

Lou 22:58

Well, and now, and I mean that would guess for me another question was like how many of the other younglings came from slavery? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because away a lot. But that's what I'm saying, because if the if a lot of the other ones all made it and they were there and they were they was they were doing what they needed to do, they're doing legitimate families, too. Right. So then, but if they weren't so I think that because Anakin was pulled out of slavery and that he couldn't see his mom or whatever, yeah, like you know, like you said, you know, he couldn't see, but that he was pulled out of slavery, he had to go back and say and just get her and bring her back. Because they said that he could they when he asked, they said he couldn't because he needed to train.

Tom 23:34

And he needed to not have attachments. Right. He can't have that kind of attachment. Which ended up being a problem later on, as we find out.

Keny 23:42

So that's you know, that's why we keep going back and forth on this thing. So that plays a lot into it, I think. Right, right, right.

Podracing Talent Midichlorians And C-3PO

Lou 23:46

I'll go, I'll give you that. Yeah, I'll give you that. We have to, I think. Because I mean they when he found out that his mom had died, that's when he really that's when he really bugged the fuck up. That went too far, sorry I skipped. No, no, it's all right.

Tom 23:57

And you know, and with the um with the so with the pod racing, right? We find that that's his natural ability, that he's already in tune with the force through the pod racing, because apparently humans are not good at pod racing. Right. Because they don't have like the reflection, reflex of right. But he is because he's got the force, he's using the force. So he knows it without knowing.

Lou 24:18

He's just doing it without even understanding it and realize because that's when we also see that he had already started building 3CPO. Yeah, that's right.

Keny 24:27

He built 3CPO. That's what's so totally. But he built R2 yet. It was 3CPO. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's what's so crazy about that too, because it's how it goes full circle.

Tom 24:36

No, I thought R2, R2 was in the beginning, wasn't it? He was in the beginning with the very first with Obi-Wan and Yes, yes, yes, it was it was only C3PO.

Lou 24:45

Yes, C3PO is who he built. Right. Uh R2's been there from the beginning. Right. R2 was there from even Yoda knew. Yeah, right. Even Yoda knew him. That's right. Yeah. So then, like I said, that's why you said with the with as far as him with the force, they felt that he had the force. They can sensed that he was super strong. And that's when they checked his metaclorin count and that they saw that he was, you know, because before they even bought him over, they went back to go talk to uh to Yoda and them. They went to the council and spoke on him before they did it. Yeah, you said.

Tom 25:18

So uh, you know, the Jedi said something was off, but handled, I think they handled it wrong. Yes, you know what? So so this so this is like the brain of the movie, right? So, like, you know, the the council, they don't trust Anakin. And especially Mace Window. Mace Window. Yeah, bro. He didn't want to hear none of that shit. And you know what? Was he wrong?

Lou 25:36

No, he wasn't. He was on.

Tom 25:38

Yeah. So I would say they should have trusted Mace.

Keny 25:42

Especially especially because Mace Window, his personality was he used both the the dark and the pod. Yeah. So he was probably able to send something that everybody else didn't. Right.

Lou 25:54

Because he was able to balance the right too. But I think that had, like you said, and this is why I'll agree with you 100% off of this part, that's where they should have bought his mom.

Tom 26:03

You know what I'm saying? No, that's the that's where they're problematic. Right.

Lou 26:06

So whole attachments, attachments. But still, because of him and how old he was, when they took him from his brother.

Tom 26:12

You're right, they should have.

Lou 26:13

He was already too old. They said so. You know what?

Tom 26:16

You're right. So if he's too old, maybe they should have thought that maybe they shouldn't have attachments, but maybe they should slowly detach. Like Brenda's mom and then kind of like it.

Lou 26:27

Or say her goodbye. Yes, and if you bring her to the city, get her settled in someplace where he knows she's safe.

Keny 26:32

Right.

Lou 26:32

Take her out.

Jedi Attachments Mace Windu And Qui-Gon

Tom 26:33

And then, all right, say goodbye. No, we'll see you when you're older, something like that. Maybe some shit like that. Because if they would have taken her, and think about it, if they would have taken her. But that is the problem with the Jedi Order. Right, yes. Dogmatic on the rules, and they didn't even understand them, I don't think. They were just like, oh, you can't do this because that's the dark side, don't do that, don't that, dark side. You know, like understanding that there's there's some fucking nuances. Yeah, exactly. So you've got to change. It was just overkill. Because it you know, and they don't even trust Qui-Gon the Jedi Order. Right, yeah, because they took him out of it. I would say, you know, a lot of people talk about Qui-Gon Jin and that he was more he wasn't so far, he was more light side than the Jedi was because he was a uh he kind of like saw himself as like a servant to the force itself, not like we're hardcore dogmatic to the Jedi is like, no, I'm just I'm I'm a servant to the order, and this is what I'm this is what the I mean, I'm servant to the force. Right. And this is what the force is telling me. Right. Like I'm not gonna oh light side. Search your feet. The dark side, like we're going by what is feels right.

Lou 27:42

Right, right, exactly. Yeah. And that's it, and that's why I'm saying, bro, if they would have because he and like I said, they said so in the movie that Anakin was already too old.

Keny 27:51

Right.

Lou 27:52

So then, you know, it's like, well, do we really want to do that? It is weird because Luke was way too old. Well, because but they it's because of the the by the time they were finding Luke, right? This is already way past everything of the you know, with the Jedi hiding. Right. You know what I'm saying? This is already after um order uh. Right.

Keny 28:10

Don't you remember even Yoda said it to Obi-Wan when when Luke first finds him, and then he's uh oh, but he's too old. I don't know, I'll learn, I can do it.

Lou 28:18

No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not when he found him. Because Obi-Wan was always there with Luke. Because they knew him as old Ben. They didn't, you know, old man Ben over there. Yeah. So he already knew. So Ben already knew who Luke was and was just trying to protect him. Right. And but so now, like I said, so now at all that time and all that stuff from the original Star Wars, that's when um like all the all the uh Jedi were already throwing out, you know, but I'm talking about when Luke found he was supposed to go and find Yoda.

Keny 28:47

Right. Right? He finds Yoda, yeah. Right, and he finds this crazy cranky guy. We talked about this on the last podcast, Steve, and he's going through his shit, throwing it around, uh-huh, being obnoxious and everything. Right. And of course, Luke is acting like a big child and dah-da-da. And then you see the Yoda come out and say he's he has no discipline or he's too. Then he does mention that he's too old. Yeah. Right. Okay, he's right. Yeah, he does say he's too old. Yeah, he was too old. He just doesn't want to, you know, he's trying to I can do it. You know, it's begging him, oh my god, I didn't know you were Yoda.

Lou 29:18

I did forget he said it like that. Yes, you are right. Yes, you know right, yeah. Because he's talking to Obi-Wan, you can hear him talking back.

Keny 29:23

Yeah.

Lou 29:24

And and you're right. And so that then had they I don't know, ma'am. I'm still stuck.

Darth Maul And Duel Of Fates

Keny 29:28

But they were able to do it because see they they had no choice in the matter anyway. Right. At that point. Like you're saying, because the Jedi Oda was gone. Right. There was not uh not a lot of them left. So yeah, in that sense, you're right, absolutely. Because now they have well, it doesn't matter. We have to try anyway. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And he wound up being uh dangerous. Yeah. Powerful, I should say.

Tom 29:47

Yeah, it does. But guys, then you got the final battle scene, which is with Darth with a you know, they finally get to see Darth Maul. Because they showed him in other parts. Right. You know, you even see him talking to I which I did we didn't touch base on the first time you see uh Darth Sidious, right? Which is upper Palpatine later on. Right. Um, but you do see Sidious and you see him talking to Darth Maul in the scene. But but we do get to the Darth Maul battle, and that's an important thing. And that's uh when the uh you know this is where Anakin loses his the mentor he actually needed, which was Qui-Gon James. Yes, absolutely. So that's the mentor he actually needed. I mean, yes, Obi-Wan was enthroned right as his best, yeah. He did the best he could. I don't think he was ready. He wasn't ready, but he did the best he could. But Qui-Gon was the one he needed. Right. You know, and that was an important thing that a lot of people it would have been a totally different series if uh it would be kind of a boring series, actually, if Qui-Gon didn't die. Well, because then he because then it's a good thing. Well maybe if he died differently and not necessarily. There would be no Darth Vader, you know what I mean? It would have been a different but the point is But um you know, and and of course, you know, the very famous song that's where you first hear the Duel of Fates. Yes, yeah. Battle of the double screen. Which is funny because I don't think you I don't think that's you don't hear that song in Attack of the Clones, but you hear it again in Revenge of the Episode Revenge of the Sith, the famous battle scene.

Lou 31:09

Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, yeah. We'll get to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Wait, you're talking about which one you're talking about?

Tom 31:16

No, he's talking about Revenge of the Sith. We'll get to the bigger. Oh, yeah, yeah. So no, that's but uh that lightsaber. So now this was crazy because this is the first time you saw something that was a lightsaber that wasn't because he had a light, you know, the the the bow, you know, but it was basically a bow, a staff.

Speaker 3 31:34

Yeah, right, a staff. Yeah. It's like holy shit. I guess this is something we've never seen before. And and it's red. Yeah, so we know what the fuck that's two of them connected. Yeah.

Lou 31:45

But he's super powerful. So right off the bat, because of how he's fighting, yeah, we're already thinking that this is he what he's more powerful than Darth Vader will be.

Tom 31:54

Yeah, yeah. We didn't know, you know what I mean? And he's like this fucking devil-looking character. They made him you know, with the red skin and fucking tattoos on his face or markings. And and that's before we really knew anything about the expanded universe. I mean, it's cool we learn later on that he's from the plainlight Dath Mirror, which is what the Rancor is from. We mentioned that before. Right. And and then you and then if you get into the Clone Wars, the Expanded Universe, they have like Dath Mirror Witches. There's actually witches in the Star Wars universe. So people who don't anyone watch this who doesn't really know the expanded universe, definitely Clone Wars is cool. And if you watch even Ahsoka series, you see the Dathmir Witches. So that's kind of cool. They're from Dath Mirror. Anyway, just uh just figure I'd point that out to anybody.

Lou 32:33

Not next, but that's coming up, that's coming up too. But no, and and that's why watching and seeing that's that was our taste of the dark side.

Speaker 3 32:40

Yeah.

Lou 32:40

You know what I mean? Of what was because you heard them talking about it or whatever, and you're like, wait, what? And then how you said you see dark more, you're like, what the fashion?

Tom 32:49

And an important thing to notice too, if you ever do watch um like the Clone Wars and Rebels, is uh that scene of how he kills Qui-Gon. That's very important how he does because he tries doing that move to Obi-Wan later on. Right. Um Rebels and Obi-Wan sees it. Yeah, he's old man Obi-Wan, by the way. He's he looks like he does in episode four, and he that's how Qui-Gon, how Maul actually dies. Yeah. Technically, before anybody spoiler alerts. This whole episode is spoiler alert, so hopefully you're but but you know, Maul lives.

Lou 33:19

Oh, you'll find out if you watch Clone Wars. Yeah, but uh it was wild because they just started showing that again. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, and you watch this is already a series about still, so yeah. Darth Maul thing is is uh on Disney Plus. Which is pretty good. Yeah, it's a good series so far. It was so cool because they have it in a few, and it's funny because in the animated series, they have Darth Moore in different things in um two different uh the animated series, they have them in two different ones because they're showing what they had to do for him, and then now what's coming out is when it first happened. Right. You know what I'm saying? When he first got killed or cut.

Tom 33:51

Right. So yes, Phantom Menace uh didn't just introduce Anakin. What the fuck? Anakin Yeah, so Phantom Menace didn't just introduce Anakin. Right. It introduces the fall of everything. Yes, right. This is the fucking first domino falling. Yes.

Lou 34:08

Yep. I don't know. Do we want to say the first domino fall? Because I'm saying like this is the beginning, like this just shows you who's who.

Tom 34:14

Everything's coming into place. This is the beginning of the end. You know what I mean?

Lou 34:18

Yeah, all right. Okay, I'll be able to do that. You know what I mean? Everything's come into place.

Tom 34:21

Qui Gon dying, right? You got Anakin being introduced, who ends up being Vader. Right. You know, um, you even have Senator Palpentine being introduced into the mix and how he's kind of getting uh Sith Lord. So kind of working his way politically, starting to work the political ladder. Yeah, I think it's uh it's the beginning of the end. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Uh which episode three being the end. Right, right. You know what I mean? To the uh whole whole way of life of everybody in that movie.

Keny 34:52

But don't everybody in the fact, you know, quiet. Obi-Wan winds up kicking uh what's his Darthmall's ass. Oh, well, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. He loses now he loses his lightsaber, or was it was it? That's Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan loses his own. Because then when the doors were closing, right?

Lou 35:10

When those forced doors were closing, and then he gets Quier. Yeah. He jumps up, gets it, and then he does his step. Yeah. And that's what he did. He uses Qui-Gon's uh uh lightsaber. Right. Yeah. That was such a cool, like, and he so smooth, bro. Darth Moore was like super smooth, like, yeah, you don't want none of this. He was toying with them. And because he thought he had that upper hand, is why his ass got cut in half.

Rewatch Value And Ranking The Movie

Tom 35:34

Right. So, so question for you guys is this a better as a rewatch than the first time?

Lou 35:39

Yes, I think so. What do you mean as far as Episode one?

Tom 35:42

Do you think it's the first time watching it was better or a rewatch is worth better? It's always good when you rewatch.

Keny 35:48

I mean, even now, yeah, right? So if you always learn more of something, yeah. I didn't see that part. Oh wow, I never realized he said that. Or there's always something that you're like, oh, I didn't even if I listened carefully, they were talking about this, or yeah. But yeah, I think a rewatch is always good. Yeah. Especially when it didn't get uh great reviews right away. Yeah. Well what do you it did well actually?

Lou 36:09

It did okay, but it actually did good, but it was still like you know, people that keep like Tom said, people diehard star fans, Star Wars fans will die shit on stuff.

Tom 36:17

Is it a better rewatch or is it a better Oh definitely the first time watching it? Because there's so much world building, you don't even it's so hard to under comprehend everything that's happening in in the Star Wars universe. And then if you watch all the other Star Wars movies and then you re-watch the first movie, now it's like oh more stuff kind of makes sense, more stuff fits in a place better. So I do think the first time watching it is a little confusing because there's just so much new stuff to take in that like you can't like you de it's a movie that's definitely worth a rewatch, and I think people should give it a chance and like stop like hating on it so much. It's really it's worth it's worth a rewatch, especially now they roll out and you can see them again. And so now here's a question I got for you guys. Okay, so there's nine Star Wars episodes. Yes. You know, let's say ten. Let's say ten. We'll include rogue rogue one. I want to include rogue one in there. I was gonna count Rogue One. So that's ten movies. So that's ten movies. Which what do you mean? So on a rating of one to ten, and you and meaning like of the Star Wars movies, where does it fall? From one to ten being in in in the order of Which movie? Being like Am I picking a movie or am I picking the whole series? So so so where does Phantom Menace fit on that scale? If if you had to rank them all, where would Phantom's Menace be on that scale one to ten?

Lou 37:33

I'm gonna say shit. I guess on the scale of one to ten I would have to say four because in the order that they came out in. You know what I mean? So I like and I dug the part that a you know that that was the prequel and it explained a lot of the shit that happened in, you know, four or five six. You know what I'm saying? So for me, I would say it being where it is, it being the fourth movie release, I think that that's where it fits. I give it a five.

Tom 37:56

I get it five, I put it right dead in the middle. I'll say six. I say five. I say it's important because of the world building, it's important to set the story up.

Lou 38:03

Yeah. Yeah.

Tom 38:04

But you could technically start with episode two and just be like, oh, but it would be hard too. It was not it would be too hard. Yeah. I take that back. But no, I do I do still think episode five. I think it's world building. Right. I think it's dead in the middle. I think it's I don't think it's you have to introduce the other characters. But it's also not most important. Right.

Lou 38:25

What do you mean? No, you don't think Phantom Menace was was as is important? No, I said I don't think it's the least important, but it's not the most important.

Keny 38:31

Yeah, but it's dead in the middle. There were other stories, stories to things where it wasn't just that particular story. There was other stuff. So that made it really good. Yeah.

Clone Wars Bad Batch And Loose Ends

Lou 38:44

And then it just took off. It was so amazing. That's why like I'm I'll say this, bro. Every time it comes up, everybody needs to watch the animated series or the shorts. You need to watch them because it'll give you so much like me watching all the animated series, right? Watching all the sideshows, the Ahsoka and whatnot, as I'm watching it, it's putting all the other movies into perspective. Right. Like it's like when you watch the Bad Batch, when you watch the Bad Batch, and you're like, well, what the hell? How come these clones are the way that they are? And come to find out, there was a glitch in their in their um their mind thing.

Keny 39:22

Yeah.

Lou 39:23

And that that it was they were burnt out. So they were already. But didn't they get them out?

Keny 39:27

Most of them didn't.

Lou 39:28

Later on. Later on. They did they all that came out later on. That's why you gotta watch Bad Batch. Right. Because that's when well no, I'm saying not you personally. I meant, you know, that that's why people have to watch them.

Keny 39:38

How many seasons were that, by the way?

Lou 39:40

Uh Bad Batch was, I want to tell you, three. I think it's three or four seasons. I might have to watch one more.

Keny 39:45

Yeah.

Lou 39:45

I only did one and two. I think I didn't do three yet. And and it shows you how they stayed in touch with some of the Jedi.

Keny 39:52

Right.

Lou 39:52

You know what I mean? And you're like, oh, because they knew where they were. And they were the ones who were sent out, and then you start to see other clones that had their own personalities.

Speaker 3 40:02

Yeah. Right.

Lou 40:03

But whatever happens to that young kid that they're taking care of. They never show, so they don't finish. And that's one that I wish that they had. I wanted to. Yeah, that would be cool. You're talking about Omega? Omega, yeah. So you don't know where, like I'm saying, but they didn't show it. Didn't she have the force or something? No, she didn't have the force. They she was the original that they wanted to make the clone off of. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So she was the special one. Like she was the perfect specimen of the clone. So she was them, you know, the clones. She was them as a youngin'. Like they were trying to make her, you know, have her grow and not just like I'm ready, full adult clone kind of thing. But they never showed what happened to her later. Okay.

Keny 40:37

That's what it's like. That's open-ended.

Tom 40:39

They might go back to that. It's open-ended.

Keny 40:41

Maybe. I saw a nice cool thing that I that I forwarded to both of you guys, the Mace Window, where he's older. Yeah. That shit was so crazy. It was and it looked like it was like something they were gonna do. I would be like, that would be awesome.

Tom 40:52

I would love to see them do that where like he lives. Right. So then now here's the shit. He could have lived. He made high jumps like that in Clone Wars. If you watch Clone Wars, you see him do it.

Lou 41:01

Yeah. So he could that's right. Because when he jumps off of the when they were fighting and they were in the arena, they came to go save Anakin and Obi-Wan and whatever. He jumped off.

Tom 41:10

Oh that that's in the Attack of the Clones, but even in Clone. Yeah. He jumps off.

Lou 41:15

So he could do that. And then he was still. That would be cool for him to come back. Yeah, well, you should do stories like that. And that's what I'm saying. That's why you have to watch what he was. He could have like landed on like a moving well, right? That's what I was going to say next, because you look Oh another building. Well, so you have when uh Anakin and Obi-Wan, when they were going, Anakin jumps off of the uh spaceship that they were on or whatever when they were chasing, remember when they were flying through the city and and they were jumping from Oh, an attack of the clothes when they were trying to find the sniper? Right. And they would you know they were flying and jumping off of shit. You know what I'm saying? So Windu, being who the master that he is, was that he was, and how you gonna have Darth Moore survive getting cut in half?

Keny 41:56

Right, and that's it.

Lou 41:56

And that you're not gonna have Mace Windu who's got a fucking OG, and he's not gonna survive. So I went to hide it because he heard what happened. Well, because but I'm no no, I think he got his ass kicked like he was hurt. You know what I'm saying? He used the force to save himself from you know being just killed or taken out.

Tom 42:11

Well, the fan theory is that he could have had like amnesia or something.

Lou 42:14

Right. They go you saw that too? I was gonna say that next little shit. I got it. Really? Yeah, they said that. So he got down there, you know, he forgot who he was because he was knocked out. Some people came, whoever it was, I forgot who his fan thing was, but that you know he was taken, then he didn't know who he was, but he knew he had the force, but he was still trying to remember who he. That's what that that picture you sent us. Yeah, so then it was him trying to find, and because he's borderline, you know, dark side, light side kind of shit, that it was him with the struggles, and you know, yeah, he was like the punisher, if you want to put it like that. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, you know, I'm gonna protect the weak, but I have no problem with fucking killing you either, because I'm protecting the people that need help. And that's what Mace is. Yeah, I saw that shit. I was like, Yo, yo, that would be so insane. But now here's the shit, the bad part, bro, is that you know, Sammy L's too old to the show. So they could obviously do an animated series.

Tom 43:04

Yeah, but no, no, the point is, is like if they take if it's your do the voice, no, no, no. Just having the voice of the animated series.

Lou 43:11

Yeah, he could do the voice.

Tom 43:12

No, but I'm saying if it takes place like 15 or 20 years later, then he's gonna be able to do that.

Lou 43:17

Then maybe yeah, but I'm still saying I don't know, you think that he would be able to take Obi on you know. No, no, no.

Tom 43:21

I'm saying he'd make an ice cream, like an old like old Miss Win Mace Windows. He's old now. Maybe like is his this.

Keny 43:29

Because they were around the same age.

Tom 43:30

By the time like a new hook comes out, he'd be too he'd be dead. Yeah, he'd be he'd be too old to be alive. That's right, yeah. But he might be alive in the in between. There's a lot of in between.

Lou 43:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're right. It could be because they don't I mean, even the the the fan ideas, there's no him when he died. You know what I'm saying? Like it was just like just when he threw out the window and then that was it. That would you know if they brought him back, bro. I would camp the fuck out in front of the theater and like watch.

Keny 43:58

Just tell his story, what happened to him? What he did, what he was doing. That'd be cool. I'd like to see that, bro. For sure. Yeah.

Tom 44:06

Mandalorian Krogu movies coming out. I know. I don't like the title, though. Mandalorian Krogu. They can't call it something a little bit better than that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Good. I hope it's good. The title sounds like it's going to be cheesy. But see, I'm not. I'm not going to lie.

Lou 44:20

I'm hoping it's going to be good because I like the Mandalorian seasons. I don't like the idea they made the movie. They should have just made another another season. Another series. Why would they do that? They got the serious. Keep the serious. This isn't an anime where you could just turn them around and make the movie like that off of the series.

Keny 44:35

It might do well, man. It might do really well.

Lou 44:37

It's going to do well because people are going to go see it. You know what I'm saying? If it's going to be good, it's the whole story. And people are going to be so pissed off that they're not going to tell you that it sucked. You know what I mean? No, fuck that. If I had to sit through two and a half hours, you're going to sit through and a half hours. Like, that's time of my life I can't get back.

Tom 44:52

Right. I'm more excited about Ahsoka season, too.

Lou 44:56

I've been dying for that shit. Oh, yeah.

Keny 44:58

Oh, and doing an Obi-Wan too. Oh, yeah, that's right. Doing an Obi-Wan.

Tom 45:03

Yeah. I just um I think it's gonna fuck up continuity, but that's all right. What do you mean? No, I don't know. Well, what are they gonna have in is is is Darth Vader gonna be is it gonna fight Darth Vader again? Because now it it's decided to be a good thing.

Keny 45:16

Okay, because you know how like in his travels, right?

Tom 45:19

Did you know how like in uh in New Hope he's like last time I saw you, I was the apprentice. Yeah. But he but he he fought him in the series.

Keny 45:27

So like so they're gonna fight him again. Three times? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But see, I think when they do the really good one, where they're actually fighting, fighting. Right.

Lou 45:38

Like the you know, like they soup that up under the force or whatever. Yeah, yeah. But I think if they make the with this Obi-Wan season, I think what what they could do with the Obi-Wan season is make it um him because now they're looking to find who like where the wheel are where the Jedi are, you know, it's now he's out and he's like, uh come on, bring it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like I think that that's what be his story. I I mean I'm just saying, you know, I think that that's what be that would be Obi-Wan's story. You know, him, you know, yeah, like, you know, him fighting back, him going to different places and you know, fighting the dark side, you know what I'm saying? Him fighting the uh the imperial bastards that they are, you know what I'm saying? I don't know. They'll come up with something. Yeah, sure.

Tom 46:20

I think so. I think they'll come up with something. But like I said, the one series that I really think they need to do and they need to stop dragging their feet on it, is to do a Vader series. A Vader series. Oh yeah. I mean it's so obvious. I mean, even should only be one.

unknown 46:33

Right.

Tom 46:33

No, no, no, one season like five series. Limited series, one series should be like series. Do a limited series, so many episodes, so or right. Hayden Christensen said hell yeah. That's that's what he said. He said hell yeah.

Keny 46:48

Oh yeah.

Tom 46:49

So he's down for it. Right, right. So that's not even a question. Right. And all they gotta do is they could pull from the comics. I honestly think that it would be cool if they did they did the era of of in between episode three and four. You know, you show him and definitely the first episode. I think the best would be where he has to kill a a Jedi and bleed the Jedi's crystal from there. And you just show that scene and then him you could end the episode with him beaming the fucking lightsaber up and you just see the red beam and his fucking mask. That would be so fucking balls, bro. Yeah, you can't be able to do that. That would be so fucking awesome, right?

Keny 47:24

Well, technically it wouldn't be his mask because can he kill doesn't he kill a Jedi when Well, that's what I'm saying.

Tom 47:29

So so the when he's first powering up his new lightsaber with the after he bleeds a crystal, right? Right. It's all hitting the crystal crystal and it turns red, it bleeds. Now he puts it in his lightsaber and he lights it up for the first time. You see the red lightsaber glows on his mask. Right. Credits.

Lou 47:44

But that's what I'm saying. He had his mask when he killed the lightsaber. Oh, that's right. Duh, he did.

Tom 47:49

Yeah, this is this is after he Yeah, because he didn't have a few. He wasn't even full Sith by the time when he fought. That's also why he why he lost the opening. He wasn't full Sith.

Lou 47:59

He was still completely. Right, right, right. He was the suit, but he didn't have his Dark Crystal.

Keny 48:04

I mean, no, no, no. When the first time he fought him, he was still going through the transition. That's what I'm saying.

Tom 48:09

So he wasn't full Sith yet.

Keny 48:10

Yeah.

Tom 48:11

So but I also think it would be cool if they said, all right, we're gonna show the time in between episode three and four, but why not show some some behind the scene like the last couple episodes can take place during the original trilogy. Between episode four and five shows him when he finds out that because that's a that's a major scene. And I know a lot of fan people made some AI videos with it where it shows like uh Boba Fett, you know, coming to and show, oh, so the man who killed the you know, destroyed the Death Star, his name was Skywalker, and then you know that's when Vader first finds out that the person who blew it up is Sky Leaf. Right, you know, like they could show him finding out that he has a son, like that would be fucking cool. And then they could end the series, and that here's my idea. See how Disney fucking take this idea. You can steal it from me. Oh, yeah. So like, and they could show that last scene again, but they could show it now with Hayden Christensen swapped out. I I know it would be controversial, but you wouldn't at the end when he's talking a little eyes. It'd be cool to add that continuity and then maybe show at the maybe like a little show like him um in the World Between Worlds, uh, you know, on the other side, and he's meeting Obi-Wan and Yoda for the first time, you know, coming back and like, you know, I'm sorry, I I fell to the dark side, and they're like, no, you no, it happened had to happen this way. Maybe Qui-Gon explains it to him. You know, it would be cool to show that shit and just end the episode kind of on that high note, you know. Yeah. Because I did see that. Show him how he becomes in between the world, between worlds, like he is in a few. And then they can end then they could end the series that way. That'd be fucking dope. Yeah. They should do it. It would just fucking fill that continuity up completely. Yeah.

Lou 49:48

Because they had a thing. I saw a real Obi-Wan and I mean I'm sorry, Disney.

Tom 49:52

Steal this idea. You can take it, please.

Lou 49:54

Call me. No, but but when Qui-Gon was talking to to to Disney. Stay floating. Come on, let's do it. I'll partner with you. They had Qui-Gon talking to Anakin or to Darth Vader.

Keny 50:09

Yeah. Yeah, that looks pretty good.

Lou 50:12

I thought that was pretty groovy. Cool little.

Keny 50:13

There was one on um on Instagram I was watching. Yeah. And he's talking to him. I'm like, oh, that is fucking cool.

Lou 50:20

He was talking to Matt Smooth, bro. Yeah, it was good. It was good. It was a good shape.

Speaker 3 50:25

But yeah.

Lou 50:25

So anything left? So cool beans.

Next Movie Tease And Sign Off

Tom 50:28

Oh, you know, um, stay tuned. Uh for two more episodes from now, we will cover Attack of the Cologne.

Lou 50:36

Yes, there you go. That's the that's when it starts to get really gritty. Yeah, that's when it starts to get like that action-packed shit. So with that being said, thank you everybody for watching. Like, follow, subscribe, all that other good stuff. Love, peace, and hair grease.

Tom 50:50

Live long and prosper, and may the force be with you.

Speaker 3 50:53

Holla.