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Attack of the Clones is Darker Than You Remember | Star Wars Rewatch
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The scariest Star Wars isn’t always the one with the most tragedy on screen, it’s the one where you can feel the collapse coming and nobody stops it. We go all-in on a hot take: Attack of the Clones is the darkest prequel because it’s the moment the galaxy’s guard drops. The score feels uneasy, the politics feel compromised, and Anakin Skywalker doesn’t just struggle, he starts breaking in ways you can’t unsee once you notice them.
We talk through the Jedi Council’s blind spots and why their “calm down and trust the Force” approach fails a young man who grew up enslaved and never learned healthy attachment. We debate Yoda’s role, the feeling that he senses something is off, and the fan-favorite lore about the Jedi Temple sitting on top of a Sith Temple that clouds judgment. From Palpatine’s steady manipulation to the Jedi getting too close to the Senate, the episode connects the dots on how a disciplined order can still become vulnerable through hesitation, secrecy, and institutional habit.
Then we pivot into the movie’s conspiracy engine: Obi-Wan playing space detective, Kamino’s clone army appearing at exactly the right time, and the wild reality that the Republic accepts a manufactured military with barely a blink. We tie that to what later stories reveal about Order 66, inhibitor chips, and the way Geonosis feels triumphant as a kid but deeply dystopian as an adult. And we don’t dodge the turning point that changes everything: Shmi’s fate and Anakin’s confession about the Tusken Raiders.
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Is Episode Two The Darkest
SPEAKER_03Everybody says episode three is the darkest Star Wars movie. Nah, episode two is where the soul of Anakin actually starts dying.
KenyLive from Proverbs Studios.
SPEAKER_03People go the next Star Wars guest. So uh we are gonna be talking about Attack of the Clones. Now I am gonna say this. This is my honest take on Attack of the Clones, that it is actually the darkest. And I know a lot of people say episode three is the darkest one, but I say nay. I say because if you watch the tone, if you watch Attack of the Clone, the whole entire movie just has this like dark tone to it. Yeah.
KenyLike there's no everything just seems like well, you know he's uneasy to begin with, so that puts it in perspective, doesn't it like it? Yeah, because now you've seen that now you've really seen how quick he just gets caught up in it.
SPEAKER_03So the movie uh feels darker than I think a lot of people remember. If you do a rewatch, you're gonna watch it. This this is just kind of really just dark tone, right? You know, and just even like the way the background music is, nothing seems like yeah, it's way different. Yeah, it's way different. So I'm with you, bro. I am with you uh becoming like disconnected. No, right? The Jedi, the Senate, the Republic, Anakin, everybody's just kind of like everything's falling apart. Everything is falling apart.
SPEAKER_02Everything is falling apart. Everything is falling apart. Yeah, Anakin and Pat May. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like even they're starting like they're having little tips, they're arguing, she's stressing out, you know. He's not liking that she's saying no, you know, like we can't say this, we can't be this way because of where I'm at, you know. You said that the clones, the clones are getting ready to, it's about for the clones to turn.
SPEAKER_03Like the whole the whole entire movie feels like something bad is coming, and I think that's intentional, and I think that's actually pretty brilliant. The next movie. Right. So you know what I mean? Yeah. So I think it's definitely one of those movies. It is a transitional movie, and a lot of people talk about that. It's like a transitional movie, like it's kind of like in between things. Right. But uh, I think it's the darkest one. Yeah, no, no, I'm with you, bro. I'm with you.
Jedi Blind Spots And Palpatine’s Grip
SPEAKER_03You know, Puppetine is manipulating everything. Right, exactly. That's the other thing that's happening. Yeah, yeah. You know, the uh emotional decay, you know, the whole of political, everything's just kind of falling apart.
SPEAKER_02Right. And that's why I think that that's when well, like you said, this is like there's a dark one. This is when everything you just said is is falling apart, but that you can actually see it in Anakin. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like you can actually see like he's just like he's really struggling, you know, and then you know and you can see that all the Jedi masters are trying to like, you know, no Anakin, calm down, use the force, uh keep to the stay life, you know, don't get crazy, you know, don't believe those things.
KenyDidn't Yoda say though something felt off like like he used those words like he he was like yeah, he is, but something is not right.
SPEAKER_02Right, because but see, he wasn't so that was the whole shit that I got a little bit upset with. Even though I'm wearing the the Yoda shirt, Yoda didn't say a lot. You know what I'm saying? He didn't warn anybody, he didn't tell, yo, listen, we gotta keep, like, you know, keep an eye on him, send him over here, kind of thing, but just send him over here. They needed to actually be there with him, they needed to actually be on top of him, like, yo, because he's sneaking off and he, you know what I'm saying, and he's becoming a fucking uh a si. You know what I'm saying?
KenyWell, the Palpatine is working on him, so he's so vulnerable. There's no way he has no experience, he's green in life, so if they take advantage of it.
SPEAKER_02If they would have kept him with the other masters, you know what I'm saying, or kept him in the school, but he wouldn't have been he wouldn't have had a time. Why not? Well, and then you go. I mean, I understand that that's what ends up, you know, making because that's what we said last time, that we said that his masters should have been Qui Gon, not not Obi-Wan. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03And and have the Jedi become at this point way like way too institutional. I don't know. No, go ahead. Let you finish that.
KenyNo, I'm asking, I'm asking you. I don't think so, because I look at the Jedi as like um Japanese ninjas or you know, samurai, right? Of that from you know their art. Yeah. Because of that discipline and all that. So no, I think you need you should have something like that. They were the police. Yeah. But but they were wise about it. They weren't like they were abused or anything. Right. And then of course the dark side took advantage of it and did what they did.
SPEAKER_03They were what kind of like the police, but at the same time, though, I feel like um they got too in bed with the Senate. You know what I mean? Right. Right. They got too much internet. And then with that Cone Wars happening, or which is the after this, they become like generals.
SPEAKER_02Well, because they felt like so. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, that they turned around, and the idea was if they had the vision, vision of the Jedi, right, you know what I'm saying, that they would be able to foretell when and or where something bad was gonna happen, that then they would be able to win a battle to push the empire back. I think that that's why they ended up putting making to me, that's how I heard them, you know what I'm saying, that that's how they and that's what the idea was of bringing the the the Jedi into battle to try to push back all of that, you know, keep the empire back because they were playing dirty, you know what I'm saying? The empire was playing dirty. They had they had the sit, they had, you know, Darth Vader and you know, other little things that were going on in the background. They gotta watch the animations for, but you know, they had all that shit going on. So they needed, you know, the republic needed some body, some people.
KenyAnd that's why they did what they did.
SPEAKER_02They did them off. They did. And then, but see, and that's why I'm saying that's why I thought they knew how powerful they were, huh? Right. That's why I got pissed off with Gota. Because I always it's like he second guessed himself. Yeah, not that he second guessed, he just didn't tell anybody anything. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It was like he knew he had to train Luke. Right, he did just said that one line sentence, you know. Talk to this fucking kid. Let him know what the whole thing, like, let him know what it is. You know what I'm saying? He didn't tell anything, even when he was speaking to Obi Wan. But it wasn't his pupil either. It doesn't make a difference. If you're in the Jedi Council, that means you see, know, feel everything that's going on with your people. So then you should be able to sit there and be like, listen, I'm feeling this.
KenyHe would have one what did you say to Palpatine when he walked in his office? What did he say to him? Didn't he say something to the effect that I should have known or something like that?
SPEAKER_03Oh, you're talking then revenge of this.
KenyRight. It's okay that we go there for real quick. It's a point I'm just trying to make. Yeah, you should be up on it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. And you're right. Then that's what I'm saying. It seems like that. He already knew he felt something off rather than him using because so dig it. If if if uh Jedi were able to sense when each other was coming into their space if they will, then why the fuck didn't he couldn't why didn't he say, yo, I'm finished.
KenySo now he wasn't picking up Palpatine right away for some reason.
SPEAKER_03But he didn't know from who he knew was there. So yeah, here's the interesting word a lot of people don't know, right? Is that the Jedi temple was built on top of a Sith temple. Yes. So, yes, that clouds their judgment, but not because the dark side energy is there mixing with the the light side energy, and it's hard for them to, and that's another thing that like Palpatine kind of took advantage of. I mean, besides his Sith glamour that hid his boots. Wait, wait, wait. Right, right.
SPEAKER_02But yeah, you mean the and and where they where the council was?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Under door. Underground, it's directly underneath. So and I don't know if that was deliberate or they built the Sith Temple afterwards underneath it, but the whole point was is that the fact that there's a Sith Temple directly underneath. Right, right, right. It clouds the judgment. Because there's it's kind of mixing with the light side of the dark side and so they can't masks it.
KenyThey can't like 100% home in. Yeah. Right. Kind of like Superman looking through lead. Right.
SPEAKER_03But see, now that's crazy is that means the Jedi have been weakened.
KenyYou know something's there, but you can't pick up what it is.
SPEAKER_02Okay, all right, okay, okay, okay, all right. I hear that. Right. But there or anywhere that they were because the temple was built there. Because the Jedi had left, Mace Windu had gone away, some of the other masses jode us, he had gone off planet. So then they should have been clearer, you know, clearer clairvoyance when they were off planet.
KenyWell, he knew it when he walked into his office, remember? And he's like, I should have what did he say, what was exactly what he said? I don't remember what it was. Yeah, I don't know what exactly what he said. But it was almost like he I should have known it was you. I think it was you.
SPEAKER_02I could be wrong about that, and just me making that shit up. But still, it was where he was in room off-world, or you know, in different rooms, in different places off-world, away from the temple, that he should have then been able to get it. You know, I understand it's a whole art and whatnot to be able to, you know, hide your own.
KenyBut the sense are very powerful, but aren't they powerful enough? I mean, strong to the point where they could hide themselves, but be there at the same time.
SPEAKER_02They're supposed to be that kind of shit. Because they're taught that. That's what one of the things that they would that um matter of fact, the Jedi were doing it too. Because then uh where was it where Obi-Wan and Anakin were going and they would say, you know, calm down, you know, don't let them know that they're here. Because I and if we go back to um was it return to the Jedi, uh Luke, he knew that that uh when he was going what when he went to the fucking uh when Luke says, Oh, I shouldn't be here, when they were gonna go see um Lando. Yeah. Oh, when he was trained for, but the whole thing was so I shouldn't be here, you know. Why? He knows I'm here. Yeah, yeah. They know that each other is fucking there. You know what I'm saying? But that's me.
Obi-Wan And Anakin’s Tension
SPEAKER_03So yeah, so the movie does, you know, start with the whole Obi-Wan and Anakin dynamic. Because that's another thing that that is important to establish because you know you got the whole brotherhood thing going on. Right, right. So you can see that that they've been with each other a long time. Right. Remember when we last left well last left off, he was only a little weak little kid, and now he is each other in training. You know, they've been with each other a long time. So they used to yeah, master. Yeah, master one, yeah. So so you know, but there's also tension, you know, between them. They're always kind of bickering, like he's always going off the rails a little bit, you know, like the whole thing, like he does, he just drops, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that scene when they're in a chorus on and they just fly in the in the air traffic, and he's just like yeah, he just times it. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02He was the force to time it, so he drops just in time on the sidebar. That's why I say that Mace isn't dead. Yeah. No, I don't think he is here.
KenyHe could have been in air and like woke up and like Yeah, well, not well, because no, because he wasn't passed out. He was just saying he had amnesia or something because he didn't know.
SPEAKER_02They were saying that after he had like, you know, because that's part of like, you know, the the um was it the uh the fan right, you know, looking at it or whatever. Gotcha. So, you know, I didn't read the comics, I'm not gonna make believe like I did. I didn't read the comics, I'd have read the books and stuff. So Obi-Wan genuinely cared for Anakin.
SPEAKER_03He did!
KenyI did his best, by the way, even though we know it could have been cloud quite on, but still he was given the test to do it, yeah. And you ought to have believed in him. So I don't think he failed him. I think Palpatine knew how to manipulate him. And Obi-Wan didn't know what was going on. I think if Obi-Wan knew what was going on, he would have been on his shit immediately. Definitely, definitely all day long.
SPEAKER_02All day, yeah, I 100% agree. Right. But that's why I'm saying that then with that, because Obi-Wan was such a young master, you know what I'm saying, that he then should he was a young teacher, you know, probably gone up and you know, doing other stuff. That's why Yoda or Mace or some one of the other Jedi sh masters should have stepped up. But that's me, that's you know, I'm taking it a little bit personal.
SPEAKER_03They believed in him, they believed in Obi-Wan.
KenySo he did a good job.
SPEAKER_03And when it came to like the Jedi Count Council, like he always felt misunderstood. Right. That he was like being held to what I must.
SPEAKER_02Right. Even that. You will try.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we will try it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and and you're right, you know what I'm saying? And that that's he was that young kid that didn't have a childhood. You know what I'm saying? He went straight from building shit, you know what I mean, be building speech to you know what years.
KenyNot nothing. Yeah, right. You know, I saw something interesting AI generated on on social media where Anakin or Darth Vader, he has his armor off, and it's just him, he's young still, and he's working on his armor, fixing it and upgrading, and Palpatine walks in.
SPEAKER_03That's a popular video now. I saw it too. That's really good.
KenyPalpatine walks in, and now you can see them having an argument. Like he's like, no, I'm fixing it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So and that's what I'm saying. So imagine if they made a military and said they have to have that fucking one-off, bro.
KenyDo you think that did happen though? If they were to do the story on um Vade?
SPEAKER_02Do you think that would be something that would come out? But I don't I think it would have been uh uh argument and then uh you know a little bit of a uh of a push-pull for of power, you know what I'm saying? And then Palpatine would like shut up, you know what I mean? You know, and hit him with a little tapped and laser hands.
KenyYeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. You ever seen that one video where the both of them are fighting and start Vader and him? No, I didn't see that one. And they're both giving off the lightning? No fighting each other. Uh the Palpatine does it, you know, is it stronger or whatever? Yeah, right. See, when it hits him, it gets the spark gets all fucked up.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, see, that's what I'm saying, bro. Man, it's crazy.
KenyDon't don't get me wrong.
SPEAKER_02It's animation up on on uh roll over our Instagram particular money. But I know I love Star Wars, man. I love Star Wars. So, you know, I'm not hating on it. I just wish, you know, now moving forward, because we said, you know, the that having the Anakin story, you know, the Darth Vader story, like a separate, you know. I think that those that that's where my head would like to, you know, like he actually have a conversation with Yoda, like, you know, why didn't you say something or do something or step up? A little bit of the blame game. Yeah, I know. But you know, I would like to see that.
SPEAKER_03No, he doesn't Anakin doesn't really want power at this point, he just wants recognition. And like I feel like the you know, the the the the the the Jedi Council they held back on him because they I feel like they're like the parents who are like, you don't want to, we don't want to tell him he's smart because you know we don't want to give him cover. I feel like they're doing that because they're worried he's gonna go to the dark side if they if they give him too much info, meanwhile, because they didn't give him enough info to the dark side.
SPEAKER_02Right.
KenySo then they're because they protected him, they overprotected him. Yeah. And they wound up making him vulnerable. Yeah, right. Right. And you can't cover everything.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
Attachment Rules And Anakin’s Missing Childhood
KenyYou think you are, but he will miss something.
SPEAKER_02He had already started um talking about his dreams, and he was having dreams of May Dime. Padamade, that's right. So that he like, you know, and that's another reason why people pushed him good segue by the way.
SPEAKER_03Thank you, thank you very much. Good segue because the next section that we're gonna talk about is the yes, right? Because yeah, as you know, no attachments, no relationship. And then he does. You think they've got to be celibate? What's because like, hey, I could go to a brothel, no attachments, there's no attachments. I don't know. That's what a I don't know. You might be right, bro.
SPEAKER_02They might not priests, they're not like no, no, no, no. But because they Who's to say they don't go to brothel and then you know, but because they can't control their emotions when they're younger, as Anakin was. That's why he lost it, because that was his first punani. And you know, he fell in love with it, bro. She put it on him, and you know, that was it. He was back, he was in it, bro. First time I fell in love with it. That's just crazy. He was a little boy when he first met her. Yeah, so she created Rob. She said she was rooming him. Yeah, so this one in a whole different way right now. It's pretty this is pretty crazy. It's pretty uh how old is she?
KenyShe was how much older than him?
SPEAKER_02No, she was still, yeah, she was only maybe uh, I don't even think out of ten years older than him if that okay. Yeah, yeah. She was like, she was I don't think she was she wasn't even a full person.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, she was like a late. She was like a young yeah. Did they ever explain what happened to her parents died or something?
SPEAKER_02I don't know. Don't remember. They might have said it quick fast, but that's another thing. That would be another nice little side story to find out, you know, where she came from. But again, I never read any of the comics. I'm just going by what I never as far as like, you know, the animations and uh the you know, the story, the side stories and such. But you know, I've never I don't even know if they even said it in the in the uh comic books or in the books and such.
KenyThey had the graphic novels and actual Listen, you guys will know way more than I could ever. So I'm going by memory, but I know and remember from these movies and everything.
SPEAKER_03So one of the things is like, so you know, Anakin grew up a slave, right? He then became a monk warrior, right? Right, right. But he never learned like normal attachment, uh, emotional balance, and healthy bonnets.
SPEAKER_02And then you go. And that's what I'm saying. So then that's so maybe if they would have just left him be a boy before they actually trained him, and like go to his body, train him while being a butt, and bring his mom. Like they should have brought his mom to they could have gone back to weekend.
KenyWe talked about this last time, and I said the same thing. They should have brought his mom to be able to.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like why couldn't Quagan be like, no, nothing. Well, see, because he's a Jedi, he's so they're so fucking methodical to the being the light side. He wasn't just like, no, we're we're taking her. Right. Like instead he's like, sorry. No, I'm gonna take them both. She's coming back.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but because he didn't have enough money in his pocket, you know what I'm saying? But he could have been just like Who didn't have enough money in his pocket?
SPEAKER_03We're taking her anyway. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02But the Jedi, he wouldn't do it. Would have had to fight because remember, the Jedi powers didn't work on the what's the name that was there last time. Waddle. Waddle. He did the Jedi goes, those Jedi mind chicks don't work on me, Jedi.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but he could have just been like, no, we're taking her anyway. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean like a little philosophy for the lightsaber. Yeah, right. But that's not the Jedi way. That's right, right.
KenyYou understand that language? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Does that get through to you?
SPEAKER_02Because that would have been great. That would have been awesome. When when the the part of the yellow study. Yeah, yeah. We don't have to go like that. That's why you have to be like that, Jedi. Yeah, that's it. I love that shit. But one of the if I remember correctly, one of the part of the bag when he was going to take Anakin was if Anakin wins the race, that then we get to take, and he's like, You only take one. You cannot have both. Bullshit. It's like, yo, if he wins the race, I'm taking him, and here's the money, we're gonna take her too. Yeah, I would have been like, and if he wins the race, take his mother.
SPEAKER_03The problem is, is the Jedi are already notorious for they they when they when they bring in young uh Padawams that take them away from the Emily's.
KenyWhich I think is yeah, so that's the thing.
SPEAKER_03That's what the Jedi are a little problem. I think that's a good thing.
KenyBut maybe it wasn't Luke trying to change that thing. Because, oh, we don't want to touch one of these. Oh, family attachments. Luke was short, Luke changes it was changing now.
SPEAKER_02Right, but because Luke was older. Luke already is one's older. The experience although the side, so he already knew what it was to do that now at the same time. I think Anakin would have been good had he hadn't known that his mother wasn't a slave anymore. You know what I'm saying? Right, my confidence would have been better. Yeah, he would have had a peace of mind that she's like I know she's safe, I know she's over here, she's living in a new spot, you know. I can't be with her because I gotta be in school, but at least I know she's safe and she's not a slave anymore. Right, and she's not a slave anymore. That's it. And you get to go see her every so often. But I also say too if I was him, it's crazy, it's fucking Star Wars. We're thinking about how it is, like what could Hank and be the good guy? You know what I'm saying? Because he was a decent kid, you know, and then when he was dying as as as um Darth Vader, you know, we're still looking at him like my son, you know what I'm saying? Like he saved Luke, you know what I'm saying? Right.
SPEAKER_03Like that's that's so now you now you go back to um so now you go back to Obi-Wan,
Kamino Clones And The Jango Trail
SPEAKER_03right?
KenyObi Wan.
SPEAKER_03He's kind of being like the the space detective, you know, trying to figure out this whole thing that's going on. And uh that's when he finds out about the clones. Yes, okay. So yeah, he's uh he's investigating uh the dart, right? Yeah. You know, where the you know the dart that uh they they were able to pull off the assassin. Yeah. Um, you know, um and uh there you go, because it was old, it was um Dango Fett. Dango Fett, right? Yeah, and and so basically, if you think about it, the entire clone army is a Mandalorian army. Yeah, yeah. And that's why they kind they're they're they're uh they kind of do look like a little bit like Mandorin. So they think they're the clone army, the way their helmets are. Right.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Have that whole thing, yes. Yeah, yeah. So exactly. Yeah. And that's what makes it that's why you gotta watch the um Bad Thatch.
KenyI I didn't finish the I think it's season two on in and I didn't get it. I didn't finish it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so is that in the sidebar.
KenyHow many seasons are there?
SPEAKER_02Oh, I don't remember, but I watched them like when as soon as they were coming out, I finished them at the end.
KenyI bet you if I pulled all my information, it'll tell me where I left off. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03And this whole section with the whole Canino everything, this this is kind of like where the movie secretly becomes uh conspiracy theory. Right. Yes. Right.
SPEAKER_02Because now it's like trying to figure out who was what. Yeah, you got you got the whole thing. Right. Yeah. But what was the chick, the the the doctor's assistant, the one that she was talking to, Obi-Wan? Oh, the the the Camino person? Yes, I can't remember then it. Yeah, the one those tall ones, right? That's like an angel city almost the way it's weird. In the water, in the water. But she was like trying to be like, yeah, so something's going on, and it's not quite okay. And looking around and shit, you know what I'm saying? Like she's trying to give it away. She wanted to be like, yo, listen, this shit is fucked up. You're honest. You need to get out of work. Like, you know, come back and save the rest of us. And you know, that's when uh Django Fett turned around and he ups and he leaves and he leaves his kid, and his kid is who? And that's why when when they were fighting, he was trying to leave. That then that's why Boba Fett becomes Boba Fett because, like, yo, you just killed my father.
KenyYeah, I remember that. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03And Django Fett, when you think about it, is like one of the coolest bounty hunters. Yeah. He's he's got the that his that's his ship, the original one. Right. And the cool part about it is those uh seismic charges. Is. You know, it's first you're like, that noise I love that that noise.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, just like one of the things that you think is like, yeah. Yeah, it's the same.
SPEAKER_03It's just like a line explosion in the seismic charge. Yeah. So it's like sound. Yeah. Like a seismic charge. Like it was like it like a it was like a you know a fan video where like it blew up like a Star Destroyer and it cut it in half.
SPEAKER_02Right, right. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, yeah. They have so many cool shit with that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I love it, bro. But uh, you know, he's practical and ruthless, yeah, I would say. Yeah, you know, and he is like the template for the clones. Yeah. You know, so that's the cool part. And you know, what's the actor who played him? No, but he does the clones shouldn't be. Oh, who's got the phone out? But the fun is it's all right. Well, my answer, go ahead, go ahead. No, the actor who played uh January Fett, because he is he's in a lot of Star Wars because he's gotta play every single clone. Right, he's gotta play Boba Fett Boba Fett.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because he's Boba Fett. Yeah, so he's gotta do everybody. He's gotta play everybody, yeah. In the bad batch. Yeah, that's right. He was everybody in the like he was pretty much even the you are right.
SPEAKER_03He was like the most used actor in Star Wars because he's a clone.
KenyI wonder when they got when they hired him, they're like Tumor Morrison.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's right.
KenyHe hired him with them like played by the same actor. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It says uh Django Fett and Boba Fett and the clones and the clone bad bank clones. Wow, that is so funny. He doesn't seem to mind, right? No, no, he's been working a lot, you know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and he's chilling right now, bro. Because they even give him they give him the standalone show. It wasn't too great. The Boba Fett, I wasn't a fan of it.
KenyI liked it. I thought it was pretty I liked the story on how the desert people helped him out. Is that the one you thought about it was on Disney? Yeah, I thought it was pretty cool because then he learned this whole new one and learned a whole new survival. Right.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, I mean different it just for me, I wasn't because I I wanted to see Boba Fett, the bounty hunter. Like I wanted to see him go out there and fight. Doesn't he later? Didn't he later into the series? No. No, no, no. He was like trying to be all quiet and peace. Like I wanted to see him as like all that? I wanted well, yeah, before that andor living as Mandalorian.
SPEAKER_03Before he fell into that thing. Oh, you mean showing like how when he because you know, when he was like living on the Mandalore, probably.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, right. Like doing all his kind of stuff like that. Like, yeah, I wanted to see Boba Fett doing that. Like I wanted to see him, you know, going out. Django Fett or Boba Fett? Boba Fett.
SPEAKER_03Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? Oh, Django.
SPEAKER_02Oh no, no, no, Boba Fett. Like I want to see him, like, you know, when they show him like he's coming in and you know, to get a bounty because uh um what's his name? Job of the heart.
SPEAKER_03You know, that would be cool to show like a prequel, like a Star Wars prequel. Yeah, like or like uh short. Don't like they should do that with the Boba Fett series. Boba Fett series that shows him doing all his stuff during that would be that'd be the same.
SPEAKER_02That was saying because they've done all these other little shorts and watching because Mandalorian of when Mandalorian is.
KenyShe doesn't tell him that. You guys are super nervous with this shit.
SPEAKER_02It's cool, it's good though. Great, I love this shit, bro. So I mean, even though I'll talk shit a little bit about Yoda, you know, he was, of course, he's like everybody's one of everybody's favorite. Nobody's perfect, man.
KenyEven he needs to learn from his mistake.
SPEAKER_02Right. I just I just I think that, you know, I mean, I understand, like I said, the movie has to play out a certain way and what the storyline was.
KenyThat's not someone there's there was something a dark force that was interfering with them being able to pick that up. Somehow they were clouding it, you know. He knew something, he felt it. He knew something was a temple. Yeah, it was a bitches right there. Somebody's fucking around with us.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, man, it was it was just such a fucking like I said, I love that storyline, bro. If if like you're saying, the the the the Sith Temple was was underneath, then then that was something that Palpatine was really scheming on from where the whole situation.
SPEAKER_03I mean, it was scheming on before Palpatine.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, then it had yeah, because that's how long it had been there.
KenySo they put it just took off where it took off where the they pick up where it ends?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
KenyIs there more than one Sith? No. Like, is he the only big Sith or is there anybody else like him? There was others. Whatever he says, you know.
SPEAKER_02It's only the one, but in the second and his apprentice. Yeah, and that's it. And that's why there was some that's like, you know, we get into the dark mall and the shit that was going on with dark mall because dark mall ended up falling off and all that other shit. That's that's another episode. But uh I don't think so because wasn't Palpantine like already like over a hundred years old? So the planner, but not that one. I don't think that that temple was there, bro. That's a new one.
SPEAKER_03No, no, it was in the it was in uh one was it a newer one?
KenyMore up to date.
SPEAKER_03That was 400 years before the prequels.
SPEAKER_02But that's what I'm saying. So it was like 400 years in the world. I'm sorry, before. Right. So then I don't remember that, bro. Now I'm gonna have that you're gonna be watching that shit again. I'm gonna watch the clock side again. No, the 400 years, yes. But I'm trying to plan it look like but I don't think that that's it was on that same planet, was it? No, it was of course, yeah.
SPEAKER_03It was it was it was like the same exact building. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well, I feel like but see, I just put it down, and you're probably right, then you're right.
SPEAKER_03That it was way before that then is you know, and then in like Nights of the Old Republic. It's wild, bro.
KenyBut yeah, just the story, how it takes like they it just was it this much when it first came out? Because it wasn't. It was just the four it was just the six stories. That was it.
SPEAKER_00The four three.
KenyThe three. Well, the first three, but the comics had all seven, though. Right, the comics, yeah. I mean, all of that. And six, six, sorry, six episodes. Yeah, yeah. Yes, right. I can't remember that. Yeah, yeah. Uh so yeah, they had the because I have the whole set.
SPEAKER_02Oh, okay, cool. So now here's the thing when they take comic books, graphic novels, books, and they bring them to live action, they take out certain things and they keep in what they think is gonna be what's gonna be the good, you know, story graph. But I got these when they s when Star Wars came out. Right. So then what I'm gonna say is that you would have you would have to read them and then let us know what was in there. You see the book of it. I have to dig them out, man. Oh well, yeah, but it would have to be that somebody's gonna have to let us know. So if anybody sees and whatever, let us know because I don't know what was in those comics. I said I've never read the comics.
KenyWell, I'm sure it was based off the I'm sure they took from the comics and used their story. Well, right, that's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_02So then I would like to know because if the comics, if they said that, you know, uh how old Paplatine really is or what, or you know, saying that, you know, if that temple was there, if that was the storyline.
KenyI don't know if they do tell you, but they probably maybe, maybe they do in the comics.
SPEAKER_03Go ahead.
Shmi’s Fate And The Tusken Line
SPEAKER_03The next thing is now with Anakin, you know, he's uh he's trying to find his mother or whatever, because he feels uh it's right. So is he is that what happened to Henry? No, so he went to go find his mom. Yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_02But that's not when he felt a disturbance outside. It was when he didn't find her and says, No, I sold her, I don't have it anymore.
SPEAKER_03So that's when it was a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of tattooing, right? Right. So again, he's seeing Wado older, yeah, more worn down. Waddle is definitely like he's not he's definitely older. You can tell he's like more aged. You know, um he's learning that Shimmy, his mom, right, was kidnapped. So that's when you know so so he so he's looking for her, right? And that's when he finds out that the Cuskin Raiders can't. Yes, and that's where he killed all of them. So, and this is this is my honest, this is my take on this. This is I believe that he Anakin's always had dark side to him. Yes, and I think that is because he is the chosen one and that he he has uh a little bit of both in him, a little bit of dark and a little bit of light in him. You know what I mean? And I think you know, and and it's gonna send him off to the dark side, especially if he doesn't have the null experiences like his son did when he became a joke. Right. When that Tuscraider found out, he said, and he told, remember, he told Pat McKee was I kill I killed the I killed all of them, even the women and children. It's like damn, yeah, like that dark. He went on a rampage.
KenyHe crossed the line right there. Once he did that, he was on his right. Once he really didn't go and kill him, he yeah, it was a from the first one.
SPEAKER_03Was Palpatine real is he kind of already kind of going?
KenyWell, I think it was a combination of both, because when you listen to Palpatine talk to him and how he you can hear the manipulation.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, oh yeah, he's definitely manipulating him, but like so now he lets him out and he like goes out on his own. You know what I mean? Like, did he have to work hard at it because he was already kind of doing that?
KenyNo, he knew. He knew. I think he knew that he just had to push him in certain ways. Or to put him over the top of the doing dark shit. Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_00You ready? Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Mace Windu Training And Star Wars What If
SPEAKER_02Right. Yeah. So now, should and so we said already that we believe that Quiagon should have been the one to train Ann would it have been better for Mace Window to then be the one to train him because of Anakin being on that line. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03I am evil. Think so. I think, yeah. Because Mace Window, if you remember, he's he's got the Vipod, which is like the it's a certain type of lightsaber form that's supposed to reflect like dark side back onto you. So if they always thought he was like Hamelike could go to the dark side, right? Yeah, Mace Window would have went back on.
SPEAKER_02Because he could have taught him, because then everything that Anakin was questioning fucking teacher, yeah. Rick hell. Yeah, yeah, I know. But they might Obi-Wan. But no, no, definitely. But that's why.
SPEAKER_03Because then that would have that would have been that would have been good for him, though. That he would have needed that.
SPEAKER_02Yes, because that would have been a good one.
SPEAKER_03The whole brothers, the good thing that happened between him and Obi-Wan was a nice yeah, it's a nice thing. But it wasn't, but it wasn't what he needed. He didn't right, he needed uh Mace Winder.
KenyBut you know, yeah, Obi-Wan did the best he could do because especially, you know, what his master got killed.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and that's the thing is Mace Window was a hard ass.
KenyWhat's his name?
SPEAKER_02Put a lightsaber through him. And that, you know, again, and but then he but you know, listen, I'm gonna say this. There were so many badasses in Star Wars, you know what I'm saying, as a whole, from the thousand-year story beginning to you know where we are up to now. And it's so many things I I would like to see, I would like to see, you know what I mean? Right. So then, like I said, what if Anakin? They should do a what if I could do for Marvel, bro? It should do a Mar if that's not a bad idea. What if would be cool to what ifs for Star Wars?
KenyYeah. Bro, you know what the fuck that would do? Well, don't you see the ones, don't you see the art that the uh all in the dark show me he's got the two kids and they're in the dog, they're dark as well, like as you can. And that was a good one. Yeah, I saw that.
SPEAKER_02And then you can as dark to all wearing black. Yeah, see, that's what I'm saying. Because, well, that was the thing that that Papertine was telling him, you know, we could bring you, you could bring he lied to him. Yeah, he lied to him. You know, I can tell you how to see him, you could bring her back to life. Nah, now, but then she's killed him, man. Well, but see, so now you look at but that's why had like that thickness.
SPEAKER_03Irony is in the sequel trilogy they had force healed them. So that was a method that he could have learned from the Jedi, but they wouldn't teach him this shit.
SPEAKER_02Fucking master. Right, exactly. Because they were so like, you know, that's what I'm saying. It was all that shit. It's too much. Yeah, if you knew his power, you should have taught him, and then now you know the power that he had.
KenyBut then that would have made the story.
SPEAKER_02Blah, it would have been boring and I think it would have been a different one because think about it. They already had dark mole, right? Right. And they had other sit that were running around and whatnot. And then, like I was saying, well, I was gonna say before I had lost the thought, the sit come from like the witches. You know what I'm saying? So the witches were they were they were they were fortune tellers, not fortune, but they actually saw like the future and they knew how to do things and they they used the dark side to you know what shit in not so much to manipulate, but they could feel what was going on, like they used the visions that they were getting to make shit happen. Right. You know what I mean? They knew how to put people back together, whatever. So that then now, if you would if if man, to take Anakin and and and have him be right on that, like you said, like a mace window to to just tell the stories or have him what ifs like that. Oh my god, bro. That would have been what if yeah, that would be interesting.
SPEAKER_00You could do that, you know what I mean? I wonder how many people the last person that think that shit, you know what I mean? I wonder how many people who signed, you know, hit up.
KenyI'm sure you're not the only one. I yeah, I'm sure you're 100% right on that. I'm sure being there are a lot of nerds out there in the world, I'm sure. And they probably even thought of some other shit you did too.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, oh no, definitely. Oh yeah. No, no, definitely.
KenyOr any of us, definitely. You know what I mean? People like deep into that, you know? Mm-hmm. Just the theories of what if and if what if this didn't happen, and maybe what would happen if he quiet lived and Obi-Wan died. That version of it, right? Right. Then they just swap.
SPEAKER_02Dude, there's just so many so much, so much.
KenyThat'd be a whole story. You have to do that in an animated though, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00They would have to surely have the characters and definitely get somebody who looks close to them. Because they need them's too old to do it. Well, they would have to do it in an animation.
SPEAKER_02Because the animation you can get away with a little bit more, you know, doing some extra. You could still do the voices and stuff. Oh, no, definitely. Hell yeah. Definitely. They would, and I think everybody, the whole cast would do that shit. You know what I mean? They would come through and do that. That would be great. No, Anakin, you can't do that, motherfucker. I'm gonna beat your ass. I'm gonna beat your ass. Come here. You know, have them do the character, the voice of uh what you call it? Of Sammy L. For fiction. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Have him do it in that voice. No, Anakin, you can't. Say motherfuck again.
SPEAKER_03Oh, that would have been so many.
Geonosis Chaos And Order 66 Seeds
SPEAKER_03So yeah, so next you got the whole geonosis thing, right? Right. So Obi-Wan's capture. You got that whole arena execution thing. Right, right. Yes. Yeah. So and then you got that, they gotta, they're gonna, it's like such a it's such like a it it was a little cliche with the whole like arena fight. You gotta fight a big monster in an arena, like I haven't seen that one before. But yeah, so they gotta fight a big monster. Oh, right. But they uh so it it would end up being like really chaotic. But then the Jedi arrived. Right. And you know, I think this is the last time the Jedi feel like united, if you think about it.
SPEAKER_02Right. Like before everything. Right, just before because what? Because what order was it again? Oh, no, 60C.
SPEAKER_0366, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02And the last 10 minutes before it won't hit the fucking bang.
SPEAKER_03I think that's the most on screen we've seen, most lightsabers we've seen on screen in one time. Ever. Ever.
KenyThe thing is, is that was already in the works for a long time if that order was.
SPEAKER_02So that's what and that's why if you remember in Bad Batch, they were talking about, well, we knew that too. That's what the chip was. And that's why Bad Batch was the crew Bad Batch, because their chips malfunction. Oh, okay. And then that's when as you're watching the show that you see that there's other clones that malfunction in a bad way where they killed people or no, no, but malfunction in a good way for the Jedi because they stayed true to what they were. Uh a bad way for the Empire and do and go and kill everybody. But they still had to get it out of their head though. Oh, yeah, because it was one of those, like, you know, like just you know what I mean? Like it was just disconnected, and if that shit just if they turned around and they turned their head like this and that shit connected, then when they would have been one of the regular other, you know, Jedi.
KenyI mean, I'm sorry, I mean clones. But I thought the reason they had to get it out of head was just because they should they it was like better for them to take it out.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it was better for them, it's like anything else. Wasn't that like a whole thing where they were all doing that? Like something. Yeah, they had to go get it because they didn't know, they real time for what the order was, like who the fuck did this order, what's going on, and then that's when they find out that they had the chip in their head and they wanted to now it's like we'll get this shit out because if we turn them on and lose it, you know, like if that shit connects or they do whatever, you know.
SPEAKER_03Now I own the shame. Yeah, that the that's why you have to get it. But one of the the weirdest things is like watching it as it were and then watching it later is like when Yoda arrives with a clone army, like as a kid, like all right, let's go. But then when they're older, you're like, uh, this is kind of weird. He's got the clones, like you're knowing kind of what's going on, you're gonna be able to do it. You could be dystopian, you know.
SPEAKER_02No, no, because he said, Fuck it, we're not gonna let the Empire use the clones, they still didn't know that the clones were broken. They were right.
SPEAKER_03Right, yeah, I know. And that's what I'm saying, is what's different from the case. That's what I'm saying. Oh, they already had it in their back pocket the whole time.
SPEAKER_02Wait a minute. Isn't that one of the things that everyone found out and he didn't get back to them in time when he was on that planet?
KenyYeah, like he found out that there was something with the riding that big cricket or uh right, yeah. Is that maybe that's creamantis or something, whatever that thing was?
SPEAKER_02And that he was trying to let them know. Like he was like, yo, like they're all connected, but I don't think nah, maybe he didn't know.
SPEAKER_03It's just weird how the republic instantly accepts, you know, a man uh a mysterious manufactured army. They're like, Yeah, all right, we'll take them. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? And then they're like, you know, and they're cloaked, and they're literally just clothing for war. It's just like, yeah, we're just gonna take these clothes.
SPEAKER_02Because well, because they weren't the republic wasn't winning the uh the war right away because they didn't have enough people to fight the empire. And then that's why if I say not empire.
SPEAKER_03Oh, what were they calling? It's not empire, yeah.
SPEAKER_02It's it's uh oh right, it wasn't yet yes, the separatists, right. Yeah, that they they so they knew so they were clones with me right on the idea that it was the republic, but it was the separatists that had forged the signature of the republic. So then that's why Yoda and Obi-Wan and them took the clones, took possession of the clones, was the setup because that's when Poppertine was like four sixty six. You feel me? So he had already saying like, yeah, let these motherfuckers take it because they think they win.
KenyIt was the space Nazis.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, pretty much.
Yoda Vs Dooku And The Final Warning
SPEAKER_03So you got now you got the last part of the movie, and that is um, you know, the Dooku, the Count Dooku fighting Yoda. This is what you think. And you know what? I as much as High Foundation. Who's he fighting now? Dooku and Yoda fighting. Oh, that's right. That shit was badass. He was all over the doo. You know, let's talk about Christopher Lee's performance. Christopher Lee did an amazing job as Dooku. Yeah, he did. He really did. Yeah. And he's uh he was, I mean, he's he's he's passed since the movies come, but he was a long time famous actor. So he was in Lord of the Rings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's been out of it way before.
KenyYeah, he did a lot of good shit. Yeah, so he's a good bad dad. He's done a lot of stuff way before that stuff, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, that that was that that leg saber fight right there was pretty off the hook when he just opens his robe. Yeah. It's got this shit right there. Uh-huh. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yes. Let's get it on. Yeah. And I feel like that Yoda has to have that fighting style because of his size. Right. Yeah. It has to be like this high fly. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. You know. But no, nothing beats when he opened up. Sorry to cut you off. You're telling me why he went like this, he opens up his his uh his cape and his rope. He just turns it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I fucking lost it. I'm in the movie today. He didn't take it off his belt. No, he's just like, yeah, use the boss. And he just did that. I'm like, yes, my man. Cool as shit.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, sorry, guys. Oh no, I think it's the coolest fucking scene. That's the first time we got to see Yoda. Didn't even know he had that shit under his rope.
KenyYeah, no one knew he even like he was packing the whole time.
SPEAKER_02This is his old man with this cane. No, no, because like he tossed the cane. He wasn't like limping anymore. He stood up straight and shit. I'm just in a motherfucker. What is he? What is that? Grandpa Joe for really blue. Exactly. He got a golden ticket. And that's what I'm saying. That's what was so fucking great. He was just like, you know, just warped in. The king hitting, he's sitting there, they start talking the. Don't let this lip full. Yeah, and he turned it around and he's like, and he was like, you know, something like, you know, whatever, like it has to be close to the fucking king, sit up straight, said, I'm like, ho! Sneak into the green basket. Right. Go, go, boy, go get it. Everybody full. Yeah. And then after it was all done, he turned around and he was like, yes. No, then he talks to fucking much for it.
KenyGo take them up. I guess in that sense, he probably doesn't have to be a little bit. He has to use the force to make him agile and be able to do what he's doing.
SPEAKER_02He knows how to wield it to that point. And but that's how all of them did. If you think about it, look at all their fights. Well, not all not so much the jumping, but you know, they were all sensed where the the lightsaber's coming, they knew where the um the laser um shots were coming, you know, all that other stuff.
SPEAKER_03You know, and the the crazy part in that battle though, it is some of the stuff that actually Ducoop says, you know, he's he's telling like yo, like the public is corrupted. Like he's telling, he's like flat out, he's like one he's such a typical villain. He's like telling them like a little bit. He's like telling them too too much information. It's like the Republic is corrupt.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Senate is compromised. Yeah, like meanwhile, because of his bitch ass. Yeah, right. Yeah. Exactly. Like that's what I'm saying, but that's why that's that's I said that's why I got him set. I, you know, even said before that just they should have known. They should have fucking known. They didn't they weren't.
KenyNo, they let their guard down.
SPEAKER_03That's what happened. Yeah, in my opinion, I think episode two is the movie where everybody ignores the warning sign.
KenyYeah. It's the catalyst that gets everything going. Once he took out those sand people, that was it. Oh, for animal. Once he caught once he crossed that line, he was on his way. His rage was you know uh ridiculous.
SPEAKER_03It's funny. It's all it's it's totally like and and like you so you got the thing happening with him, you got the clones, everything's just kind of you can see happening at one time. All this stuff is just being put together. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Because they have that kind of talent. Well playing, right? You know what I mean? That's why I said you got that's why I got I haven't watched more yet. I haven't watched the new one. Was it the more leg uh fucking eight, the the the new mall show? Oh, the new the one the animated series is coming up. Yeah, I gotta watch that. Looks really good.
SPEAKER_03The animation looks sick without without giving too much spoilers.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03The last episode.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Oh, so you watched it already. Yeah. So that's kind of a good thing. That's what I heard. Yeah. You know? Because it's supposed to it takes it starts when Obi-Wan cut him in half, right? That's when it starts? No, it's it's after way after.
SPEAKER_03Doesn't he have the crazy legs? Yeah, but it was like they started it out. Oh no, no, that happened in Corn Wars. So this is after this is in be this is before Rebels. Okay, okay, okay. Rebels is when that's when Maul gets Right. That's the end of Maul. Right. Yes. With old Obi-Wan things. Right. It looks like Obi-Wan from episode four.
KenyYeah. It looks old as that was good. Did you see the Rebels? You didn't much think about it. No, but he's like, I don't know that he changed. Originally he tried to start off the way with the, you know, with the but then he then he changed it and he went back to the traditional. Yes. He's like, let's get it on. And he did it quite. He didn't even waste time. He's like, I'm not all day. Yeah. Yeah. I got things I gotta watch my soap operas.
SPEAKER_03That is great, man. So yeah, Revenge of the Sith may be the fall, but Attack of the Clones is the moment the galaxies stopped being softable.
SPEAKER_02There you go.
KenyThey were already too far gone. It was on its way. So that being said.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think that was a great one, bro. Ladies and gentlemen. That was a good one. That was a good one. No haters, bro. Please. I love Yoda. I'm just saying. So with that, thank you for watching. What? One more episode, right? Of Star Wars? Well, and listen to us wherever you get your plan.
SPEAKER_03Uh for the next episode, we're trying to put together an ensemble uh group. So there's gonna be a lot of us, uh, I believe on the next episode.
SPEAKER_02If you're just still according to plan, so we're looking forward to it. Yeah, I said one more. So yeah, so with that, like, follow, subscribe, all that other good stuff on all of our plate platforms. Peace and haggis.
KenyWherever you get your podcast, it will be there. Love peace and haggis. Live long and prosper. May the forest be with you.
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