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Rogue One Changed Star Wars Forever: Vader, Andor and the Cost of Hope

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Rogue One changed Star Wars forever by transforming the stolen Death Star plans into a story of sacrifice, espionage, and morally complicated rebellion.


In this CC & NJ Guy Star Wars rewatch, Tom, Keny, and Lou revisit Rogue One: A Star Wars Story and ask whether it is secretly the most important Star Wars movie outside the original trilogy.


Before Rogue One, the Death Star plans were mostly a plot device that launched A New Hope. After Rogue One, those plans represented an entire mission carried out by ordinary people who knew they might never make it home.


We break down Jyn Erso’s transformation from survivor to Rebel, Cassian Andor’s morally complicated role in the resistance, and Galen Erso’s secret attempt to sabotage the Empire’s ultimate weapon.


We also explore Saw Gerrera’s extreme approach to rebellion, the tragic beauty of the Battle of Scarif, and why the movie proves that saving the galaxy does not always require Jedi or chosen heroes.


In this episode, we discuss:


• Why Rogue One made A New Hope more meaningful
• Jyn Erso and Cassian Andor’s character development
• The espionage and morally gray side of the Rebellion
• Whether a rebellion can remain morally pure during war
• Galen Erso’s secret role in the Death Star’s weakness
• Saw Gerrera and the psychological cost of resistance
• Why the Battle of Scarif remains one of Star Wars’ greatest finales
• Whether Darth Vader’s hallway scene was essential or fan service
• How the Andor series adds new context to Rogue One
• Why prequels can improve the stories that come after them

Rogue One showed that hope is not clean, easy, or guaranteed. Sometimes victory is only possible because ordinary people choose to sacrifice everything for a future they may never live to see.


Do you consider Rogue One the best Star Wars movie of the Disney era? Where does it rank in your personal Star Wars top five?


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Tom

Is Rogue One secretly the most important Star Wars movie outside the original trilogy? Because before this movie, the Death Star plans were just a plot device. After Rogue One, they become a tire suicide mission.

Keny

Live from Crawford Studios.

Lou

What? What's good, fellas?

Tom

What's up? We are back with another Star Wars rewatch. Now we are talking probably one of the most beloved newer movies that they've made, and that would be uh Rogue One. Right. Yes. Beloved Rogue One. Even people that aren't Star Wars fanatics. Aren't Star Wars fanatics or uh don't like anything outside of the original trilogy. Most people can agree uh Rogue One is a fan favorite amongst all types of Star Wars fans. Because you know, the thing with Star Wars fans is you have your types. Right. You know, you have the Star Wars fans who they're like uh, you know, I call them OT purists. Like they all like the original trilogy. Everything outside the original trilogy is shit. And then there's ones who are like, I also like the prequels, but I don't like the sequels. And then there's people who like the sequels and everything, you know, but Rogue One seems to be the most unanimously liked movie.

Lou

You know, it's funny because I find that to be the standalone movie. Like you could have just made a Rogue One movie and you know, it could have just been Rogue One and not have it would have just been the story. Right. You know, it wouldn't have been a whole Star Wars thing. Well, that's the thing.

Tom

This was the first movie that was released that was outside of the Skywalker saga. Right. Nothing to do with the Skywalker saga at all. Right. Uh and that kind of gave like a, I believe, like a fresh take on things because like, you know, it was a princess though. Yeah, but that's the thing. Yeah, but yeah, and that was But it really wasn't her story. That was just to lead up to the way she was. And that's and that's the thing that's so cool about the movie, too. Well, and we'll get more into that, but like you into that, and but like the cool thing about it is that it's a handoff to to New Hope. Like it literally ends where New Hope starts. Right. Which is cool because you could watch the movies back to back if you really want to. Yeah, yeah, I've done it.

Lou

But then that that's but so I think, I feel, believe, Rogue One made it for where it was a good idea to do Mandalorian, you know, a sound.

Tom

Yeah, because people saw, like, oh, we can do, you know, some live action. I mean, they they I I don't know. I I Rebels was already out at that point. Right. But that was a animated series. But this but they hadn't done any live action stuff. Right. Right. That's what I'm saying.

Lou

To do the live action. I think that Rogue One Rogue One was the movie to be able to do that because now they saw, like you said, there was other stories that they can do that didn't have to do, like you said, the Skywalker. It's a whole galaxy.

Tom

You know, they call it the Star Wars uh expanded universe, you know. Yeah, the stories that led up to that situation. And there's so many stories that you can tell in the in the Star Wars uh universe that like are there's so much amazing storytelling that could be told that have nothing to do with this, maybe not even have to do like have to do anything with Jedi. Like it could be like a complete story about Mandalorian. You could have a whole story about like Mandalorian, you could go to the Mandalorian War, you could have you know stuff that happened on the planet Mandalore, you could have a whole like everything based on that, you know what I mean?

Lou

Right, because there's just so much, so many things were going on, like you said, the universe was huge, is huge, but then having all those other little stuff to have a whole Wookiee movie, no, that would be stupid.

Tom

Just be subtitled, they don't speak. I guess they don't have a voice box. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. You never see a Wookiee ever speak like non-Wookie language or yeah, uh that's true. You've never seen a Wookiee. I don't think they I don't think they have a like a like they're capable. I don't know. Nobody else.

Lou

Nobody else in uh well you got what's his name?

Tom

He doesn't even he doesn't even do the Wookiee talk, is what's his name? Uh black croissant croissant of the the one from he was in uh the Boba Fett series. He's the he's wait, he didn't speak, huh? He spoke? He he never spoke at all. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he didn't say that. He didn't be silent. He wasn't silent enough. Yeah, right, right. Which kind of made him scary. That was kind of yeah, that was the whole thing. And he's kind of he was kind of a different Wookiee, too. He was he was uh he was he had his black fur instead of brown fur. Brown fur and he would give you the fucking dust. Yeah, he gave you that speed look. Yeah, he was strong as fuck.

Lou

He was like that battle guy, like he was the like he was the warrior Wookiee kind of shit. But you know, again, they you could have. I mean, because I mean, of course, it's like anything else, you know, to to fit the movie, you know what I'm saying? He said then we could understand it. They would probably, you know, speak English or whatever, you know what I'm saying? It wouldn't be, you know, just straight whatever. Right. But yeah, but Rogue One, bro, I liked Rogue One. I liked what they did with it. I like the I love the characters, you know what I mean? I wish, I don't, I'm gonna say I wish. I wonder how different it would have been had there been Jedi over there with them. You know what I'm saying? Would they have actually escaped? Because as far as I'm concerned, shit, I can't think of the uh the Asian dude, the blind guy. What was his name? I forgot his name. Oh, what's this?

Keny

He plays uh he does the um You talking about Saw Guerrera? Yeah.

Lou

Yeah, yeah.

Keny

Like for him, he oh dude, he had Jedi freaking. Yeah, and he said, I'm one, I'm what is he? What did he say to the movie? I'm one with the force. The for uh the force is one with me. I'm one with the force, the force is one. Right. And he kept saying it and saying that. And he was.

Lou

He was in tune with his skills and everything. Bro, he was insane with it. You know what I mean? I wish that they would have been able to, I mean, for me, because I like the characters, and you know, I that's a bad thing for me when it comes to movies sometimes, but it would have been great to have them escape the uh the the uh the planet, yeah, right, and then have them have another show. Like then they could have been like with bad batches, you know, in a sense. You know what I mean? And I think they they wanted the dramatic universe in the show. Oh, yeah, definitely. They wanted the dramatic effect, they got it, you know what I mean? Everybody sacrificed to get that. Oh, yeah. The whole planet.

Tom

That's the whole point of the movie, is that a lot of sacrifice had to happen. Right, right. People actually died in the movie in order to get it together.

Lou

That's what Leia said when she got the concept. Yep, a lot of people sacrificed to make sure that we got this. You know what I mean?

Tom

So yeah, and I love how they did that. They took that line and made a whole movie based on that line. Yeah, yeah. They basically heard that line.

Lou

Like, what if we do a movie about the people who sacrificed to get that? Uh-huh. And exactly what they did. It was a good flick. It really was. It was action-packed, you know. It started to lead into where, like you said, different stories. It could have led into different stories. And they decided they wanted to do like some kind of little backstories and stuff. I mean, no, no, I mean, you know, on the on the characters that were there, you know, before they passed, you know what I'm saying? Like there was a handful of things. But again, it's what you have said in a few of our episodes already.

Keny

Well, what's the series that's on Disney right now? That has something to do with Rogue One. This is the stuff they saw right now is before Rogue. Andor. Yes.

Tom

Right. The character in here, Cassie and Andor. Yeah, right. And Andor. Andor, Andor. Yeah. Andor. Andor. It sounds so familiar. It's like when I first heard the series, people said, Did you watch Andor? I was like, oh, there's a whole story about the planet, the planet with the um the sand uh no. Why am I thinking um oh my god, what are the creatures in my god, I'm tongue-tied. Ewoks. Ewoks, yeah. The Ewok planet. Yeah, it is, yeah. I was like, I didn't know that. And then or Rogue One, I was like, Yeah, oh who's that? Because I had to think because it was a recall. They did a whole series about him. Yeah.

Keny

So yeah. I gotta start watching. I started and then I fell off, so I gotta get back on. You know what?

Tom

It is that show is more a drama series with espionage, so it's right, it's got a different flavor to it. It's got a different flavor to it. Right. That's what I got from the case. It's more drama. So it's it's it's like Disney uh Star Wars like take on like a drama series. Right. So and there's a lot of espionage, a lot of dialogue a lot of dialogue. Yeah, a lot of dialogue, a lot of story. Yeah, there's less action, but the action that's in it is really good. Yeah, it is. It is and and not to to get off two topics, but like in season two was the coolest shit. Right. And they had the Thai Thai guard guardian, is it? The Thai it's like a it looks like a the ship, yes. It looks like it looks like a Thai interceptor, but it's bigger, right? I think it's a guardian or it sounds something like that, similar to that. Yeah, I don't remember the name of it. I'd be like, it was only shown, I think, in the in the video games or something like that. Okay, okay. But it's like this elite class TIE fighter, yeah. And like he steals it and you get to see the inside, but we never see you never really get to see like the full inside. And it was cool too, because like typical TIE fighters are like a pod in the top that's had like a door in the back. It was like serious. Yeah, it was nice.

Lou

It was really cool. It was it was cool.

Keny

Yes, no, I liked it because I didn't know what to expect when I first watched the movie. I'm just like, all right, let me watch it. And then when I watched it, it was like it was instantly became one of my favorite movies in Star Wars because the way it started for the how the story started out, and then where then you see later on where it ends up, and then the whole everything, all the characters come into play, and it yeah, it did a good job on it, you know. Even to that crazy robot that's in the movie. Oh the android. Yeah, he's speaking. Is it an Android?

Lou

Yeah, he's an android, right? No, well, the robot, but yeah, that he's the the the one that shoots and he could fight and everything. Yeah. Yeah, he was he was he was a good one. He was a good one. That's what I'm saying. It would have been great if they would have got off because, you know, off the planet to deliver the uh the uh plans themselves to like Princess Leia and then go off on different missions or whatever else, or you know, whether it's too going their own way.

Keny

Because that's usually always the typical. I know, I know. It's nice to have to where you know people actually have to sacrifice in order for it to Yeah, yeah, no, no, it made sense.

Lou

I'm just saying because I'm selfish, you know what I mean? I know. No, I got it.

Keny

We always want to be rather, you know, why do we have to come on a can't we live? Yeah, move on to the next thing.

Tom

Can I live? Yeah, Jay-Z.

Keny

Can I live?

Tom

So you got the so in the movie you got the character Jin Urso, right? Right. Uh she's an interesting character because she's not your classic, like heroic lead, right? Right. Uh she's abandoned both sides emotionally, right? Yep. You know, her father is the one who made the plans for the Death Star. He's the one that got to build the or the weapon, not the actual Death Star, the weapon on the Death Star, you know, the planet destroying weapon.

Lou

Well, it wasn't his fault, but yeah.

Tom

Yeah. They got him to build it because he came up with the idea somehow, and I don't know. You know, she doesn't trust the rebellion, yeah. Uh, starting out just surviving, uh, because someone who chooses a cause, right? And her father gives her the truth, but she has to decide what to do with it. So she's an interesting character. So is Jin a great character or is she more of a vessel for the bigger story?

Keny

I think she's a good character altogether, uh, as well as that. Right.

Lou

I'm gonna say that too. Yeah.

Keny

I think she's both, actually. In my in my opinion.

Lou

Yeah, yeah, no, no, you're right. Because she's what sets it up. You know what I mean? Like her being porn. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. Like you just said, both sides, you know. Do I believe what my father was saying, but he's working for the empire and he's this and he's that, and he made this weapon, you know? Or do I turn around and do the right thing and you know, right, dead the empire, you know, like the empire did this to me. They took my my parents away.

Keny

You know what I'm saying? But she gets it though. I mean, right. You know, it's uh at that, you know, she's knows what she has to get in order for that to be uh I think the whole I because isn't in the beginning of the movie, isn't she in like jail or something? Is she being released or something to that effect? Or what what's what's her deal in the beginning of the movie when she's when you see her grown, I mean, after she's so that she gets found, right? Right, because she hides away, right? And they you know, the Empire comes to the thing, and then then later on they show her when she's older.

Lou

Right, she gets in trouble and stuff like that.

Keny

So that's how the movie kind of starts. Yeah. She seems like she's always in trouble or always having some kind of you know confrontation of some sort. Right. Yeah, because she kind of figures it out as she's going. Yeah.

Lou

Yeah, because you know she's the typical trouble teen and running around, you know, my parents aren't here because I'm gonna act up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think so. For sure. It was great. I I liked the movie. I said I liked her character.

unknown

Yeah.

Lou

And I'm gonna say it again. I wish that they would I just wanted to do another.

Keny

You know, but it's good the the show because honestly, hey, somehow she survived.

Tom

Star Wars. They all did, they all survived. No, but uh so then you got Cassie and Andor, and he shows like the dirty side of the rebellion. Because until then, you really didn't get to see the espionage side of it. You only saw the rebellion as like a military force, but they had to be doing spies and covert ops, and you didn't get to see that.

Keny

And it's equal it off and you kill it out.

Tom

And like right away in the beginning, when they show him, he kills an informant. You know what I mean? And they show he's gotta be a little dirty because that's unfortunately the the there's the dirty the rebellion does have a dirty side to it, but it's for a greater cause, you know. So they got a little, they gotta kill off informants sometimes. They gotta do shit.

Lou

But didn't he do it because he had like no choice, right? There wasn't like an accident kind of shit. I remember him doing it like, you know. Oh I remember him being kind of nervous and upset that he hadn't done it, you know what I mean?

Tom

It's just they have to make those, he had, you know, decisions that have to be made. Right. And that it's it's it's it's it's not a clean business, you know? Uh-huh. Yeah. And uh, you know, and he's and he's you know, he's he's probably not the only terrible thing he's had to do for the cause, right? Yeah, but he's not clean, he's not innocent, he's he's an interesting character, but he still has a conscience. Right. He's not like an evil person. He has a consciousness, but he's gotta do, he's gotta get his hands dirty, unfortunately. Right. You know, it's just it's just uh guy that they need to do the work that they are not willing to. And he's capable of doing it, you know, he's good at what he does, but you know, and then and and you get to and that's that's why I think it was a smart idea for them to make a series based on him to expand the right to see where that goes, right? It's it's so interesting though, when you think about it. Oh, he gets there, right? No, I'm sorry, I'm I'm my head somewhere else. Uh it's interesting how like I said, how we were talking about before, how like Rogue One helps build up New Hope, right? But then Andor helps build Rogue One. So it's like this built off this, and now that's building off this, you know?

Lou

So well, that's the stories. That's what you know, it's all the people, all the people that have come to help out the rebellion. You know what I'm saying? Like that's why I think that's why it's a story, bro. Yeah, it's all the people that did that that make it the good story.

Tom

And can can a rebellion stay morally pure when they're fighting an empire?

Keny

Listen, if you're gonna have to fight a war or whatever it is that you're fighting, especially you're gonna have to fight fire with fire, and right? You got your guys, they got their guys, and you gotta hope you come out on top, is really what you're doing. Right, right.

Lou

Because there has to be. I mean There's gonna be. Yeah. I don't know, but then do is it s is it wrong? What do you mean? Like Tom, like you said, so what Tom is at is saying, you know, does it take away from them being so pure? Because it's a right that they're trying it's a wrong that they're trying to write. So that is it really wrong, is it really bad because they're trying to do something better? You know, they're trying to make sure that the you know that everybody has a fair shot. You know what I mean? Exactly. I don't know. I I I I don't I don't think so.

Tom

I think that's a good idea. You got now the the creator of the weapon, Galen Urso, right? Right. Is he a coward, genius, or quiet rebel? Yes. All of these No, you're right. Yeah, you're right. He he is all three. He's he I mean he's building a weapon, but he's also sabotaging it because well they're forcing him to build it, so he's secretly making it weak. Right.

Keny

You know?

Tom

Well, he didn't make it weak. He gave it like a weak. He gave it a ride, exactly which was still an impossible shot. It would only take a Jedi to do that. Luckily, there's still Jedi around. There's still people who can use the force, you know.

Lou

Did you ever see what? The robot chicken. So sidebar. Did you ever see the robot chicken episode when they were doing that and then uh Darth Vader was getting yelled at uh by what's his face? Palpatine. Who put that little hole on the side for them to blow like who was the genius? That was the genius. It was Dalen that did it, you know what I mean? And that's before I think that's the one. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Robot Chicken had all that stuff. Man, no, I fucking all that. I love robot chicken. But they had a lot of good, you know, Star Wars stuff. That's gonna be another episode we gotta do that.

Tom

So, yeah, so he plays the long game, I would say.

Lou

Yeah. He does play the long game. Yeah, because he's your inside guy.

Tom

Yes.

Lou

He's your inside guy.

Tom

The guy who invented the weapon is the inside guy.

Lou

He's the inside guy.

Keny

It's pretty genius when you think about it. Yeah. And he made sure to put something in there that they can blow it up.

Lou

And he made it that they can get the plans, you know what I mean? You don't just have the plans sitting anywhere, you know what I mean? Like you had to like.

Keny

Well, they were they were safe where they were. It was just that they snuck onto that particular planet.

Lou

Yeah, but it wasn't safe enough because it shouldn't have been there on the planet. Like, matter of fact, there shouldn't have been it should have been like one person had the fucking plans on a zip drive or some shit. And that that would be. But it was on a military side. Yeah, they thought they were safe. You know, they that's the conceited shit. You know what I mean? They thought that they were gonna be like that.

Tom

But so it does make the whole ending to to New Hope kind of cool because it's not just because Lou is gifted, it's because he created that little event hole. Right. Yeah, right. Exactly.

Lou

Right. He didn't die in that though, right? Did they? Oh yeah, he did die, right? In Rogue One, then they did they they she they killed him because she had finally seen him. Yeah. I'm trying to remember. I know, I'm sorry, I didn't rewatch it, but you know, she got to see him one last time before he died. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, yeah, that was that was wild. That would have been, you know, that'd probably the hard part. But then that made it harder for her to turn around and, you know, be able to process like who's good, who's bad. Like, yeah, he's in that suit, but that's my dad, and he's the reason why we got the plans. You know what I mean? Like it was the plans were leaked because of him.

Keny

Like he's well, he needed to go through they kidnapped his ass. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, fucking choice. He came where he was dying, one of you two, right? I mean, they were gonna kill him.

Lou

Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly what it was. And they couldn't, they didn't find her, you know what I'm saying? The daughter. Right, he hit her? When yeah, because he hit her really well, you know. They got mom and dad.

Keny

What's the gentleman that came to get her that helped, you know, when he came? Because they hit her in the movie as a child. And then who was that character?

Lou

Who was the character that was a big man, you're a dick. I I was gonna say his name, you asked, and then it went Kaplooy. Um, oh my god, the big black dude.

Tom

Oh, you're talking about Saw Guerrera, yeah.

Keny

Yes, but what's his name in real life? He's the one who goes and gets her. He knows where she's gonna be because it's a contingency plan.

Tom

They already knew that if you've got his name, he's got the eye. Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying. I can't remember his name. Forrest Redaker, right?

Keny

Forrest Riddicker used to be like, you're gonna give me a Forrest Whitaker eye. So that was part of the plan. They knew that if the Empire came, this is what they were gonna do.

Lou

Right, yeah. And he raised her and he taught her to be that kind of strong and whatnot. And you know, he did what the parents asked, and that's why she was able to, that's why she had the strength. Right. The strength to be able to go and pull that mission off. So, you know. Right.

Tom

And that gives a good segue. So is Saw Guerrera too extreme or exactly what war creates? Exactly what war creates.

Keny

Yeah, he's a pro he's definitely a product of his environment, yeah.

Tom

Definitely he's messy, paranoid, yeah, intense, and damaged. Yeah.

Lou

Damage is an understatement.

Tom

He's a badass, and I wouldn't want to.

Lou

And you get to see him in Andor, and you can see him in Andor too. Right, yes, he was in Andor.

Tom

I think he was in season one or two.

Lou

I think he was in season two. Season two was two, yeah, yeah. But I'll tell you this though, you can still see his his heart. You still saw his soft side. You know what I mean? Right.

Keny

Like he was at least on the right side. Yes. As far as yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Even though he was a bad guy himself.

Lou

But he was a bad guy because he had to set this way, you know, the rebellion could get some of the stuff that they got, if that makes any sense. You know what I mean? Like, you know. Absolutely.

Keny

Yeah.

Tom

Is saw what happens when rebellion becomes your entire identity? All right, say that first part again. So is is is is is what happens, what happened to him, like his personal personality. Is that what happens when like the rebellion becomes your entire personality? I want to say yes.

Lou

Yeah. Because now there is nothing else. We have to get rid of them. We have to stop this. This cannot be. Yeah, yeah. I have to, we have to do what we have to do by any means necessary.

Tom

No, no, no. And do you think do you think exactly do you think the rebellion is uncomfortable with him because he reflects the truth? You know, the truth is they don't want to admit that it's gotta be, you know.

Keny

Right, yeah. I don't know if they don't want to admit it. It's just part listen, it's like anybody who goes to war, right? They know they're gonna have to do certain things in order for them to to accomplish whatever it is they want to do in the long run, right? Right. Whatever that might be. So this is just a different story, and yeah, no, he he they gotta do it. Yeah. You can't go, oh, you know what, let's see what happens, you know, and then you're dead.

Lou

Yeah. They don't want him, they don't want you don't want that to be the face of the rebellion, I guess if that makes any sense. You know what I mean? Yeah. You know, you want to have like the princess Leia, you know what I'm saying? You want to have the everybody who's like, you know, they they look like they're fighting for the truth, you know, to have him there, the gritty, you know, got his hands dirty and got what you needed, robbed still, robbed and stole, right, you know, pillaged shit to get it. You know, yeah, you don't want people to know that, you know. Yeah, you could be a part of us, but you know, you're gonna stay over here, you know.

Keny

Well, remember when they went to go see okay, do you No. Remember when they went to go see him and they they fucked they they dragged him in, they held him hot, they held him in the cage, you know. Like, and then he recognized her because she was in the cell as well, and then he was like, but he still was he still wasn't, you know, uh being uh you know hospitable. Right. You know what I mean? He wasn't really like, no. He was like, what's going on? Yeah, yeah, even though yeah, right.

Lou

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, bro.

Keny

He's a good actor.

Lou

Yeah, so yes, definitely. To that question, yeah.

Tom

And the scarf mission. That's the one that's on the beach. Right. Is that that that's probably one of the best third acts in Star Wars, I think. You mean the end one? The beach scene when they gotta go that the scarf. You know what I'm talking about?

Lou

That they had the end beach battle. Yeah, when they were all fighting the beach.

Keny

I guess at the end before they output the uh what was the one before that that they had? Didn't they have one before? Oh, yeah, the one that where they she finds her father. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? They go in and it's raining like sh like it's just pouring. That was the thing. Remember? He winds up dying in that in that scene. Yeah. She sees him.

Lou

Yeah.

Keny

And that changes everything for her from that.

Lou

Point. Right, exactly. That's what I'm saying. So then it made her just her whole shit. Like now she's really like, you know, the rebel they your empire killed him. They they dictus. You are evil. You know, it's like, nah, we're gonna take you down. And then she becomes that rebel, has that rebel mentality.

Tom

But yeah, the but the beach battle, it does look, it's it's so interesting because it's like it looks so beautiful, but it's also so tragic. Yeah. So many people die, you know, like everyone, yeah. Everyone, you know, and everybody has a role in that too. You know what I mean? Yeah, and that's the cool part about that scene, you know, and every sacrifice kind of gets them one step closer. Right. You know what I mean? And that's the cool part about it, I think.

Keny

Yeah, definitely. What about that the guy who was running that whole thing? The one that was the white suit all the time. Oh, you're talking about uh and he went to go talk to Vader. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Credit still in charge.

Tom

Yes, yes, you'll talk to the Try not to choke on your aspirations, yes, Frenick. Yes, and it's funny, people say that that Darth Vader was out of character because he made a joke, but like he he is Anakin Skywalker. Right, yeah. So there was still a little bit of skinny. He's habitually joked like all the time. So like he's got now, he's just got dark humor. Yeah, you know, if he's being an asshole, he's gonna throw it in your face.

Lou

Right, every once in a while, you know what I mean? Yeah, and it was, I mean, you figure what? It was what 20 years, only like 20 years after Yeah, he was still younger. So he was still like that younger Vader, you know, right, older Anakin. You know what I'm saying? So if that makes any sense. In his 40s, you think?

Tom

No, no, but it's it's right before no, actually, he wasn't that it was it was right before uh episode four, right? So he was it was toward yeah, it was right before episode four. So he wasn't young Vader, right? No, he wasn't young Vader, you're right. Because it's right before episode remember how it leads, it bumps up with episode four.

Lou

So it is episode four, but he's still he's just still right.

Keny

Yeah, he's like in how old would he be?

Lou

Wait, no, no, no, I'm right though, because yeah, because wait, episode four was just before he turned to Vader, because episode three, right?

Tom

Wasn't that no episode three was when he becomes Vader, right? Right. That's what I'm saying.

Lou

So then by the time where he's already he's already Vader, but he's on like 20 years. And Lucas or a younger. That's what I'm saying. It's only like 20, maybe 25 years, is what I'm saying.

Keny

That he was Leia is a young woman. Yes. So they're both this kind of the same thing. That's what I'm saying.

Lou

So wouldn't that make them that that's what I'm saying? That he was. So he's why in his 40s, close to 50. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's yeah. Right. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. So that then, you know, he's still a little bit of that wise ass, you know. He wasn't of course, of course.

Tom

He yeah, but sorry, I got it. Sorry. Do you think that's like the best battle sequence uh in in the Disney era Star Wars for all the Disney era Star Wars?

Lou

I'm gonna say yes, because it was so much going on on that beach. You know what I mean? Like there was just so many different battles. People were having their own battles because of their own demons, I guess, if that makes any sense, because of their own history, so they were having those kind of fights on the beach.

Tom

And the interesting thing and and uh about that scene is that it could have been that could have been the end. They could have ended it.

Lou

The whole Star Wars shit.

Tom

They could have ended, no, I mean they could have ended the movie with that scene almost. Oh, where they got the plans and but you know, they uh so do you do you think like the next scene is the famous Vader scene? Right. That was the scene that like well anyway, do you think that it was besides it being awesome? Do you think it was fan service or do you think it it fit? It fit. It fit.

Keny

No, it needed to fit because it had to show what was at stake, and that's what the emperor wanted him to find, right? Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had inside information, they knew something was going on.

Tom

Yeah, you know, I would say this was the coolest scene because up until that point, we never got to see Vader be full Vader. Right. We've seen him, you know, bits and little pieces. Little bits and pieces, but it's you know, by the time Empire Strikes Back, he already knows Luke is his son. So he's kind of like already kind of the cracks breaking, you know, there's cracks forming in his uh Vader persona, you know. Yep, yep. And then the first movie, he's kind of just like trying to get so like you know what I mean. It's not we don't get to see like him like really like fuck shut up. Right, right, right, right.

Lou

Yeah, we get to see that when he's dead, too.

Tom

Yeah, you know, it's like throwing people up, slicing them in half.

Lou

Yeah, bro.

Tom

Just you know, just the way that just the way it's dark and everything look like a scary monster. Yeah, they did. All of a sudden you just see the fucking red light just go and just the whole room lights up.

Lou

That was that was fun. Yeah, that it didn't matter.

Tom

The only other time we get to see Vader be scary like that is actually if if you guys, I don't know if you guys finished Maul, the Maul series. No, I'm halfway through, bro. I'm halfway through being in that like stalker terrifying, like you're like, oh my god. Anyway, not to give too much about that, but that's that's definitely worth seeing if you haven't seen the the Maul series. Yeah, I'm almost just to watch it for that. I mean, the series is great, but like that scene, again, you know, he's kind of stole the show. Yeah, he's kind of like in Rogue One, he kind of stole the show a little bit, you know. I'm almost there, bro. I'm almost there. Is it fan service? I would say yes and no. I would say it's a little bit of both. I would say it did fit, but it was fan service too, I think.

Lou

Why do you say fan service?

Tom

Because they had the history. I mean, I guess, you know, but it's like if they didn't put Vader in the movie, at the end that she got away and he's standing at the end. If they didn't put Vader in that movie, it would have I don't know. It's still I still would be a good movie, regardless, if he was if they didn't have him in that scene.

Lou

But I think even in episode four, yeah, when they were talking about it, yeah, they said again, you know, you knew that Vader was there. You know what I'm saying? That he was he had gotten to the planet. But it wasn't like he was in the whole movie, it was at the end.

Tom

Yeah, it was at the end. Right, right, right. But it was so unnecessary. And you got to see him at his palace. That was the first time he got to see him. Right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's inside that tank or something. Yeah, and they just like when they when when that's when they went with the general, it's like I a general who the guy who comes up is all director Krenik. Director. So but he uh but you get like one of his like I guess servants is like Lord Vader, director Krenik is here, and you just see his like face come towards like the fucking and then and then starts draining. Yeah, and then he you know gets suited up. Yeah, so that's kind of cool.

Lou

Fucking great. That was good. It was it it gave you a whole new look at Vader. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, in all honesty, like now you know what he's doing. He's not in that suit all the time, right?

Keny

You know, on his yeah, his private time, yeah.

Lou

His whole time.

Keny

Well, it's crazy, and he lives on that planet where he lost his legs and everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lou

Listen, I'm gonna tell you that movie was like I said before, I think it was a good standalone. You know what I mean? It it was it was great because it it gave it so many different stories, you know. It was it was it was great. It was great.

Keny

It should who's gonna get what or stop something from and fortunately it makes hope it shows that hope isn't clean.

Tom

Right. You know what I mean? It's it's you know, the sacrifice that guy is a little get your hands dirty, you know.

Lou

Definitely. You have to be I mean, we've seen a million movies across the board where the good guy gets beat up. You know, the good person that that's supposed to be there and saving everybody gets their asses kicked before they're just like and they're gonna turn around and they they get the job done because they actually had to turn around and fight back. This movie was just that the good guy fighting back.

Keny

And they were in fighting continuously, but now you keep moving it along, and you got to see them doing that.

Lou

You know what I mean? Where it was like, you know, okay, this is where we're drawing, this is the the land, the sand, the line of the sand. Like this is where we're at.

Tom

And it and it shows also that ordinary people matter. It doesn't require someone with the force in order to miss. Yeah. You know, they had you had these were just these no one had any special abilities. I well, maybe some of skills. They had they had skill sets. Some of them have force skills. Some of some people were force adjacent, you know what I mean? Okay. But no one was like had this, you know, it wasn't like there was a Jedi saving the day at this time, you know. Right, right. Yeah. Right. This was a bunch of people working together. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it shows that like good guys are still good, but they're not innocent, you know. Sometimes that like again, Andor had to take that guy out, unfortunately. You know?

Lou

Well, like anything else. I mean, for me, you have Navy SEALs, right?

Keny

Yeah. Oh. So the guys you send in the street. Right, right, right, right, to do the dirty work to get the good job done. They gotta go in. You know, so it's kind of like, you know, it's a mercenary type thing. Yeah. That's what you got. Yep. Yeah. You need that. I mean, would you be inviting them to dinner every day? Probably not, you know.

Lou

Well, because I mean you can't go over and knock on the on the on the bad guy's door and be like, hey, so you know, can we just have the plan? Right, exactly. Hey, um, you know, yeah, you know, just let us have it. You know, let us just be free. No, because there are people that believe in that empire. Right, exactly. And that that empire is gonna be better for everybody, so that then they're gonna fight for it. And because they're the bad guys, they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna fight for it. Like they have no And they're gonna fight even harder and worse. Exactly. You know, so I want to say something, but I'm not gonna say it. Good, don't say it. Don't say it. I already see it.

Tom

It's political. I'm not gonna say it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, uh don't say it.

Lou

I'll tell you guys. Very similar. Yeah. Well, I mean, like, but you know, you guys are fucking hilarious. You guys are hilarious. But no, I mean, like I said, I I it it was, it's it's one of those things where, like I said, you you believe that everybody has everybody can do it. You know what I mean? Everybody foot. People that you said didn't have the force, didn't have that power, they came through and they helped save the day. You know what I mean? I know you got to chills because that was deep.

Keny

Whoa, it's good. But no, it's a good movie.

Tom

But you know, it shows that like sacrifice gives meaning to victory. Like New Hope feels bigger because of the sacrifice that was made. I know I said that earlier, but like you know, that's the thing. It makes the New Hope cooler. You know, it makes that show that there was a sacrifice to happen in order for that to happen. Right. Right. Yeah, definitely.

Lou

Definitely, a million percent.

Tom

And they closed the plot hole. Like, why, why, why would why did that start have a weakness? Because that's what that was something that people used to say back in the day. Why did they make this little hole that you take it out? And then rogue one explains why.

Keny

Because you couldn't make it obvious. If you were gonna do it, you had to make it where but they're saying why did it have any right?

Lou

It shouldn't have been. There should have been just there shouldn't have been a at that little porthole. It's like uh you know the space balls, the the button. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Tom

Yeah, but why why does it have a self-destruct button?

Keny

You're not gonna question necessarily what's being built or how it's being built, right? You just want it built. Yeah, right. The mindset. Right.

Lou

So then that's thinking, oh, maybe there's a reason for you know, they're not gonna question that's why this guy had it. The what's his father's name again? The father's name? Galen. Galen. That's why he did it because he's the inside man. Right. So it's the rebellion saving the day again. You know what I mean? That inside person to because you need to think ahead.

Keny

Mm-hmm.

Lou

Yeah.

Keny

You think the way your enemy would think. Yeah. I'm trying to remember if he's one step ahead of them.

Lou

Was that weapon supposed to be a weapon, or was it supposed to be something like to to uh for good? No, the the the weapon that he built, did they tweak, did he have to tweak it to make it a weapon? I'm trying to remember. I remember that part, bro. I mean, you liked it more.

Keny

I don't know. That's a good question.

Tom

Maybe a couple rapid fire questions for you. Uh-oh.

Keny

Here we go.

Tom

All right. Rewatch value. Would you watch it again, Cat? Yes.

Keny

Oh, yeah. Yes. If I see, if I'm flipping through channels and I see it, I mean it's if it's in the middle of it, I'll watch it.

Lou

No, no. I'd I'd watch it just turn it on back. Oh, you know what? Yeah. I'd watch it. Yes.

Tom

Okay. Star Wars importance. How much does it make the saga uh how much how much does it matter to the saga? It matters, I think. Yeah. Big time. Yeah. Explains a whole lot.

Lou

It's a big part.

Keny

Yes. Way explains shit. Character strength.

Tom

Do the characters work enough?

Lou

Hell yeah, man.

Keny

Perfect for that, you know, for that Star Wars universe.

Lou

Absolutely. Oh yeah. And it, I mean, and again, it's like you just said a few minutes ago, it shows that everybody mattered. Right. You know what I'm saying? Everybody that was fighting for this truth, they mattered. So yes. Okay. Best scene.

Tom

Scarf, Vader, or the Galen message. Oof. Woof. Tough one. Tough one. Tough one. Yeah, that is. That is tough. That's a big three right there. Maybe go, maybe give it an order. Maybe give it an order. One, two, three. One, two, three. Out of them, which is the better one.

Lou

Alright, so what's the first two you said?

Tom

Scarf, Vader, Galen message. Scarf, Vader. Scarab, Galen, Vader. Scar scarf, the battle scarab, Vader hallway scene, or the message that they send off to the I'm I'm gonna say Vader's the last.

Keny

Well, that that part is part of the Vader one. So I'm gonna have to say Vader and that scene for me because when they remember they get it, finally get it out, and someone gets it and they get it onto the ship and she's gone. Yeah, it's a scarif, Vader, Galen. Yeah, one, two, three, I think, in that order.

Tom

I I agree.

Keny

Okay. Yeah.

Tom

Okay, final score, one out of ten. What's the final score? One through ten.

Keny

Oh, that's it.

Tom

If you gotta give it a point set, you can give it a if you're gonna do it.

Keny

I'll give it a nine out of my Star Wars movies. I think for me, nine. Nine. Yeah. It's one of my it's my favorite of all, I think.

Lou

Yeah, I'm gonna say ten. Ten. I think I'm gonna say ten because of the story. This is, and it's funny because I'll talk shit all day long, bro, about what how it is, like, you know, with the DC and they don't follow and the standalone movies or whatever. This is one of the few times that I'll say this is part of the state to that. You know, like I like the idea that this even the standalone it was that great shape because it set up for Star Wars, you know, to be able to branch up.

Tom

Revenge of the Sith is my favorite movie, but this I still give a 10 because of how well it's done. Right. You know what I mean? I say it does deserve a 10. It does. Yeah, it's Revenge of the Sith is probably my favorite out of those three. Yeah, I like it the best. I wasn't concerned about it. But this one, I would say it was so well put together. I don't have any problem with the movie. No, I don't know. I I I can't say, you know what, they shouldn't have done this or they should have done that.

Keny

No, it was good. See, I I I don't it keeps you I was engaged through the street.

Tom

I don't think there's anything I don't like, you know. I think I wish they took notes from that movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which well I liked I mean the sequels are okay.

Keny

I'm not, you know. Yeah, but don't forget don't forget it either. The oh I know what you mean, the sequels, the the later ones. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Tom

The sequel trilogy then.

Lou

Right, right. I like I love one through six. You know what I'm saying? I love all six of the movies. The only one that I was like was uh with Kylo Wren.

Tom

You know, he was a little bit the three, the yeah, the the sequel trilogy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lou

Like I'm just like we are gonna be. He kind of bothered me, you know what I mean? Oh, because I mean they made him if he's gonna be the bad guy, you know what I mean? I I there was no training or nothing, no help, nobody was there like that. I don't feel for him, you know what I'm saying? I just I just I don't know. I get I'm saying it wrong. I know what I'm thinking, I'm just know I'm saying it wrong. I just talking about Kylo Wren. Like I'm saying, because we were talking about the movies, how you liked him or whatever.

Keny

And I just wasn't done the way he was named.

Lou

Yeah, because he was like, I'm so sorry. Like, bro, you know, like stop. Stop your bullshit. We know you're the bad guy, you know, you you you're you're cool with the dark side.

Keny

But the movies went for me. The first one, I was like, this is cool. I like where the story's going. The way it was funny, it had action, there was a story behind it, and then at the end, you know, she sees him and then stops. And then the other two take off in a totally different direction.

Tom

Before we go off in the direction we were talking about Rogue One, but before we go too off, but I I do want to say that I think the thing with Kylo Wren is they're trying to show that like he's different than Vader, because like Vader, like as Anakin, he was a good guy, but he just naturally did dark shit, right? He just like Kylo Wren's you know like strives too hard. Kylo Wren, he forces himself to be dark, right? You know what I mean? Like he's yeah, that's what I'm saying. Because he's like for the sake of using the dark side, or I'm gonna force myself to be dark, but you could tell him. It doesn't come natural to him.

Lou

But he does. But see, like, yeah, dad, you weren't here. Like he's gonna be a bitch because Han Solo had to go out and do some other stuff.

Tom

The dark side kind of came a little more natural. Right, right, right, right, right.

Keny

He had that legitimately, he had a freaking crazy from beginning to end. Right.

Tom

And he had a little temper, you know, because of all the shit that happened to him and you know.

Lou

Yeah, no, Kyler Rand, I think he was just, you know, he said that's why it just bothered me. Because then for me, I wish they'd do those over, honestly. I I think they I wish they would have done just his character a little bit different. Because he should have been, he should have been uh uh a Mace window.

Keny

Yeah.

Lou

You feel me? Like he should have been on the line, right? You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go in there and you know, still be able to do dirty shit, you know what I'm saying, and kick some ass, but still be a good guy, and you know I understand I know that's not where the story went, that you know, you had to have the two generations later or whatever.

Keny

Just disappointed for two and three after you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Lou

Because I mean the way he fucking killed Han, the way, you know what I'm saying, he was just doing that shell like that. Yeah, it just it was just fucking stupid, you know what I mean?

Tom

To me, anyways, but so I got one last question. All right, all right. So did Rogue One become better because of Andor, or was it already great and Andor just made you appreciate it?

Lou

Andor to me had nothing to do with Rogue One. Yeah, but I think it's not not story-wise, not story-wise.

Tom

Rogue One's solo on as far as being a good thing. I think it made it better, but it really didn't need to make it better. You know what I mean? I think it made Rogue One better, but Rogue One was already good. You know what I mean? It just built off it. I think. Wow, okay because you got to learn more about Cassie and Andor and some of the things.

Lou

See, that's funny. I don't, I don't, I don't think that, I don't I think that Rogue One was great. I don't think that it needed it.

Tom

I didn't even I think it did make it improving. I think it made him. I think it improved it a little bit because it added more context to the movie. To me, so when he watched when I watch Rogue One now, I'm like, oh yeah, there's Andor. I know all the shit that he did. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

Lou

Well, I don't I don't even I know who he didn't know. That's not too anymore. But I don't I don't combine it like you just that you just said. That's wild. Yeah, no, I I didn't I don't I I think Rogue One was just like I said again, that a ma that was that really cool standalone to me. You know what I mean? It gave you the you know it gave you the the the the substance for you know a new hope, you know what I'm saying? Like for that, but right, yeah, yeah, I don't associate it with Andor like that.

Keny

But it's good to know what happened before to get to that point, right?

Lou

Yeah, then you want to know that story. I would love to see some of the other characters, you know, have like a one-season thing, you know what I'm saying? Just to see where they came from, how they met up kind of shit, you know what I mean? And because to me, it would be like the bad batch. You know what I mean? Like that click, that was them, that it would be like a get together, the stupid shit that they did. They were all friends, they liked and hated each other at the same fucking time, you know what I mean? They looked out for one another. That would be the live action version of a you know, bad batch story. Yeah. To me, anyways. That's that's just there's a lot of live action stuff I'd like to see.

Keny

Yeah, sure. Yeah, but you know, that's what I like about Star Wars, because there's always something in that fashion, whether it's lightsabers or you know, the theory.

Tom

I mean, we got to see we got to see live action Clone Wars in Ahsoka, which was cool. No, doubtless. But I would like to see like uh like not as a flashback, like uh, like a I'd like to see them do like a an episode in the Clone Wars. It'd be cool. Like if they did like a like an actual flashback and not like her and the world in between worlds, maybe in season two, like an actual flashback. Yeah, right. So they actually show it's not like weird dreamy sequences like actual Clone Wars. I would be fucking sacred. You see Rex and you actually see uh Thermomorrison like his voice, like oh come on! He said something like that in the But Rex was in one of the movies.

Lou

Wasn't Rex in one of the movies?

Tom

Was it he in uh he was he was it he was in uh Ahsoka and in the and when when she was like having that dream sequence in the World In Between Worlds where she was I thought he was in one of the movies and Darth Vader with yeah, I thought he was in one of the movies.

Lou

Shit. Which movie was it? I think it was episode two, where he when the they captured Anakin and uh was he there? He might have been.

Tom

Was he there? I thought he was. I don't know if he was Rex. Was it Rex that was? That's what I'm saying. I try to remember because that was his suit. There were so many clones on the city. I thought that was his suit because he had the thing. Right, right.

Lou

And he had his helmet off.

Tom

But he's a clone, it could have been anyone. I know I'm gonna say that could have been another commander.

Lou

I wanna I want to say that I remember Obi-Wan saying Rex. Oh, he might have, yeah. And now I gotta pay now I'm gonna have to. Yeah, I'm gonna have to look for it. I'm gonna look that shit up, see that shit. But yeah, man. I I I liked Rogue One. I really did enjoy it. You know, it was one of my favorites also, you know what I mean? And uh, you know, I I think it did set up for I think a lot of our feelings on other people and you know, after we watched it, that it just gave a different view of some of the other characters. Now you got right, you it just adds on to what you own now. Oh, yeah. That's why this, this, and that happened. I I like that though. You know, people talk about how they have movies now where you're having these prequels. I like the prequels.

Keny

So do I, because I want to know what happens.

Lou

Yeah, because I like the idea of knowing how you got to this point. You know what I'm saying? Right.

Tom

I like the idea of adds continuity to the movie. Yeah, especially when you watch the original trilogy. After watching the prequels and Rogue One and even the Han Solo movie, it has so much continuity. Now you watch the original trilogy and it's a completely different movie.

Lou

Right. Yeah, right, exactly.

Tom

And that's why that's why the rewatches are fun.

Lou

Yeah, because now you see, now you understand that holy shit.

Tom

And like I said, I did the deep dive. I watched I watched the movie in Chron. I watched everything in chronological, not just movies. Yeah, yeah. The whole thing in chronological order.

Lou

You know what I did though, because I watched them. I watched them not in order, right? But when I started to watch them, that when I then watched the new stuff in my head, it was like it just lined up. I'm like, oh now I understand. I'm talking to the TV, bro. Yeah. I'm talking to the TV. I'm like, yo, that's where you came from. Who the fuck said that? Everybody looking at me like, what the hell? Who are you talking to? Yeah. The TV. You know? So yeah, I love that shit, man.

Keny

I fucking love it.

unknown

Good.

Keny

It's good to have all that different story and then these stuff. And then they can add to it and change it, you know. What's before that? And then you know, so yeah. The pre-prequels. Pre-pre-pre pre-pre pre pre pre-pre.

Lou

It can go on and on and on. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure.

Keny

But you know what? It can go after that too. Well, the after is good too, because you now that you know the the branch is just widened and everything totally in different directions. So you have a lot to to uh choose from and to create. Yeah, because but I wish they would. I wish they would.

Lou

Because I think they could do so much.

Tom

I mean, Vader was in it, so technically the Skywalkers are in it, but not really follow him. He was there. Same thing with the Rogue One. Vader was there, but he wasn't.

Lou

Yeah, but it was only because but again, this is the it's the background story. You know what I'm saying? It's not like he's the story. You know what I'm saying? Again, you're talking about other characters that happen to cross paths. You know what I mean? That I mean, could be you know, think about it. All the shit that he had to do in, you know, a handful of years. So he was around. He was the he was the face of the empire. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right, exactly. Your empire. That's so fucking great. That is fucking hilarious. But yeah, bro, I mean, like I said, I like it. That's great. Don't do it. Yeah, don't Anakin. You underestimate my power. Yeah. Zim Zoom the way he talks. So it's like fucking two swings. Yeah, his legs and his hands and his arms. It was over. Yeah. That was it, bro. Like a crescent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Boom, boom. Boom. Yeah. Boom, boom. That's all I heard. And then you heard. That was it as such. The limbs hitting the fucking thing. Yeah. HR. That's when his eyes started turning yellow and shit. Super red. Yeah, bro. The shit was kicking in big time. Yeah. He should have just kicked him in. I mean, I know we're taking a say. He just just pushed him into the fucking lava. Right. Or just it's not. That was it, bro. Yeah. Yeah. You're out now. Yeah. Party's over, kid. See ya. Yeah. Night night. Go night night. Yeah. That's fucking great. But so with that, my gentlemen, what do you want to finish off with, bro? What's your end? That's it. That's it. Yeah. All right. I don't have anything else to say. You want to have a closing one? No, no, no, no.

Tom

Just uh, you know, I I I think it's a great movie. I highly recommend it. Yes, definitely. Yeah. Everybody's got to watch it.

Lou

Yeah.

Tom

We're going to do the hama.

Lou

Yes. Oh, okay. So with that, thank you all for listening, watching, like, subscribe, follow, and all that other good shit. Thank you. Appreciate y'all. Find us wherever you listen to your podcast. Yes. So love, peace, and hair grease. Live long and prosper. And may the force be with you.

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