Can Psychedelics Rewire the Brain? Microdosing, DMT & Mental Health

Can psychedelics rewire the brain and change the future of mental health treatment? Tom, Keny, and Lou explore psychedelic therapy, microdosing, psilocybin, DMT, neuroplasticity, mad honey, and the growing debate over psychedelics versus traditional pharmaceuticals.

What begins with classic movie nostalgia and steroids in sports quickly turns into a much deeper conversation about substances that society has feared, criminalized, studied—and may now be reconsidering.

In this episode, the guys discuss:

• Whether psychedelics can help the brain form new neural pathways
• Microdosing and its potential role in mental health treatment
• Psychedelics versus prescription medication
• The importance of mindset, environment, and professional supervision
• DMT experiences and mysterious alleged “entities”
• The strange effects and risks of mad honey
• Foxglove’s history as both a medicinal plant and a dangerous toxin
• How drug laws and cultural stigma shaped public perception
• Whether psychedelic-assisted therapy could eventually enter mainstream healthcare

Could psychedelics become a legitimate tool for treating depression, trauma, and destructive thought patterns—or are people moving faster than the science?

Join CC & NJ Guy for a thoughtful, strange, and occasionally chaotic conversation about medicine, altered states, mental health, and the mysteries of the human brain.

What do you think: medical breakthrough, dangerous hype, or something in between?

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Disclaimer: This episode is for entertainment and general informational purposes only. It is not medical advice and does not encourage illegal or unsupervised substance use. Psychedelics, mad honey, prescription medications, and other substances may carry serious risks and may be illegal in your location. Never begin, stop, or change a medical treatment without consulting a qualified healthcare professional.

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Transcript

Pop Culture And Performance Drugs

Lou 0:01

Live from Crawford Studios.

Keny 0:04

C C J.

Lou 0:06

What? What's good, my peoples? What up, fellas? How y'all doing? Good. You doing okay?

SPEAKER_01 0:12

Yeah.

Lou 0:13

Excellent. Excellent lente. Golden Pony Boy. Ha! That was a good one in a fucking minute. Yeah. The Wanderers, right? Not the Wanderers. That was what was the movie? I don't even know what that's for. Pony Boy. I say it all the time. Yeah, Pony Boy. The Golden Pony Boy. What is that? Patrick Swayze, Ralph Machio. I think we're talking about uh Outsiders?

Tom 0:33

Is that Outsiders? Outsiders.

Lou 0:34

That's the one. Yeah, not The Wanderers, Outsiders. Wanderers is the Lone Gang movie. Yeah, back in the 60s.

Keny 0:41

No, that wasn't The Wanderers.

Lou 0:42

Which was The Wanderers? That was the Sure? It wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 0:45

Oh, yep, nope. You're right. Dan, what the hell's The Wanderers now? I was just talking to somebody about it. I feel like if you're going to do a stallone pressure, you just go, uh, that's what you're going to do.

Keny 0:52

And now they got the new movie coming out about how he got the movie to become how he fought the studio, they were kept giving him the money, and then he said, I'm just going to act, and they're like, no, forget it, you're not doing it. Right, right. He wound up selling his dog for his money, and then you have to buy the dog back.

Lou 1:08

Yeah.

Keny 1:08

You know that pupus in the movie is his real dog. In the movie, remember. Oh no, I didn't know that. Yeah, that was that's his real dog. No kidding. Yeah, that was his. Hey, yo, you think they're my real dog in the movie? And he still has the turtles, too.

Lou 1:20

Cuff and link. The turtles? From the movie. They're still alive? Yeah, turtles live a long time. Well, I thought tortoises lived a long time. I know. Turtles too. I know. Turtles are a long time.

Tom 1:31

Oh shit. Yeah. It's like if you get a parrot, like when you're like a baby, it'll die the same age you do, probably.

Lou 1:37

Wow. They live like 80 years, 80-something years old. Yeah, because what? Stallone is like 80. Certain parrots. I guess it's gonna be depend on the breed, but you know, it's gonna be 80. I can't even believe that, bro. That's just so crazy. And it's wild because it's funny, he looks better than Switchnicker. Yeah. Like his body, like his build, how he stayed, because according to I heard I well, I was talking to somebody about it today and they were and we were saying how Stallone still does the heavy lifting and the workout. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he still works out hard.

Tom 2:01

Yeah, but he does he does roids too, though. Yeah, but Arnold Shut up. Yeah, he does. But yeah, yeah, Arnold doesn't do that. He he also doesn't uh do any plastic surgery, Arnold. He doesn't know. He looks like he does.

Keny 2:12

And yeah, and Stallone's admitted to the fact that he uses Roids.

Lou 2:15

Oh no shit. I didn't even know that. Yeah. Wow.

Keny 2:18

So but whatever. Hey, you know, it's not like he's competing, you know. It's not like he's still fucking and he's 80 years old, but the guy's still going in. You know what I mean?

Tom 2:26

So if you're an actor and it's to keep up your appearance for work, whatever. I don't think there's a problem. It's if it I mean, if you're like athlete and it's giving you an unfair advantage, then it's like you should be doing what.

Lou 2:37

So now that you say that, I know I know it's supposed to start the show, but check it out real quickly, right? You ready? You ready? You ready? There's a now a new league, sporting league, yeah, where you everybody's on roids. At least they're honest. So you remember, yeah, they were showing people that were all working out and what uh you know, like they showed them like before, and now how fucking Jack ducked. Let's do a Roy baseball team. Yeah, exactly what it is, but they have all this thing. They had the swimmer and everything. Yeah, yeah. So the home runs are a little difficult, more difficult. A little bit put a net to put up a net for real. Yeah, yeah. It was in Vegas, bro. It was like uh, where we're in July now, I think it was in the beginning of June. Yeah. I was like, no shit. Yep, and we were talking about this a while back, man. Like a year ago. Yeah. And we were talking about, yo, I was like, fuck this. They should just have like just let them do the roids. They get paid enough money, they could take care of themselves on the other end, and here we go. They're fucking doing Royds. So that's that bullshit because now I'm not gonna get paid. So you seated that into the uh you seated that into the exact yeah, I did it to existence. Yeah. The Mandela effect. Yeah. I made it real.

SPEAKER_01 3:39

Yeah.

Lou 3:39

That is freaking craziness, man. That is insane. But yeah, that was funny. We just went through like three different fucking things. Hey, I have ADHD, so that's like a part of the course of ADHD. Lord's Flatpush. That was the name of the movie with Stallone that he was in the gang back in Brooklyn back in the day. Oh, okay. And Flatbush, that was it.

Keny 3:57

That's right.

Lou 3:58

Yeah. And it was uh Ken Wall. He was the other one that was in it.

Keny 4:02

It was a there were a few actors in that.

Lou 4:04

Yeah.

Keny 4:04

And uh Stallone held had uh Henry Winkler help him with the movie Rocky as well. Yeah, he was involved in it. He was an influence on getting that movie, helping him get it to go where he needed to go to the bright piece of the stuff. Yeah, because of Fonzi, yeah. Hey, now you're doing it. They're really good close. They're still to this day, they're still close friends. Yeah.

Lou 4:23

Henry Winkler is such a nice guy. I don't know how he stayed hanging out with Stallone. I I think Stallone in general is a nice guy. Yeah, I know. I'm just talking shit because it's just funny, man. Because like Henry Winkler is like he's the poster child for like super nice people, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I've seen a couple things. Yeah, everything I see with with with Henry Winkler, he's like, you know, oh my god, he's so great, he's so this, he's so that.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

So, you know, he's nothing. I remember when he got killed in Scream, the first Scream movie.

Lou 4:47

Yes, I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

Yeah. That's funny. That is freaking hilarious. But I mean, if a high school kid's a killer in a horror movie, you might as well take out the principal.

Keny 4:57

Oh, right. Especially if he's a douchebag. No shit. Right.

Lou 5:01

Yo, that is great.

Keny 5:03

So check it out. So

Mad Honey Challenge And First Reactions

Keny 5:04

this episode, I remember watching or seeing a clip from the Joe Rogan show. Okay. And he did a thing about mad honey, and he had it, and he had his guests take it, you know, do a spoonful. So we decided to do the same thing. We all took a teaspoon of mad honey. And uh right now I'm feeling actually pretty relaxed. I don't, you know, I don't feel what did it say, about 90 minutes, give or take? But I mean, I feel good. I'm not, you know, I don't feel anything. But anyway, we took it. We're gonna talk about psychedelics and benefits of that too, and the things that they're finding out now. Right. Yeah, that are really helpful with a lot of people.

Tom 5:36

Huh? I think, yeah, I think uh the whole thing about psychedelics is very fascinating. The medicinal effects, really. I mean, they're talking about people who like like cure mental illness things, you know. I know it was I uh my my my friend uh Suzanne, she uh she she told me she like kind of like her dyslexia is like almost gone. Like she can read, she starts to read and stuff like that. That's amazing.

Lou 5:56

Get the fuck out of here. Yeah. Well, what is she taking though? Psilocybin. That's what it is philocybin. That's physics.

Keny 6:04

That's what the that's the active drug that's in mushrooms.

Lou 6:07

Gotcha. Right. Gotcha, gotcha.

Keny 6:08

But they're finding out that it what it does is it creates different neural pathways, right? It opens up so even people who have had strokes or or haven't walked, even the same with LSD, they're finding out that that even too. Now, of course, they do microdoses, right? They're not just giving them a full. They're just doing super microdoses of stuff. And people go for therapy for it, who may have had trauma in their life and things, and they're finding out it's helping because it helps the brain just open up more. Right. And where it and create neural pathways that that weren't open before. Like people like I've even read something where people who have who were uh in a wheelchair and weren't walking and took philocybe, but all of a sudden now they're starting to get feeling back in their legs and things like that. So they're finding out more and more things. And remember, these are natural things that are that mushrooms are natural. Right. You know? And not only is it good for you and what it helps, although obviously, and you know, you can't really get too screwed up with it, because usually if you're going for microdosing, they have therapists that will walk you through it or something.

Tom 7:09

That's my best way to do it.

Keny 7:10

To have you walk you through your so if you're trying to go off, like if you feel like dark things are starting to happen, they kind of guide you back on the path so you don't go down that road when your mind is. Yeah, so it helps out. Even dolphins mess with puffer fishes because there's a toxin that they give off. And they know exactly how much to bite, they don't kill it, they just bite it enough to

Psilocybin And Brain Rewiring Claims

Keny 7:30

get the toxin to come out, and they do it to get high. What? Swear to God. I was watching a whole thing on it, and they know, and they all do it. They know exactly how much to get to squeeze it enough to get the toxin to come out, and they take and they take it. And they're there's they're swimming around on a buzz, man, you know, doing their thing. That shows you how intelligent they are.

SPEAKER_01 7:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Imagine what it's like swimming in the ocean. That's what I'm thinking, but like it must be in the room.

Tom 7:52

On mushrooms? As a dolphin. As a dolphin.

Lou 7:55

As a dolphin.

Tom 7:56

Yeah, that is freaking hilarious. The thing about psychedelics or you talk about psilocybin specifically, though. Or I is is people have reported that it's cured a lot of their mental illness issues with, you know, things that would take years through therapy. Oh, God, yeah. And and and drugs that just aren't that great to begin with. Yeah. I mean, there's all side effects and shit like that from a lot of and I'm not trying to say anybody shouldn't be taking it. If you you gotta do whatever you gotta do to make you a don't take, you know, I know there's a lot of people who are like, oh, well, you gotta do so simon, so fuck the pharmaceuticals. If the pharmaceuticals is working for you, then do it. But what I'm saying is is I'm all about alternative ways of doing things just because I don't want to be taking a medication the rest of my life. So if there's an option where I don't have to take a medication the rest of my life, I'm gonna fucking take it. Right. You know what I mean? Will it work? TBD. You know? Yeah, you know, to be determined. Yeah, yeah. But you would so but you're still going to therapy while you're doing it.

Keny 9:00

Exactly.

Tom 9:01

And that's why I think the psilocybin on its own, yeah, it's therapeutic. But if you have like a guide or something like that, people do ayahuasca's another one. Right. That's a very popular one. I the only problem I have with ayahuasca is is is is uh they say that it will make you vomit every time.

Keny 9:18

Like that's part of the experience. And then all of a sudden you're just like it's there's a they call it the purge or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

That's that's what I don't like.

Lou 9:26

I don't like part that's throwing up on, right? Yeah.

unknown 9:29

Yeah.

Lou 9:30

Because then the side effect of that is the as you you puke, and if you say you do it two or three times a week, well, you're not gonna do it.

Keny 9:37

First of all, when you trip on that stuff anyway, I think that's not medicinal. No, that's medicinal, but no, no. So when you do it, you just do it like once, you know. It's not every week.

Tom 9:46

Yeah, it's like a it's like a one-time thing, maybe once every month. Yeah, something like that. Oh, okay. I thought you meant something. Guys don't know.

Lou 9:56

I thought you were saying you meant that like, you know, you got it like this is the medicinal using it. Medicinally using it and that, you know, you can throw up. You feel like a good thing. So I'm like, well, you can't fucking do that because that'll burn out your fucking esophagus and feel like a Boleman person, you know? Yeah, exactly. Right, right, right. That's wild. So now what are have you guys heard of any of the side effects? See, so I know nothing about any of this shit. You guys know that. So that then what kind of side effects have people have you heard that people may have from any of this?

Keny 10:21

Well, you can obviously you could take too much of something. Right, right, fair enough, right.

Lou 10:26

That's why you said microdosing first. But with the microdosing, has that like are there any kind of side effects?

Keny 10:31

Is it, you know, like Yeah, you're gonna get you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna get you're gonna trip, you're gonna feel emotional. You're gonna look, I know when I took psilocybin, the last time I took it, right? I ate the whole bar, all right? Right. And uh I was tripping balls, but I was having a good trip. Right. And but I was listening to music, right? I had my headphones on, I was crying and laughing at the same time because it wasn't it wasn't like a bad thing. I don't need to death. It was emotional, but to the point where it was like it felt good. Like you're just your emotions start to take over, and you just and the main idea too is and I chat you be there this, you need to let go of the ego. Right. So what a lot of people do is when they're tripping, especially if they're not experiencing it, not that I'm experiencing it, but they say, Don't fight it. Right. You'll make it worse. So if you're trying, like after you do it and you're like, now you're trying, because you're gonna get yourself paranoid and fright. Right, right. Let it go. And just start doing its thing. And you just start you'll start seeing colors, you'll start seeing streams, you'll start, you know, the music, right, or whatever it is you you do how you do it. Or if you have a trip sitter and they help you walk you through it. Right. I know they do the same thing with uh peyote. They you know, you could do that like the American Indians, they'll have they do their own thing. That you know you if you want to get real peyote, you gotta go through with American Indians to get it. You can't get it, but you can get it in Escaline, which is the lab version. Right, right, right.

Tom 11:52

They they only uh Yeah, because there's only a certain amount of it, so like it's only for the indigenous people. Right. You can't just buy it.

Keny 11:58

Right. I'm sure you could if you knew somebody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could get it and do it along with them, but that's also supposed to be a very spiritual awakening as well. So it's it's and a lot of that stuff has been going on since the beginning of everyone. Right. Yeah, right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Even animals were eating this stuff. You know what I mean? So it wasn't so it was there and it was there for a reason, obvious. Right. You know what I mean?

Lou 12:20

So now so you said that mescs is the lab version of that.

Keny 12:24

Right. And the the American Indies are okay with that. I was watching this whole program where this guy was saying, we don't have a problem if if people want to do the mesk limp because that's fine, but they they can't get the peyote unless, of course, they do it with them. Right, right. Yeah, you gotta come into the power ritual and everything. Right, exactly. Got it, got it, got it.

Tom 12:40

Um, because there's only a limited amount of it, and I think it grows like really slow. Right. No, like it's not like you know, like it takes a long time for it to grow because it's a cactus, right? Yes. Some cactus take a lot of water, so they they do grow slow, cactuses. So does that make sense? It's more out west, right? I believe is where it's more. Yeah, but the desert.

Keny 12:59

Like Arizona and Yeah, yeah, in the desert.

Tom 13:01

Yeah.

Keny 13:01

Yeah, those areas there is where they have it. So but if you get a trip sitter, somebody who's gonna walk you through it, which is good because it yeah, you're talking to somebody. The whole thing is to be able to talk and laugh and cry, whatever it is that you're going through. Yeah, it it it is in a sense an awakening. It kind of helps you get you can't avoid whatever you're feeling inside. Okay. You follow what I'm saying? Like you can't you and that's the whole point of saying that. It's happening, just let it happen. But that's the whole part of the right.

SPEAKER_01 13:28

That's when people are like, oh my god, I saw spiders crawling on the walls on my face.

Keny 13:32

It's like, because you're fighting it. I just well have the experience and let it happen.

Lou 13:37

The book you guys have done it, yes?

Keny 13:38

I've done psilocybin a couple of times. Yes. All right. I've also done mescaline.

Lou 13:42

All right. So now it's been a while though. When you've done it and you had your trip, right? You're saying let go and you know, just like enjoy the experience. Right.

Keny 13:51

Don't be tense, relax, let it happen. Listen to whatever it is you're listening to or watching.

Lou 13:56

Before you took it, did you try to make yourself be in a good place? Like in, like, I mean, like, you know, like laughing or like were you watching something like that?

Tom 14:05

You want to make sure you're not having a bad day. Don't take it if you're in a bad day.

Lou 14:08

Okay, that's what I'm saying.

Tom 14:09

Something you're worried about, or you're worried about something, or you got a big coming on, or like something. Yeah, you don't want to do that.

Lou 14:16

So you want to take it.

Tom 14:17

So make sure you're in a good head space. That's what I'm saying.

Lou 14:19

Before you even take it, be in a good space. You want to make sure you don't have to be like in a perfect, just no shit going on. Yeah, you want to be in a good day. Yeah, you want to have had it, like you said, a good day.

Keny 14:28

Sit down, relax. Yeah, you know, you know, my wife, she she trips at me once, you know, and she fell asleep the first time I did it. And she woke up, God, are you all right? Laughing, and I got tears coming down out of my face, rolled down my eyes. You're crying and you're laughing at the same time. Like, I know this is amazing. I'm like, I'm bugging out. I was like dripping my balls off. But

Trip Sitters, Mindset, And Safety Basics

Keny 14:50

it was good because I was just letting it happen. Right. You know, and I was in a good space. And I knew she was there with me, so I knew that. Right, you knew you were safe, if anything. I was safe. And then they always say that make sure you're doing it with somebody who's around that can be with you, who can walk you through it in case you kind of go off the trail and you're going in a different direction.

Tom 15:07

But the thing I think there's a lot of misconception about psychedelic. And like the big misconception is like they compare it to like hardcore drugs because and the problem is is is the legal system hasn't caught up to it yet. It's getting there though. But the the thing is, is it's it's first of all, it's not addicting. You can't get addicted to psychedelics. Like it they're just not addicting. Like it's just but you know, are they dangerous? Yeah, I mean, you shouldn't, you know, get in your fucking car and take, you know, a strong psychedelic, but don't and then freaking get away from the room. You know, you know, but like it's it's not like a dangerous in the fact that like a lot of people don't realize like there is like you're you're in control of yourself. You're not like gonna like wander off or jump off the fucking balcony or something like that.

Keny 15:52

That's that's that doesn't happen with but your but you everything is heightened. Your senses are heightened, of course. Your sight, your hearing, your feelings. When you're doing the shrooms. Yeah. It's amazing. All right. It really is a uh it's an amazing trip. And if you do it right, now I know people who have done it and have gotten really sick on it because they did the opposite. They weren't in the right head, they were already paranoid, they were to ready to take it, and they screwed it up and they were fucked for the rest of the night. Right. You know what I mean? Right. You can't do that. You have to be in the right mindset. You don't want to be in a bad mood or sad or down or any of that. Now, when they do it in therapy, they microdose it, right? Right. And they're sitting there with you. So they're almost, it's like a trip sit, but it's your therapist, you know? Right, right. So whatever emotions you're going through, it helps you get through them and and talk or whatever. I think they even do it with the LSD. They're doing microdosing now, too, which is also a huge thing that they're finding out is very helpful. Also opens up different neural pathways and things of that nature. Yeah. That opens up the brain and just just lets you start. Well, LSD is addicting though, right? No, no. You can take too much of it and do it all the time. But it's not like you're not like, oh, I gotta I got the uh give me some alpha.

Tom 16:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not like that. All right.

Lou 17:01

Well, then go ahead. So we'll go by what the myth was, what I believed, what I thought it was. Right. That, you know, yeah, microdosing, you know, you're cool, whatever, if you don't like have that addictive personality, whatever, whatever. But now you're saying taking the LSD. Now, again, just something that we had spoken on a show back when. Yeah, way back, yeah. That you know, we remember the P the the PSAs were, you know, like don't do these drugs because it's addicting, and you'll end up like this crackhead, and you're gonna be homeless, and you know, you're gonna be the junkie, and then you know that's when they were like, you know, the hippies were the bad people and shit, and you know, you just become lazy and smoking the weed and everything. Yeah. So that then, like, so then my question is your hallucinate hallucination. Hallucinogenic. No, no, hallu hallucinating, right? Your hallucinations and stuff like that would be more because you took too much, because you did too much, because you're in a bad headspace. Like all the things that they say about it.

Keny 17:56

Hallucinations will happen, right? But again, like you just said, if you're in a bad head space, and LST is a powerful hallucinogenic. Uh-huh. And you don't want to just, if you have never done it before, right. And I've spoken to people about this, they're like, don't, you have to microdose it before you do it. And they say the same thing with shrooms, but they're two different things, you know what I mean? So you're gonna get a totally different trip on LSC. Now, I've never done LST. I would like to try it, I'd like to micro-dose it and check it out. But it allows you to get in touch with things or come to terms with things that you haven't had, you know, whether it's emotional or things that happen in your life that you had trauma to get through that trauma, to talk through it. That far back I think.

Tom 18:35

Yeah, I'm I'm not interested in that.

Keny 18:37

I'm not interested in that either, but I'm saying it's good for people who they've helped people with that trauma.

Tom 18:41

The problem with LSD is like that. I just want to trip balls. It's it's hours. Hours. Yeah, it's hours. It's like a whole eight hours. It's the same with mescline. Eight hours, twelve hours, twenty-four hours. You're not sleeping.

Keny 18:53

Yeah. You're not sleeping. All day. I've done mescaline when I was younger. I haven't done it in all the time.

Tom 19:00

Because you have to think about things like work and stuff.

Keny 19:02

Yeah. It's like you don't know how long it's gonna last. Right. It's a it's a whole night thing. It's an all-night thing. Yeah, so yeah, do it on a Friday night. Now with shrooms, it's like anywhere, I think, for four to six hours, you know, and you might still have residuals, but it you it you're coming down off of it. And you're not getting a hangover or anything like that.

LSD And Mescaline Time Commitment

Keny 19:18

So I just pulled something up that I just wanted to read in reference to uh to so rewiring shrooms or psilocybin mushrooms help people primarily by rewiring the brain, neural pathways to treat severe mental health and substance abuse disorders. So it also helps substance abuse. That's the crazy that's right. I forgot about that. Yes, so let me read that. With administered in a controlled clinical setting is alongside psychotherapy, the active compound of philocybin, has also historic success in breaking deep-rooted negative behavior patterns. The US Food and Drug Administration FDA has now granted breakthrough therapy status to fact-check philocybin, is assisted with psychotherapy trials due to profound medical potential.

Tom 20:02

No shit. Yeah, like people like instead of like heroin addicts having to take fucking methadone all the fucking time, they can do like a guided, like psychedelic trip and like they can overcome their addiction. Right. Which is amazing. Which I'm sure it's a couple of therapy sessions, but I'm sure because that, you know, I I know it's it it's a treat considered a treatment, but it fucks people up. So then like that.

Lou 20:26

No, no, it's right. So then it's better than than methadone.

Keny 20:29

Yeah. Well, well, check this out. Marijuana has helped people get off of opioids easier than trying to just go cold turkey. So they're finding that marijuana actually helps people and then they don't go back. And that's the thing. So they say that it helps them gradually get off of it in a better way, and then and it eases them off of it, and they don't have the same side effects as they would do like crazy. Isn't that crazy? Now we grew up in an era where like all drugs are bad, and then they're finding out maybe not. Maybe no, they're not all bad. But then too, don't forget. But they could be bad if you're using the wrong one. Yeah, if you're using it.

Drug War Myths And Pharma Distrust

Lou 21:02

Well, don't forget. We've heard and we've you know, and I said in the shows that we did in the past about this shit. Right. Yeah, just saying no was like because uh, you know, that was big pharma and don't use the drugs and whatnot because that was during the Reagan administration.

Tom 21:15

Yeah, yeah.

Lou 21:16

And before that, actually, because that was in the 70s. Yeah, that was uh Nancy Reagan. Yeah, you know, but it was still about, you know, it was still the leftover thought process of drugs, of the LSD, of the, you know, any kind of drug in the 60s and 70s and how people got hired.

Keny 21:32

That stuff was all propaganda, you know, in a lab. And you know what's the thing that annoys natural?

Tom 21:38

I'm gonna get a little off topic, but it just annoys me. You know, they hold it that old, just say no, just say no. Right. And then they were giving money to the Contras to bring in the cocaine. Bring in the cocaine. Yeah. Right. To make the colour. The government was like, Yeah, here, yeah, yeah, bring that shit in because we're gonna work a deal with you. Just say no. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lou 21:55

But they were using coke in a lot of different uh drugs though, and affair and legal drugs, right? Weren't they? I mean, yeah, back in the turn of the early 1900s.

Tom 22:05

I mean, you know what? That's why I never put the fucking tutor together about Coca-Cola. I'm so fucking stupid. I'm like Coca-Cola. Coca leaves. That's why it's called that.

Keny 22:18

Even marijuana was like legal too back in the day. Right, yeah. Because you can get it at your you can get it at your drugstore. But then of course, things that things progressed, it became a no, oh, we gotta ban all this stuff, and then it became illegal.

Lou 22:30

And then if you got caught with it, and then stopped using it because they were using the uh everything. They were using the whole plant. And you know, that's they had clothes and you know, hemp clothes, they had the shoes. But we did an episode on that too.

Keny 22:41

Right, yeah. So I'm saying we had all that stuff. Paper, now they find that they can make toilet paper out of it, because it grows so much, you could just grow it and grow. But uh bamboo as well. Bamboo, yeah, listen. It just grows. I would love if I had property, I would do that.

Tom 22:52

Bamboo and cotton are like the three like major like fibers that much. And that's how you have hemp, bamboo, and fiber. Yeah, right.

Lou 23:00

They last hemp, bamboo, and cotton.

Keny 23:01

They will grow like nobody's business. Right.

Lou 23:03

So that's what I'm saying. So that then the the the conspiracy thought process was between big farm and just big business as a whole, where they suppress people unlistening, paying attention, going to buy, you know, these drugs, these things, using them, made them illegal.

Keny 23:17

Did you know that Ford, the motor company, okay, back in the day, I'm gonna say like 40s, 50s, right, were working on making cars out of hemp, using them. And they used to hit them with hammers and they wouldn't break because they were so strong and everything like that. But it got pushed to the wayside. They didn't let them do it. He was gonna grow farms of hemp and use it to have cars made out of that instead of metal. Truck and chicom. You just made it out of that because it was lighter. I've never heard that. But it was just as strong, if not stronger. Get the fucking metal. Yeah, I was reading the whole thing on it the other day. I knew that. I've never heard that before.

Lou 23:52

I didn't know that. Never heard that before. I've only heard that it's at the corner. Well, because oil, yeah. That's the whole thing, man. It's everything that's not going to last long enough for you not to have to buy another one. Does that make sense? Right. They want to make sure you want to make sure, like, you know, this light bulb, this light bulb is only gonna last for 2,000 hours. So then this way you have to go and buy another light bulb.

Keny 24:14

And they knew then that they could actually make it last for most forever.

Tom 24:18

By the way, speaking of that, not to digress too much, but France signed a bill making it illegal for companies in their country, of course, not to for planned obsolescence. Obsolete. Because that's what fucking companies do, like iPhone, you know, they they uh they plant. Well they plan something to become obsolete from two years from now so they can keep selling it. So they made it illegal. The first country to do that. Hopefully, other countries start adopting that, especially if Europe, if they do it all in Europe, they're gonna have to, because it's a major market, they're gonna have to change. Agree. So that's very important. So a lot of people are like, oh, well, we need to pass legislation in the United States. No, you don't. If you play with it somewhere else, they gotta they can't make two stuff separate things. It's not, you know.

Lou 24:58

So well, I mean, but it's also one of those things too. Look at how many things that the United States lets happen here, you know, drug-wise and stuff that they don't happen in other countries.

Tom 25:05

Yeah, yeah. But some like tech tech stuff, like because they sell so like kind of like uh with iPhone, you know, they had their lightning charger cables and now they're going to USB C because Europe made it standardized. So now they're just like, ah, fuck it, I guess we gotta do it everywhere. So if they start this, so if they pass this law for I I know we're getting off topic, no, no, no. This law for play where they make it illegal for planned obsolescence, that means that uh that could change a lot of things because that's the biggest problem, is these companies are still.

Keny 25:31

Yeah, well, that's the thing because they want a corner the market and they don't want anybody to go outside of the norms make shit that's clear making the money. Right. And then and the government's just other ways to make money without having to have planned obsolescence. It's crazy. So let me just read a little bit more about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead.

Clinical Research, Depression, And Addiction

Lou 25:46

You're reading Willie Will today, too.

Keny 25:47

Uh end-of-life existential anxiety. Research for institutions like John Hopkins Medicine show that philocybin psilocybin, I'm sorry, dramatically eases existential dread, anxiety, depression, and patients facing terminal illnesses like advanced cancer, overcoming addiction, PS PTSD traumas, and treatments like resistance to depression. Clinical studies show that just one or two guided psilocybin sessions can produce massive, rapid reductions in depression symptoms, providing relief and lasts for months where traditional antidepressants fail. There it is. Unbelievable. It's amazing.

Lou 26:22

I'm telling you, man, it's it's insane. Listening to you guys talk about. Yeah, right. I mean, listening to you guys, because I said I don't know anything about any of this stuff. That's why I'm asking so many questions. But it's like everything that I've ever heard andor known about, you know, as far as these drugs are concerned. I'm like, so now it's well, I mean, I guess it's like anything else. It's how you use it that could then benefit, you know, mankind. You know what I'm saying? It's gonna make make things easier, make things better. Like the shit, what was it, this honey? What's it called? The what honey? Mad honey. Mad honey. So now you have that, you know, mad honey. They can put these things in it. You can have it with your morning tea. Right. You know what I'm saying? You can have it with, you know, on your cinnabons,

Mad Honey Dosing And Risk Factors

Lou 26:58

you know what I'm saying? You could have all that healthy shit and have this drink.

Tom 27:02

The interesting thing about mad honey is the reason why it's illegal is the way it works. It's actually considered a neurotoxin. Right. So because it doesn't work the same way that like other um like psychedelics work, like so how does this work? Well, it's a neurotoxin. I forget how psychedelics work. I forget I was reading it. Like it has something to do with sodium or something, and sodium, I forget what the it got really technical when I looked it up on Chat GPT. But like it was, it had something to do with like something in the brain, but like mad honey is a little bit different because it's like a it's a weak neurotoxin, so it gets makes you relax and it can make you hallucinate in some cases, not all the time, but instead of and it depends on the potency of that batch they get too.

Keny 27:40

Right. Sometimes each potent each batch they get, because it's from beast. So all right, all right, wait. So each one could be a little bit stronger than the other, meaning the the mad honey.

Lou 27:48

Each batch could be different, it could be hot less weaker, or there's no regulating how potent you can get that shit. How do they know how potent it is? Or they don't even like it. You won't know well. I'm saying, so I'm sorry. So my question would be like, so you get the jar of the honey, right, and it doesn't say, you know, like 80 proof. So no, yeah.

Tom 28:05

It's not like, see, and it's not like it's not like you know like a dispensary. Two kilos. Yeah, right, exactly. Yeah, they should have it lab tested.

Keny 28:12

Well, so I this is what I got here. It says consumed in strict minimal doses, typically less than a single teaspoon. Mad honey is highly valued in local communities and alternative medicine for several therapeutic effects. These benefits stem from both the natural nutrients of raw honey and the psychological impact of gray antitoxins, if I'm pronouncing that correctly. Hypertension management, one of the most common uses of mad honey is regions like Turkey, is an alternative treatment for blood pressure. Gray untoxins exert natural vasodeloratory. Sorry, guys. Affect relaxing blood vessels, improving circulation, and lower blood pressure. Also for gastrointestinal relief and sexual performance. Sexual performance across the high Himalayas and the Black Sea region, mad honey has a centuries old reputation as a potent aphrodisiac. Its ability to increase blood flow through the body is believed to naturally enhance stamina and sexual function. Now, is it do is it?

Lou 29:15

Yeah, are you stupid? Now she's gonna come downstairs. Like, what happened? Are you guys okay? Yeah. So now is it but it is it by uh the potency?

Keny 29:24

So like I would imagine they would know whoever is if you're getting it or using it, however, like I guess it's in different places, like they said turkey and other origins. So I don't know how much, it doesn't say how much to take, but less, usually it's less teaspoon or less is what you're taking. Right. Any more than that, it could you'll get negative effects. So you want to stay within the the Yeah, because it's a neurotoxin. Right. You don't want to go too much because you can get nauseous, you get sick. You eat like three jars, you might probably like to do it.

Lou 29:55

You don't want to take more than that.

Keny 29:56

Yeah. Whatever they the recommended amount.

Lou 29:58

So they say a teaspoon is the most you should be taking. Got it. That's insane that you guys like that you guys are telling me this shit is a fucking neurotoxin.

Keny 30:06

It's amazing though, right? Because you think about it.

Lou 30:08

Because that guy was like, wait, what?

unknown 30:09

What?

Lou 30:10

Because again, for honey of all things. Right, of honey. But I'm not sure. It's because of the flowers that they're pollinating it from, and that's how it's created. Right. So then now, if we go to and you know, wherever that they're growing cannabis, that now you have the bees that are going there, you get that honey. You can do that as well.

Keny 30:25

You can get honey from cannabis. They can have bees that have made honey from cannabis. Well, what's that uh what's

Foxglove, Digoxin, And Poison As Medicine

Keny 30:30

that flower?

Tom 30:30

My God, I had I used to have one growing in my front yard. It's they make a specific heart medication out of it. Digit digit something. I forget what the it's a flower and it it's poisonous, but they make heart medication out of it because it lowers your heart rate. But it's in low amounts, it's heart medication. What? In what the hell is the can you look it up? Uh flower that is used for heart medication. It's like a it's a perennial.

Lou 30:54

So that you can people have it like growing in the in front of their house, kind of.

Tom 30:57

I had it in front of my house, but it's a nice flower. It's a beautiful flower. It's I mean, it's uh it's but it is it could be used for heart medication, but you might have to.

Lou 31:04

But what kind of poisonous is it? Like so I mean I mean, uh oddly it's not that you can turn on touchy.

Keny 31:09

Several flowers are recognized for supporting cardiovascular health, acting either through a daily dietary support or as a baseline source for highly just uh hawthorn flower. No, that's not that's not the one. Caetaceous, primary benefit. Uh hibiscus. Not hibiscus. That's another one, and foxglove. Foxglove.

Tom 31:27

That's the one. Foxglove. It's a very beautiful flower. It's a perennial, but it's a two-year perennial, so it it all grows better. So you grow two of them and alternate years to grow.

Keny 31:36

It says it corrects life-threatening irregular heartbeats and advanced heart failure. Yeah, how does it be? It makes digit digit I forget what it's called, digis something or this is strictly a pharmaceutical source and must never be consumed raw and is highly toxic. Yeah, it's the plant that produces complex chemicals called cardiac glycosides. Laboratories extract these, create digoxin.

Tom 31:58

Is that what it's called?

Keny 31:59

I don't know. D-I-G-O-X-I-N, so digoxin. Dijoxin. Dijo.

Tom 32:04

Yeah, the digoxin. Yeah, digoxin. That's it.

Keny 32:07

Medication prescribed to slow electrical impulse heart impulses and maximize the pumping power of heart failure. Yeah.

Tom 32:13

So but it's like it has to be a really small amount extracted. It's got to be regulated. If you try to even take a small amount, you could poison yourself. Right. Like it's done in a pharma pharmaceutic, you know, pharmaceutical where they extract.

Lou 32:26

So then how did you have it grown in front of your house when you touched it and you you know you wouldn't have to be able to do it?

Tom 32:30

No, it does it's not it's only ingested. So you could touch it. No, you can't it's not like uh through the skin or anything like that. Just if you ingest it. So as long as you don't eat it, you're fine. Right. They're they're not they're they're beautiful flowers, but it's uh the other thing that I had them grow, it's I didn't realize that they're two-year perennials. So every other it doesn't come back. It's like, oh no, I gotta void.

Lou 32:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Keny 32:52

That's fucking hilarious. That is

DMT Stories, Entities, And Consciousness

Keny 32:54

insane. Tom and I were talking about something that people also take, but it's not necessarily a trip that you're having, but more so going to a different dimension. Yes. DMT. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where people have gone. I was watching this, I saw the video he was talking about where if you keep taking it, you're actually a place where there's other higher people say they experience entities.

Tom 33:17

Right. But there's been a lot of videos, and you could look it up where they say the entities lock them out and then they can't trip anymore.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

They tell them you're banned. You're banned.

Tom 33:28

You can't from the realm or whatever. So why were they banged? Like, is it because I've heard stories where someone said like something fucked up to one of the entities and they're like, you don't you're you don't belong here. You're out, and you're banned.

Lou 33:39

And then they try doing it again and they're off of just that stuff, or they can't trip to go to that place.

Tom 33:45

Yeah, they they they they do the DMT and nothing happens.

Lou 33:47

So they don't even get a little bug, they don't get no kind of high to stay flat.

Tom 33:50

That's that's where you're like, wait a sec. Maybe there's something, some kind of fucking spiritual shit. There's something else to it? Like, what's going on here? Like are are they maybe you are going, maybe you're tripping you actually are going to another realm. You know, who the fuck knows? I don't know. But that's that's weird. Like that's you're banned, and then all of a sudden you kick off.

Keny 34:09

So you're locked down. Right. Okay, go ahead. What'd you say? That's freaking crazy, right? Because now that's it. This is so this is beyond an actual trip. You're actually going outside of what you normally are used to seeing every day with your own eyes.

Lou 34:20

But so now when you do the when you do it, so you're you're basically you're laying it, like you take it, you're hanging out in the house, you're on your couch, and it's like an out of body experience kind of.

Keny 34:33

But is it's like at an out-of-body experience. Yeah, I would imagine I've never done it. I've never done it before. No, no, no.

Lou 34:40

I mean like what people have said. Where are you getting the info from?

Keny 34:42

I'm checking it out.

Lou 34:43

No, no, say, are you on chat? No, no, some videos on it.

Keny 34:46

You know, Dymouthhyro DMT. Right, right. Tells people primarily by wrapping. The medical community has increasingly embraced DMT. For example, the FDA has approved, granted breakthrough therapy designations to small molecule DMT formulations for clinical trials targeting major depression disorder.

Tom 35:22

Like I said, they're finding a lot of psychedelics because of what we're talking about earlier, opening up neuropathways. Right. So there's is a science behind it. Right. You know, it's not just about Oh, cool, look at the colors. Right, right, right, right. Like that's recreational use, but there's actual medicinal use for it. You know, the recreational use is just because I want to see stuff, man. You know what I mean? Like that, you know, but there's actual, like, like, like, not just med like psychological help, but it's culture first things like if you're in a real that's very cool.

Lou 35:51

Severe depression, and it just rewires you kind of shit. Well, then now, so for you, Tom, I'll ask this. Well, both you guys. Okay. But so now here it is again, you know, like I started to say before, we've heard the studies of you know, and uh the the military taking people or you know, just yeah, you know, whatever, taking, you know, soldiers or criminals, the people that are locked up, got life in jail or whatever, and they're giving them all this LSD. Well, I don't I'm saying like I guess they didn't know about the microdosing back then. Yeah. Okay, so that then now they're giving them doses of all this, you know, LSD and all that other stuff.

Keny 36:23

But they gave it to them in larger quantities.

Lou 36:26

Right, to see what it was. So that then now us, you guys, not us, you guys reading on this stuff, could it be that now it's it's where uh people are like, yo, we can really do this to help the world out?

Keny 36:39

Yeah.

Lou 36:39

I guess is I know it sounded crazy, I guess. No, it sounds like a dead end thing.

Keny 36:42

Therapy is a good thing, right? Therapy alone is a good thing if you go to therapy, right? Right, right. But if something's going on with your neural pathways and you're you're stuck where you can't get it out of that mindset that you're in, depression, whatever it is, suicidal, and this particular drug can help you with microdosing or however it works, either one of those things, whether it's philocyamin or problems, DMHLSD, whatever it might be. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

Tom 37:06

No, no, I was just saying the problem with like I think it's a better alternative because the problem is, and I'm not saying don't take again, if you have a mental illness, you have mental issues, and you gotta take pharmaceuticals by all means. I'm not saying don't take them. Right. But what I'm saying is, is there's a lot of side effects to that. You know, you get weight gain, you're doesn't work. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. You're uh you know, you're dude, it doesn't work. Right, right, right. You know, like that's a lot of there's a lot of like side effects, negative stuff.

Keny 37:35

Yeah. And uh if you could avoid that and mitigate that, right, because nine times out of ten, that one drug, like you were just saying, well, you've got we have this other one, you could take that along with it. This will help take care of the other side of it. Yeah, like yeah, it's just more lab drugs. Stop insane. It doesn't make any sense. You know, it's just it's ridiculous.

Tom 37:53

If there's an alternative that can avoid that, right.

Keny 37:57

I don't I don't see that as a problem. Right. Tom was saying about neuroplasticity in the brain repair. Research demonstrates that DMT acts as a powerful psychoplastigen, physically stimulating the brain to grow new neural connections and spin new synopsis, synopsis, helping the brain escape toxic and repetitive thoughts and loops. In other words, sometimes we get caught, like even us, you know, everyday stuff. You know, you get that thing in your head, sometimes you can't stop thinking about it, or something's going on in your life, and you're like, oh fuck, I need to really stop thinking about this because it's driving me bananas, you know. Right. Whatever is a negative thought or something, somebody pushes you awesome. That's the word intrusive thoughts. Right. And it's just you gotta get, and it helps that get out, get you out of that, which is amazing, you know, that it could do that. The brain is an amazing thing though, when you think about it because there's so much more to the brain that we have no clue. And now they're really finding out more because of these they still don't know where consciousness comes from in the brain, and they're still working on that.

Tom 38:54

You know, there's a lot of theories that it doesn't come from the brain. Right.

Lou 38:57

But you know where's it come from? What's the theory?

Tom 38:59

Outside someone. So it's like they're like remote controls, an alternate dimension.

Keny 39:03

Right, got it. That's a theory, you know. Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 39:05

That's a very uh what's the word I'm looking for? Uh I forget what the or uh I don't know. Yeah. But you remember you say so.

Lou 39:11

I I guess I mean, I I mean again, me hearing what you guys are saying and everything that I've known, I'm not it just it almost feels hard to believe in a sense. You know what I mean?

Tom 39:22

Because we were told so many years the expansion is what it was.

Lou 39:25

You're hearing one side of it. Right. And then you know, you see the crackheads, you see people who are junkies in some way, shape, or form. Yeah, but you're you're talking about drugs that are not But what I'm saying is that that's what these drugs that you're talking about have been associated with associated exactly. Then now it's like, yo, for real, like you can really take, you know, a little bit of this stuff and it could help you with it.

Tom 39:44

That's like you guys could feel like it's like they lump it with the same thing with someone doing heroin's got scars all over the face, and all fucked up, they're teeth different with you know.

Keny 39:51

And it's just not. It's not. It's not the same. And of course, if you do too much of anything, anything, right? It's bad for you. It's gonna have a side effect, you know, and that's why you're if you're gonna do this, you you definitely should have a tripsitter and be guided through.

Tom 40:03

That's why I like that one guy. He yeah, we we follow him on our channel. He's uh he's like a rabbi, but he talks about some real shit. I know which one you're talking about. And he's like, he's like the drug. He goes, he goes, I got a lot of shit for this. He doesn't say shit, but he goes, Yeah, he goes, he goes, the drug isn't the problem, it's the solution. He goes, but the solution will mess your body up. Right. He goes, because that's what the thing is, he goes, Yeah, people who have drug problems, it goes, they're not, they don't become addicted because you know they have problems and and they're they're trying to find a solution.

Keny 40:32

That's why we come and then that they're trying to get away from the pain. Yeah, and that's just helping it.

Lou 40:36

Right.

Keny 40:37

But at the same time, it's causing more problems. Yeah, all right, so then they're they're they're abusing their body with the thing.

Tom 40:42

It's not a good solution, but it is a solution. Right. You know what I mean? And that's the thing no one wants to admit is like, yeah, it's bad for them, but like they're seeking help. Right. Right. Yes, yes, and yes, and no one wants to admit that. It's like, oh, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. Yeah. It's like, wait a sec. They're trying to get help, so why not help them in some way in a different way, you know? Help now. My next question. You can't just say, don't do it. They have they still have the fucking problem. You know what I mean?

Microdosing Versus Numbing The Pain

Lou 41:07

Yeah, like yeah, muscle through with it, you know, put your big boy pants on and fuck it. Oh yeah, fuck your trauma. Don't do that. Yeah, right. There's no trauma, it's just you grow the fuck up, kind of shit. So now, here it is where I know of people who have been have been drug users, and then when they stop, they get older, now their bodies are falling apart, right? Granted, it was because they were, you know, they were using the drugs and they were using it to to the excess. Right. Right? So now to the point where they can't stop.

Keny 41:34

They need it all the time.

Lou 41:35

So that then now micro-dosing, right? So let's just say, you know, because of what how we've been speaking on it, you are micro-dosing on some of this stuff that you guys are talking about that you know, that's good for you. And say if you do it for five years, you know, you're micro-dosing and I don't have to think it's that long. Well, I'm just using I'm just saying, you know, whatever it is, however long it is, for whichever one that you're micro-dosing with, you know, I'm just using five years as a number because of what we believe certain illnesses and you know, things to be and whatever, that now does when you stop doing the drug, does your body then deteriorate?

Keny 42:07

No. You know what I'm saying? It's it's more beneficial because it's helping you rewire certain neural pathways, it's helping you get over whatever is going on in your life. Even physically. Okay. Forget about the even the mental part, but physically, so what you're doing is you're trying to get to a place where you don't have to worry about you're gonna have to keep using it. Because you're not gonna think about, oh, I want it again. Right. You're not gonna want it because you are in a good place now, you feel better. Right.

Tom 42:32

And that's where it gets you. Go ahead. But that's the beauty of it, is because like, you know, you look at pharmaceuticals, it's like, oh, you gotta take this the rest of your life. You know if not, yeah. Same with that. But like, it's like it's like, oh, you gotta take this the rest of your life. And it's like, well, these are psychedelics, you gotta take them a few times and you're cured. But they can't use the word cured because it's like, isn't that funny? That like that's such a dirty word in the scientific community. Yeah, yeah. It's like cured. Like, no, it it does fucking cure it. And like that, no one wants to use that word because it's like such a oh, because because and it's honestly, I'm I'm gonna get conspiratorial. It's that's the pharmaceutical company controlling things. It's like, oh, we don't want to use the word cure because then we can't charge you every fucking week, right?

Lou 43:10

Right at the at the at the pharmacy. But you can't make that promise on anything, regardless, only because what works on you, your tolerance level is different than what mine is, than what's different in the different things. No, said they're not.

Keny 43:22

They sought you up for this, but they sought whatever therapy that you need. So you're actually helping yourself because you're you're dealing with the therapy, you're dealing with the issue you might have or the trauma that whatever happened in your life. Right. And that microdosing is helping you to deal with it rather than run away from it. Whereas most people take drugs like heroin or opioids and get out of pain, they're not dealing with anything. They're just trying to mask the pain. Same with alcohol. Right, right, right. Same with alcohol, right? You're masking it. But with this, you're confronting what's going on, but you're able to deal with it.

Tom 43:50

Same thing with that guy I said the alcohol is the solution for that. Right. It's not a good solution, but it is the solution for that moment.

Keny 43:57

For that moment. And then what happens? They wind up having another chip. Yeah. And it gets worse and it just snowballs. You know, it's just you know it's uh it's good that there was was starting to be more open about it. And those things are starting to come to light where it's like, oh, wait a minute. It's not what it was and what they said it was. Right, right. I'm curious.

Tom 44:17

Let's see what happens in the next like 20 years.

Keny 44:19

I'm really curious.

Lou 44:20

Yeah, I'm curious. I don't even know if we're gonna go that far. I mean, I'm saying the next five, ten years.

Tom 44:24

I mean, yeah, but uh you know what I mean? Like twenty years from now it might even be more stuff they're gonna find out. You know what I mean?

Keny 44:30

Oh, all right, fair enough. Yeah. As far as his brain is concerned, where they might be able to, you know, unlock certain things or areas of your brain that you weren't able to, you know

Neurotech, Stroke Recovery, And The Future

Keny 44:37

what I mean?

Lou 44:37

Yeah, because it's funny. So like today I was watching this uh on the news. They were showing this guy who when he was younger, he dove into a shallow pool or whatever it was and broke his neck. So he was paralyzed pretty much from the neck down or from the chest down, something like that. So he wasn't able to move his hands or whatever. So they did, they hooked him up, AI put a computer in his brain, so now he can actually, you know, with the AI, it's making that connection to his muscles and stuff to be able to do these things. Right. So now instead of having to have that surgery cutting his head open, plugging shit into his. He might be able to use psilocybin, you guys are saying that this would be revironment and whatnot to be able to, you know, because the brain will find a way. And that's what using it on stroke patients, too. Right. That's what they were saying with this particular brain plug thing that they had.

Tom 45:22

But they say that the aphasia and all that where they can't speak.

Lou 45:25

Right, yeah, right. And all that. And the and people that are deaf, they can't hear, you know, kids, people as that they turn around, they can connect or reconnect the uh them being able to hear. Right. You know, so I mean, yeah, what'd you guys say?

Tom 45:39

That's a fucked up thing that happens to people with strokes, the aphasia. Right. Because to them, they're talking, but it's not. Yeah, to you. There was a guy I used to I used to work in a hospital, you know. I used to work and I had a large long-term care facility. And there was a guy, every time he'd come up to me, go, he would talk and he and and I'd be like, what? He'd be like, and I'd be like, what? He'd be like, dah. He he thought, I mean, even though he I because in here, in here, he can hear what he's saying. Right, he can hear it, right? Some some wires get crossed. So that would make sense. Right. If if it opens up neural pathways, who knows? Maybe that can fix their aphasia. I don't know if there's research.

Keny 46:18

I'm sure there's research being done on that. I listen, I'm just happy that they're actually finding other ways other than creating something like they do with drugs now, and just having people take the same shit over and over again that's really not doing anything, but just kind of getting you through life. Right. Where this will actually help with therapy and physically helping you, you know, get over whatever it is that you had or whatever trauma you may have had on your life. Right, right. Whether it's physical or both physical, you know, people who were abused sexually or uh who had b bad parents when they were growing up, you know, whatever it might have been. You know what I'm saying? So I think it's just I think it's amazing that this stuff is coming to light now and then it's getting more and more popular. A lot of states are adopting it now. I think Jersey was one with the psilocybin. Okay. I think, and I think New York is gonna be another. And I out west I think they're a little bit more ahead of us.

Lou 47:06

Well, they have been because I mean, you know, you look at they were talking back in the day how uh marijuana was gonna be able to help people with seizures and and was helping them, and people had to relocate out west of the stuff.

Tom 47:16

What's crazy too is on Facebook there's all these uh like mushroom growing groups, and like you go into and like you think you're gonna be like, oh, they're growing shiitake mushrooms. It's all they all have blue in them, and if if mushrooms have blue in them, that's that's the psilocybin the book. Understood. Yeah, ooh, yummy. Yeah, right. Yeah, you know, they got the whole thing. Yeah, shit. Because I wanted to grow uh morels, I wanted to, you know, I was like looking at doing that, and then like they're all people just growing psilocybin.

Keny 47:46

And they have chat rooms, they have like they have uh trip chat rooms, and you can go and you can find people that'll have that will help you trip. Right. In other words, they'll be a trip sitter, they'll come and they'll do that.

Lou 47:57

I've heard that shit for years about people doing that stuff.

Keny 47:59

Yeah, just so you know you're in a safe place and you really should do it when you're with somebody. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Yeah, somebody you trust and we'll be right back. And then they kind of guide you and they'll talk to you. And it's not a matter of them saying, it's just having that normal conversation with you and getting you out of that mindset. Just keeping you straight. And keeping you in a more positive mindset. Yeah, that makes sense. Absolutely.

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Lou 48:18

Yeah. Well, excellent.

Tom 48:20

Yeah, that was great.

Lou 48:21

Yeah, but we gotta reiterate: do not do any drugs without going to speak to your doctor, your therapist, you know, psychiatrist. But yeah, don't go and just don't get off. Don't stop any of your medications. We're not disclaimer. We're not in any way doing that.

Keny 48:36

We're just sharing what positive input we're getting now and finding out about these sort of alternatives to therapy. So we found out.

Lou 48:46

Yes, exactly. 100% entertainment purposes, you know, go and talk and ask the questions. And that's not anything and everything. Ask the questions, find out. Right. You know, don't don't just do whatever without making sure that you're gonna be okay on the other end. Exactly. We everybody wants, you know, we need everybody to be okay. Triviate. So with that, thank you all for listening and watching and following and like and hit the button and all that other shit. Subscribe. Yep, all that good shit. Thank you. Love, peace, and hair grease. Live long and prosper. And may the force be with you.

Keny 49:19

Hello.